Samantha Bee?
 

Any fallout?

Trashy statement.

Should the level of anger be the same when the insult is specific to one person as when a racist stereotype that insults a whole race of people is used?

You got a point - but give her credit she did cover all those of a specific sex.

There's a reason she's not in Canada anymore, Ay

The vile statement was specific to Ivanka and can't be applied to all women (unless she said "all woman are c....") while Barr's statement brought up a racist stereotype that people use to demean all blacks.

You're right - but it does manage to offend most women don't you think? I can't remember hearing that word on TV. I mean if Barr would have just called Jarrett a black C would she still have a job?

I def. think all women are offended when they hear the word - even if it is not directed at them. I think she prob. would have lost the job w/the use of the black part. Not sure of the c part.


On 2nd thought, I'll change my answer to the following:

I def. think all women are offended when they hear the word - even if it is not directed at them. I don't know if she would have lost the job w/the use of the black part. If she used the N word, she def. would have lost her job. Not sure of the c part.

I was going to mention her past use of twitter but now that Spence brought it up. Maybe Roseanne was told she was being given a short leash. She is an actress on a prime time show and Bee is on at like 11:00 so maybe they might get treated differently - but I'm just guessing here.

It's vulgar for sure but given how desensitized most of us are these days I think some believe you've got to go there to get any attention. Not quite the same as Barr's history of random racist, bigoted and conspiracy minded rants.

She'll get called out for stepping over the line, but if it draws attention to a legitimate issue (which it does) I don't think she'll lose any sleep. By the way, what's more vulgar, calling someone an offensive name or intentionally taking young children away from their families to make a political point?

You're talking about immigration? Didn't Obama like to brag about having a high number of deportations? And the heat Trump caught this weekend, for photos of immigrants in cages, turns out that happened during the Obama years.

But no, clearly you don't favor one sire over the other, heavens no...

This is a good discussion about our desensitized society - don't want to get sidetracked with politics. We have other threads for that. I'm a about a generation older so I'm just trying to get a handle on these comments and reaction and some perceived double standards about them. I don't watch Bee but from what I understand she also has a track record. I mean if I told a female coworker she was a C I'd probably be fired. BTW Bee has apologized - give her credit. To continue: For instance my generation always had a problem with the N word - society was always told you couldn't use it. But now it has become popular to use it IF you're black and talking about other African Americans. But if you're Caucasian and say it you're racist. These things just puzzle me.

She should have said pussy like Trump!
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Well. Allow myself to help you guys realize that calling someone the C-word is a lot different than making a racist joke at someone’s expense.
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No it’s not, they’re both azzholes.

Just stop.
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I love this, puts things in perspective:

"We’re getting very nuanced defenses of calling a mother a “feckless c*nt” from the people who claimed Mitt Romney was waging a “war on women” because he wanted to hire them for leadership jobs."

The goal line is being moved again
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Looks like the Flying Nun took a swim in the class cesspool.
Either that or she has dimensia.


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I like Samantha Bee a lot, but she is flat wrong to call Ivanka a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

#^&#^&#^&#^&s are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest.
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"Trump Effect"....the left...in their perpetual zeal to condemn all things Trump...continue to expose themselves as beneath even Trump :rude: :doh::claps: the impeachment is going to be great theatre....

Gee whiz John, when you put it that way, it almost makes the left look silly and un-serious.

Romney was a sexist pig because he kept resumes of talented women in a binder. But Samantha bee is a feminist hero. That makes all kinds of sense.
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No brains, no class.
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Tucker Carlson said last night that on election night, the left let out a primal scream that hasn’t stopped yet. In response to trump, they have moved a million miles to the left, and have become even uglier and less rational. Which is what trump wanted.

To say he is living rent-free in their heads, is a huge understatement. And nothing they could do, would strike his ego more. And they’re too stupid to see it.

He’s manipulating them like a puppeteer. he has Nancy pelosi defending MS-13 for Christ’s sake, and the gop has already produced commercials if her defending them against trump calling them animals. That’s not going to win democrats any votes that they don’t already have. Trump is playing them like a Stradivarius.
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As nebe said it's very simple the 2 are not the same


The right has mobilized into what about this one and what about that one ...

He is the GREATEST Con man of all time and it's not just the Dems he's conning.
Where did MS-13 start? Where did it spread to?
He has made the media into "fake" news because they don't say he is the greatest or always agree with him, except for State news (FOX)
It will be a great movie.

Ohhh I dunno. There is plenty of blame to go around to all sides.

MS13 started in LA - what point are you trying to make?

His ability to goad them into humiliating themselves, is unlike anything I have ever seen. A hypnotist could not do it better. He'll have Meryl Streep hosting a telethon for ISIS next week.

Not sure how it will effect a midterm where he's not on the ballot, that remains to be seen. But it's very entertaining.

Truth !
Unless the Left can deliberately tank the economy while the right gets blamed, the re-election isn’t going to be close !!!
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It SHOULDN'T be close given the economy, and given how un-hinged the left has become. But it's very common for a new President's party to lose seats in the next midterm. Then, you can argue that none of the traditional rules apply to this guy.

