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nightfighter 11-27-2017 06:56 PM

Pocahontas? So What?
 
Left leaning press crying their liberal tears again, butt hurt by Trump referring to Elizabeth Warren as Pocahontas.... So what???? OK, maybe could have made it more clear in front of the WW2 Navaho Code Talkers. What I got out of it was just reminding us how Warren took advantage of the system by procuring mortgage loans by claiming to be a Native American. Awful woman. Another cheating, lying politician. (most are, both sides of the aisle, IMO) But she is dangerous and needs to be taken down a few notches, sooner than later. Eff her for claiming it a racial slur. She was being called out! Nothing but a DNA blood test is going to prove whether she is, or was just lying..... God I hate that woman.....

spence 11-27-2017 07:09 PM

Really???

nightfighter 11-27-2017 07:17 PM

What is your question?

spence 11-27-2017 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1132447)
What is your question?

Your sanity.

nightfighter 11-27-2017 07:36 PM

Oh it gets better Jeff....To close this "Breaking News" story, the reporters are even more outraged that the ceremony to honor our Native American heroes was done right beneath the portrait of Andrew Jackson! And you know what a bad man he was.... What he did to the Indians and all.... Cripes, don't we ALL have more to do than this death by a thousand cuts?

spence 11-27-2017 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1132449)
Oh it gets better Jeff....To close this "Breaking News" story, the reporters are even more outraged that the ceremony to honor our Native American heroes was done right beneath the portrait of Andrew Jackson! And you know what a bad man he was.... What he did to the Indians and all.... Cripes, don't we ALL have more to do than this death by a thousand cuts?

The Andrew Jackson part was irony, Trump's comments were those of an idiot. Are you not grasping that?

nightfighter 11-27-2017 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1132452)
The Andrew Jackson part was irony, Trump's comments were those of an idiot. Are you not grasping that?

Prone to idiotic statements and timing? Yes. Was not the time. But calling her out and pressuring her for what she is needs being done. Again, he needed to have been more clear. And preferably at another time. But in the big picture, not worthy of the reaction.

PaulS 11-27-2017 08:35 PM

He made it all about himself Instead of honoring some Heroes. Similar to what he did at the CIA event a few days after being elected president. He's not fit to be president of the US.
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Nebe 11-27-2017 08:35 PM

I swear to god I am convinced that all of Trumps antics are scripted. It’s too predictable. Why would this be scripted? To polarize the American people and distract them from the real problems that this country faces.
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spence 11-27-2017 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1132453)
Prone to idiotic statements and timing? Yes. Was not the time. But calling her out and pressuring her for what she is needs being done. Again, he needed to have been more clear. And preferably at another time. But in the big picture, not worthy of the reaction.

Neither you or I would have gone there regardless of our thoughts...that is the bigger issue.

Jim in CT 11-27-2017 09:19 PM

Warren is absolutely disgusting. Everything about her is ugly, she just gets uglier and uglier. It's almost as if she wasn't born to human parents, but as if she was conceived by hypocrisy.

She attacks banks for making money off student loans, but it's OK when she gets rich teaching one class, at a job she got by lying about her heritage.

She makes Hilary look cute and cuddly, she really does. And brother, that's saying something.

Nebe 11-27-2017 09:21 PM

Wouldn’t term and sperm limits be nice? Boot them all out. And family members.
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Jim in CT 11-27-2017 09:27 PM

And I find it sad that Trump couldn't honor these guys without taking a swipe at her. She doesn't deserve to be brought up when talking about these amazing heroes. But that's pure, vintage, classic Trump. I don't like it.

He's also not even a little bit wrong for wanting to attack her, but not in that setting.

wdmso 11-28-2017 05:12 AM

again Trump and his supporters have no respect for the office of President of the United States ..

How dare they say MAGA if this is their vision of what America should look like and whats acceptable behavior of our POTUS .. sorry I wont accept it

Sea Dangles 11-28-2017 06:45 AM

If that comment didn't make you chuckle though....
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scottw 11-28-2017 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132470)

He's also not even a little bit wrong for wanting to attack her, but not in that setting.

I don't know...think about it....what better time to attack a fake indian than when you are surrounded by real indians...the code talkers seemed to really enjoy Trump

scottw 11-28-2017 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1132457)

I swear to god I am convinced that all of Trumps antics are scripted.

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I think he's hired the writers of South Park...

The Dad Fisherman 11-28-2017 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1132479)
If that comment didn't make you chuckle though....
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I thought it was hysterical. Right up there with the tweet about the Short Fat guy in NK. Some times he is comic gold.

zimmy 11-28-2017 07:59 AM

Sad thing is there were probably people who thought it was funny and appropriate. Oh, now wait...

nightfighter 11-28-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1132477)
again Trump and his supporters have no respect for the office of President of the United States ..

How dare they say MAGA if this is their vision of what America should look like and whats acceptable behavior of our POTUS .. sorry I wont accept it

To be clear here, I voted against Hillary. Period. Mission accomplished. So now on to the collateral damage. Similar to the previous two terms, I am praying we can survive the four years without too much more damage being done. I am a right leaning independent contractor who feels the Dems over tax the very core of the economy, small business! The current POTUS makes me cringe. His lack of tact and respect for others is dangerous and embarrassing. But instead of su cking it up, as I did during Obama years, his detractors are contributing to the fracturing of our people! But don't put me in the supporter/minion camp. The lesser of two evils is pretty awful.

Got Stripers 11-28-2017 08:35 AM

What's to say that hasn't already been said before, he just continues to be an embarrassment, who hasn't he disrespected at this point? I'm surprised he didn't follow that inappropriate comment up by stating I think you redskins should kick her off the reservation. He literally has no control of his twisted mind and sick inappropriate sense of humor; if he even considers it humor.

scottw 11-28-2017 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1132486)
I thought it was hysterical. Right up there with the tweet about the Short Fat guy in NK. Some times he is comic gold.

:jester:

you get the comedic benefit...and then the outrage form the left is icing on the cake

PaulS 11-28-2017 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1132491)
:jester:

you get the comedic benefit...and then the outrage form the left is icing on the cake

It is pretty funny listening to him. Makes you wonder what type of people voted for him (evangelicals LOL). I mentioned to my wife last night that I wonder what type of woman Melania was to even sit w/him for 10 min. on the first date w/o getting up and walking away.

After 8 years of your snarky whining this is nothing.

JohnR 11-28-2017 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1132452)
Trump's comments were those of an idiot. Are you not grasping that?

Oh. it is grasped. One idiot flake calling out another idiot fake.

Terrible setting, saying that in front of those people, Code Talkers, men that served with distinction (that many on the left probably likes only because they were victims).

Hilarious yet unsurprising that the media calls Trump out on it rather than years of Chief Sh!tt!ng Bull for lying about it in the first place.

Jim in CT 11-28-2017 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1132479)
If that comment didn't make you chuckle though....
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Of course it did. But I would have advised him, if you want to throw elbows at Warren (and that's a very worthwhile hobby), don't do it at that ceremony, do it later. This is who he is. If my IRA is going to increase 25% for each of the next 3 years (hopefully 8), I can tolerate his putting his being a jerk, especially if his target is a gargoyle like Princess Lie-awatha.

Jim in CT 11-28-2017 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1132477)
How dare they say MAGA if this is their vision of what America should look like and whats acceptable behavior of our POTUS .. sorry I wont accept it

Huh? Who is saying that we should all behave the way Trump does?

You don't have to accept it, because no one is selling it.

Jim in CT 11-28-2017 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1132482)
I don't know...think about it....what better time to attack a fake indian than when you are surrounded by real indians...the code talkers seemed to really enjoy Trump

I hear you, I definitely do. But when holding a ceremony to pay tribute to people who made incredible sacrifices (especially when, in their case, it's not like America had treated them all that great), it might have been more, I don't know...respectful? somber? To keep it just about the heroes they were there to honor.

Believe me, I'm not one to come to her defense...she deserves a whole lot worse than Trump's insults.

Jim in CT 11-28-2017 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1132490)
What's to say that hasn't already been said before, he just continues to be an embarrassment, who hasn't he disrespected at this point? I'm surprised he didn't follow that inappropriate comment up by stating I think you redskins should kick her off the reservation. He literally has no control of his twisted mind and sick inappropriate sense of humor; if he even considers it humor.

"who hasn't he disrespected at this point? "

How's your IRA doing?

"He literally has no control of his twisted mind and sick inappropriate sense of humor"

No, he doesn't.

It's embarrassing, I don't know that it's dangerous. For 8 years, Obama tried making bad people like us by being nicer to them. Did that work? Not really. Obama had some foreign policy success, but it wasn't based on his being friendlier than Bush was.