So who the hell knows?

The GOP should gain seats in the senate, they got very lucky with which seats are up for re-election this time (many democrats are up in states that Trump won bog, they only won 6 years ago because they rode Obama's coattails).

Most people think the Democrats will make big gains in the house, but these are the same people who convinced me that Trump had no chance.

Who knows.

What I do know, is that the Democrats will do everything they can, to avoid talking about the economy. That issue is a big-time loser for them right now.

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Why aren’t they firing no talent Samantha Bee for the horrible language used on her low ratings show? A total double standard but that’s O.K., we are Winning, and will be doing so for a long time to come!

7:15 AM - Jun 1, 2018


Funny he didn't ask for Barrs firing

he's a straight up Mob boss pardons his friends and those who show him support

and attacks every one else he is completely Transparent in theses .. issues


He makes and unmakes laws without the consent of Congress; he spends trillions of government dollars; and the greatest of decisions, whether to commit his country to war or lay down our arms, is made by him alone. His ability to reward friends and punish enemies exceeds anything seen in the past. He is rex quondam, rex futurus – the once and future king.

this comment was not directed towards Trump

it was towards Barack Obama is a king, not a president in 2014 by Fox news

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.03a4268e138b

Show me some facts about the growth of the economy that prove how great it is, it is 2.2% in the first quarter of 2018
Many economists predicted that Trumps populist policies would have an initial effect on the economy, but without real substance in the long term will not produce growth.
Stock market values are not a big factor in the GDP.
Trade wars certainly won't help it and the rest of the world is starting to align themselves financially to succeed without the USA's involvement. In the long term that is the way we will fail, much like the British Empire.
Getting a new customer is 5 times as expensive as keeping one you have, so when american industry loses customers because of a trade war do you think that will help us prosper?
Date GDP Growth (%) President
2017 2.30% trump
2016 1.50% obama
2015 2.90% obama
2014 2.60% obama
2013 1.70% obama
2012 2.20% obama
2011 1.60% obama
2010 2.50% obama
2009 -2.80% obama
2008 -0.30% bush
2007 1.80% bush
2006 2.70% bush
2005 3.30% bush
2004 3.80% bush
2003 2.80% bush
2002 1.80% bush
2001 1.00% bush
2000 4.10% clinton
1999 4.70% clinton
1998 4.50% clinton

"Funny he didn't ask for Barrs firing "

If Barr didn't get fired, there would be no double standard. Given that Barr was fired first, a compelling case can be made that Bee should be fired. They didn't use the same exact language, but I don't see the logic by which attacking someone's race is a fire-able offense, but attacking someone's gender is not. Liberals like to claim that they are the ones who protect women. Why shouldn't that apply to Ivanka Trump? Because she's a republican.

She called Trump's daughter the worst word there is to describe a woman. Given what we know about Trump, he's not going to let that go. Bush would have let it go, not Trump (not Obama either, Obama was also very thin-skinned).

Trump and Obama are alike in a few ways - both thin-skinned babies with zero tolerance for criticism, both added a lot to the debt, both egomaniacs ("let today be the day we remember as the day the waters stopped rising and the planet began to heal", that's paraphrasing, but boy was Obama an egomaniac), who would never admit they were wrong and change course.

Bill Clinton tried liberal economics, it didn't work, so he let Newt Gingrich prepare a budget, Clinton signed it, and it worked amazingly well. Clinton was a scumbag like Trump, but a good president IMHO.

I find myself asking this question more and more frequently..

"Show me some facts about the growth of the economy that prove how great it is, it is 2.2% in the first quarter of 2018"

Unemployment is low.

The stock market is up.

My take home pay went up by $200 a month thanks to tax cuts.

"Stock market values are not a big factor in the GDP"

They are a real factor in how comfortably regular people can live, and if/when they can retire. It helps ALL of us when the market does well. You never check your IRA balance? Doesn't matter to you whether you have $0 or $1 million? It matters to most of us.

"Trade wars certainly won't help "

We've had trade wars for decades...

About 1/2 of the country (i.e. regular people) have zero investment in the stock market, hell they don't even have much in the way retirement savings other than social security.

We haven't really had trade wars either for quite some time, not like what's brewing today.

Yeah, let's pick a fight with Canada and ban German cars while we placate China! Our trade policy is rudderless at the moment.

"About 1/2 of the country (i.e. regular people) have zero investment in the stock market"

So the other half does. And when that half has more money to spend, is that good for the other half, or bad for the other half? You work in finance, you know this, you just can't say anything good when there is a republican in the white house.