Jim in CT 11-28-2017 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1132491)
:jester:

you get the comedic benefit...and then the outrage form the left is icing on the cake

That is true, that's exactly what it is. Since election night, there has been immeasurable insanity from the left. To say "he is living rent free in their heads", is the understatement of the century. They literally cannot deal with him. Well, they attacked McCain (and it worked because he wouldn't fight back), they attacked Romney (and it worked because he wouldn't fight back), so once again, how can the liberals be shocked that now they are facing someone who has no issue with putting on his brass knuckles and rolling in the mud with them. And he's better at it than they are. He doesn't let them get under his skin, and everything he does, gets under their skin. He literally cannot lose.

DZ 11-28-2017 09:29 AM

The statement was inappropriate for that occasion. He should have used it at another press opportunity.

Warren has been constantly criticizing Trump - she has a bad case of TDS. Payback is a bitch and unlike most presidents Trump will not waste an opportunity to call her or others out on there lies. All in all it was a real bad day for Warren - she is also about to potentially loose her baby the CFPB.

afterhours 11-28-2017 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1132457)
I swear to god I am convinced that all of Trumps antics are scripted. It’s too predictable. Why would this be scripted? To polarize the American people and distract them from the real problems that this country faces.
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feasible....

Jim in CT 11-28-2017 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1132493)
It is pretty funny listening to him. Makes you wonder what type of people voted for him (evangelicals LOL). I mentioned to my wife last night that I wonder what type of woman Melania was to even sit w/him for 10 min. on the first date w/o getting up and walking away.

After 8 years of your snarky whining this is nothing.

"Makes you wonder what type of people voted for him (evangelicals LOL)."

I'm a devout Catholic, and voting for him was unpleasant, but very easy. If you vote based on Christian beliefs (a big driver of my voting logic), at the national level, it will likely be a long time before a democrat is more attractive to a true Christian, than a Republican. Every cycle, the democratic party gets further and further away from Christian values. Fortunately for democrats, there are fewer and fewer Christians.

I would have preferred a Republican of character. I think the relationship between the liberals and the media, makes it very difficult for a decent, gentle Republican, to stand a chance. Look at what they did to Bush (called him a liar to start his war, called him a racist despite what he has done for Africa), McCain (a racist whose adopted black daughter, liberals said came from an extramarital affair), and Romney (painted as a heartless plutocrat, who was called a sexist because he kept a notebook of resumes of talented women, that makes all kinds of sense). So we went with a guy, maybe the only guy, who could take all that left wing bile, suck it up, and spit it right back in their face, as effortlessly as breathing, without breaking a sweat. It's completely natural for him.

Your side created this. You guaranteed that we would nominate someone like this. Kind of ironic, no?

and you can bet Melania is a gold digger. How many poor, jerky, 80 year-olds do you think she dated?

Got Stripers 11-28-2017 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132502)
"who hasn't he disrespected at this point? "

How's your IRA doing?

"He literally has no control of his twisted mind and sick inappropriate sense of humor"

No, he doesn't.

It's embarrassing, I don't know that it's dangerous. For 8 years, Obama tried making bad people like us by being nicer to them. Did that work? Not really. Obama had some foreign policy success, but it wasn't based on his being friendlier than Bush was.

The stock market is the silver lining for sure, I only wish I wasn’t as conservative as I am, but at almost 65, I don’t dare raise my risk level. Still watching the BS is painful.
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Jim in CT 11-28-2017 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1132508)
The stock market is the silver lining for sure, I only wish I wasn’t as conservative as I am, but at almost 65, I don’t dare raise my risk level. Still watching the BS is painful.
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You are very wise not to risk it. I'm 47 and m risker than I should be, but I got lucky.

I agree with you 100%. It would be nice (and shouldn't be too much to ask) to get the benefits of this presidency, without the downside. But for the last 15 years, the media has been brutal to conservatives, and guys that aren't willing to throw elbows back (McCain and Romney), get painted as evil, racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, deplorables. It shouldn't take a Trump to combat that. But it did.

zimmy 11-28-2017 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132506)
"it will likely be a long time before a democrat is more attractive to a true Christian, than a Republican. Every cycle, the democratic party gets further and further away from Christian values. Fortunately for democrats, there are fewer and fewer Christians.

That is the biggest bs garbage. True Christian? Ha. Democratic party gets away from Christian values and the Republicans don't? You need to re-look into the teachings of Jesus. Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc. Not only do most religious sects distort his teachings, the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways. Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

bart 11-28-2017 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1132511)
That is the biggest bs garbage. True Christian? Ha. Democratic party gets away from Christian values and the Republicans don't? You need to re-look into the teachings of Jesus. Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc. Not only do most religious sects distort his teachings, the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways. Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

:claps:

Jim in CT 11-28-2017 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1132511)
That is the biggest bs garbage. True Christian? Ha. Democratic party gets away from Christian values and the Republicans don't? You need to re-look into the teachings of Jesus. Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc. Not only do most religious sects distort his teachings, the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways. Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

"That is the biggest bs garbage"

Very easy to say. Not so easy to support with logic.

"Democratic party gets away from Christian values "

Hell, yes it does. The motto of the current democratic party is, "if it feels good, do it". You don't think that true Christians are more likely to identify with the Republican party, than the Democrat party?


"Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc"

Yes, Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, emphasize caring for the poor. On that you are 100% correct. However, you seem to assume that liberals/non-Christians care more about the poor than conservatives/Christians. There is zero evidence to support that. In fact, the one definitive study on the subject was called "Who Really Cares", was published in the New York Times (not a conservative publication), and it showed that conservatives give more time and money to charity, than liberals. Here is the study...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...21kristof.html

The Catholic Church isn't dedicated to helping the needy? Tell that to your neighbors who have received subsidized medical care at Catholic hospitals, subsidized education at Catholic schools, lodging at Catholic shelters, food at Catholic soup kitchens, etc... Last time I checked, the Catholic Church gave more money to help the poor, than any other organization except the US government.

"the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways."

What the Democrats claim to be the GOP platform, absolutely is the antithesis of Christianity. But what liberals claim the GOP believes, is very different from what the GOP actually believes.

sanctity of life
the dignity and worth of the individual
individual freedom and responsibility
charity for the poor

The true GOP platform on these issues (as opposed to what MSNBC claims the GOP believes on these issues) is much more in line with Christianity, than the liberal platform. One need only look at the issue of abortion...but there are several other issues that make this clear. After the last few mass shootings, liberals are mercilessly attacking anyone who offers prayer for the families.

The GOP is FAR from perfect on these issues, in particular, the GOP (and Christianity) can be rigid on some social issues. But if you ask whether liberalism or conservatism more closely aligns with true Christian principles? Not even close. Not remotely close. The DNC despises true Christian principles.

"Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus"

100% true. But actually behaving in a way that is consistent with those principles, does make one a Christian. Those principles are far more welcome on the political right, than on the left.

DZ 11-28-2017 12:05 PM

Very well said Jim.

spence 11-28-2017 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132513)
"That is the biggest bs garbage"

Very easy to say. Not so easy to support with logic.

"Democratic party gets away from Christian values "

Hell, yes it does. The motto of the current democratic party is, "if it feels good, do it". You don't think that true Christians are more likely to identify with the Republican party, than the Democrat party?


"Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc"

Yes, Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, emphasize caring for the poor. On that you are 100% correct. However, you seem to assume that liberals/non-Christians care more about the poor than conservatives/Christians. There is zero evidence to support that. In fact, the one definitive study on the subject was called "Who Really Cares", was published in the New York Times (not a conservative publication), and it showed that conservatives give more time and money to charity, than liberals. Here is the study...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...21kristof.html

The Catholic Church isn't dedicated to helping the needy? Tell that to your neighbors who have received subsidized medical care at Catholic hospitals, subsidized education at Catholic schools, lodging at Catholic shelters, food at Catholic soup kitchens, etc... Last time I checked, the Catholic Church gave more money to help the poor, than any other organization except the US government.

"the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways."

What the Democrats claim to be the GOP platform, absolutely is the antithesis of Christianity. But what liberals claim the GOP believes, is very different from what the GOP actually believes.

sanctity of life
the dignity and worth of the individual
individual freedom and responsibility
charity for the poor

The true GOP platform on these issues (as opposed to what MSNBC claims the GOP believes on these issues) is much more in line with Christianity, than the liberal platform. One need only look at the issue of abortion...but there are several other issues that make this clear. After the last few mass shootings, liberals are mercilessly attacking anyone who offers prayer for the families.

The GOP is FAR from perfect on these issues, in particular, the GOP (and Christianity) can be rigid on some social issues. But if you ask whether liberalism or conservatism more closely aligns with true Christian principles? Not even close. Not remotely close. The DNC despises true Christian principles.

"Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus"

100% true. But actually behaving in a way that is consistent with those principles, does make one a Christian. Those principles are far more welcome on the political right, than on the left.

Only the Sith believe in absolutes Jim.

detbuch 11-28-2017 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1132516)
Only the Sith believe in absolutes Jim.

So you're saying that Jim (and Christians and Muslims) and absolute zero are Siths?


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