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.1 6.5 6.8 7.3
2009 7.8 8.3 8.7 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.8 10.0 9.9 9.9
2010 9.8 9.8 9.9 9.9 9.6 9.4 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.8 9.3
2011 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.0 8.8 8.6 8.5
2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.8 7.7 7.9
2013 8.0 7.7 7.5 7.6 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.2 7.2 7.2 6.9 6.7
2014 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.3 6.3 6.1 6.2 6.2 5.9 5.7 5.8 5.6
2015 5.7 5.5 5.5 5.4 5.5 5.3 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 5.0 5.0
2016 4.9 4.9 5.0 5.0 4.7 4.9 4.9 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.6 4.7
2017 4.8 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.3 4.3 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.1
2018 4.1 4.1 4.1 3.9 3.8
Here is the unemployment data for the last 10 years, how did the rate of change differ from the years prior to Trump to after?
I'd be careful about being brave in the market, it isn't real money till you sell it and turn it into cash.
Your $200 a month might cover the increase in fuel and food costs due to current policies.
Who do you know that makes steel or aluminum?
Who do you know that makes stuff from steel or aluminum?
We stand to lose many more jobs than we could gain.
We are not selling the right to put our name on hotels and resorts and who cares if the place in East BF fails, the whole country depends on what happens.

"how did the rate of change differ from the years prior to Trump to after?"

Oh. So it's not the unemployment itself that matters, all that matters is the "rate of change". Never heard that before. It's harder to decrease unemployment when it's already low, than when it's high, like talking shots off your golf score.

"I'd be careful about being brave in the market, it isn't real money till you sell it and turn it into cash."

Which is why all the best financial advisors tell their clients to put everything in a savings account, right?

"Your $200 a month might cover the increase in fuel and food costs due to current policies"

We bought a camper. Funny, when Obama was POTUS, I kept hearing that the president wasn't responsible for gas prices.

I get it Pete, liberal=good, conservative=bad., no exceptions. Right?

Unemployment has been dropping since 2009 and continued on the same line. I don't see where there was a significant change in data.
Hopefully your advisor is telling you to be conservative at this point. Look at the Dow and the rate of rise preceding each big drop, compare them to the last year. See any similarities?
Trumps middle east policy and actions have nothing to do with fuel prices?
Your not spending $200 a month more in fuel and food?
I don't know what it has to do with liberals and conservatives, since Trumps policies have no clear alignment with anyone other than authoritarians and isolationists. He just keeps gaslighting anyone who will listen. The rest of the world sees it and will just move on without us.

"Unemployment has been dropping since 2009 and continued on the same line. I don't see where there was a significant change in data."

For the second time, it's harder to lower unemployment when it's already low. Think of a golfer. When he starts golfing, he shoots 150 for 18 holes. every month, he takes 1 stroke off his game. I sit just as easy to go from 150 to 149, as it is to go from 75 to 74? No.

"Hopefully your advisor is telling you to be conservative at this point."

I am my financial advisor. I'm glad I wasn't conservative for the last 18 months, boy. I have a very aggressive portfolio, with safeguards to see everything that drops by 20%, that's the most I can lose. Many in the market are a lot more confident than you are. I don't know anyone whose advisor told them to dump stocks and go conservative.

"Look at the Dow and the rate of rise preceding each big drop, compare them to the last year. See any similarities?"

Sure, the market is high, we are due (overdue, maybe) for a recession.

"Trumps middle east policy and actions have nothing to do with fuel prices?"

I literally know almost nothing about what drives oil prices. I know at one point they were very high under Obama, and I bet you didn't criticize him for it.

"Your not spending $200 a month more in fuel and food?"

Again, when Obama was POTUS, I saw a huge gasoline spike, and I didn't have $200 a month more in my pocket to offset it.

" don't know what it has to do with liberals and conservatives"

You are the one making it about liberals or conservatives, you can't say anything good about Trump.

He also just passed a law saying that gravely ill patients can choose to use experimental drugs that aren't formally approved by the FDA yet. Why wasn't that a law 200 years ago? Trump fixed it.

A golfer would have to work very hard to reduce his handicap.
Show me what hard work the Trump administration did?
What does this have to do with Obama?
Because I have nothing good to say about Trump makes me what?
What does it make George Will?
He just signed a law that may help a few terminally ill people. It is not the panacea that some politicians would lead you to believe. Do a little research and you will see it is not so simple. Ask your physician and then ask what they think about the following.
We could save far more people by making sure people can have primary care before things progress to further stages than giving them some hope when they are on their last legs. And for far less money than we currently spend.

'Show me what hard work the Trump administration did?" He is known to work insanely long hours.

" Because I have nothing good to say about Trump makes me what?"

Biased.

"What does it make George Will"

Stupid and short-sighted (and I really liked him)

"He just signed a law that may help a few terminally ill people. It is not the panacea that some politicians would lead you to believe"

Name ONE PERSON who said it's going to be anything like a panacea. Name ONE. It gives people another choice, a bit more hope. Would a speck of honesty, a tiny sliver of a speck, really be too much for this president?

I hated Obama. Hated him. I think he's a rotten person and a rotten president. But he gets good marks from me in regards to beating back the effects of the crash, deportations, killing Bin Laden, etc... I can be honest, give credit where it's due, and still despise him.