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Thou dost protest too much

Truth isn't Truth
I think someone is hearing footsteps following him and getting closer
Almost all the tweets now are proclaiming witch hunt, or Muellers angry Democrats (remember the guy who is saying this, was a democrat in 2001)
But he still has time for golf which he has played 3x as much as Obama
Remember he wouldn't have time for golf he'd be so busy being president unlike Obama who spent all his time playing golf.
So far we have spent $75 million for Trump to play golf in less than 2 years and he spent years complaining about Obama when we spent $114 million total in 8 years, I expect it will be $300 milllion for Trump to play and what percentage of that ends up back in his pocket?

Rudy and Donald are beginning to become prime time entertainment.
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1149224)

another thou who protests too much, is you. i despised obama, i hated his policies and hated his personality. i didn’t wake up every morning and scour the news looking for negative stuff to post, and i gave him credit when it was due.
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Truth isn’t truth.... alternative facts.

What’s next? Crimes are not crimes ?
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1149226)

I got a laugh out of that one. You post more here than anybody else. The hypocrisy out of the right is amazing. Let's discuss whiny college students like you bring up frequently. How many times do you compare his saying one thing to trumps saying the same type of thing hundreds and hundreds of times and feel there's an equivalency
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1149230)

Truth isn’t truth.... alternative facts.

What’s next? Crimes are not crimes ?
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:happy:

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1149232)

I got a laugh out of that one. You post more here than anybody else.
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Pete is in the running and definitely leads in words per post...

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1149234)

Pete is in the running and definitely leads in words per post...

Some of those posts could be published by someone.😊
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US President Donald Trump has said he is worried he might face perjury charges if he gives statements under oath to the investigation into Russia's alleged role in his election victory.

"Perjury is what they're really worried about," he said, and perjury — "a material representation of fact for the purposes of deception"

Giuliani intentionally spinning a narrative where Trump is being victimized.

(saw this in a tweet)
Since 1965

Democrats (25 years in power):
3 indictments
1 conviction
1 prison sentence.

Republicans (28 years in power):
120 indictments
89 convictions
34 prison sentences.

Remind me again how both parties are basically the same? ...

republicans are still more worried about a blow job in the oval office then the Blow Hard currently in the oval office . its amazing to watch them think everyone's after Trump Just Because.... so lets review its not because he beat Hillary or that he is white or he is a republican or a business man .... Its actually based on what he has said... what he himself has done ,,, what his administration has done (captain of the authoritarian ship) the economy alone is not enough to change the topic or out weigh all the negatives HE and I stress HE creates all by himself the fake news and bias matra is falling on deaf ears only the true base still believes in that , hell they still think Obama wasn't born Here ... MAGA who would have guessed what Trumps again looks likes .... dosn't look good to me

This is what you get when you use twitter as a source of "Hard Hitting" journalism :rolleyes:

There were 2 democrats convicted LAST YEAR....

Anthony Weiner (D-NY) was convicted of sending sexually explicit photos of himself to a 15-year-old girl and was made to sign the sexual offenders register. (2017)

Corrine Brown (D-FL) was convicted on 18 felony counts of wire and tax fraud, conspiracy, lying to federal investigators, and other corruption charges. (2017)

Pesky Facts

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1149232)

lately, i bet i don’t start threads more than anyone else. and my threads aren’t all bashing a specific person on the other side, regardless of what you think. i give credit where it’s due paul.
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Truth be told you prob. don't start more threads than others now. And the # of threads someone starts isn't really indacitive of anything.

Looks like the witch hunt has eight more convictions and with that and Cohens remarkable comments which implicates Trump in the illegal campaign contributions, I think the risk of severe tweeter storms is imminent. Shelter in place people it’s going to get rough.
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1149326)

Actually that was 16 convictions just today, and Manafort has to face more charges in a DC court.

All these guys Trump says are good people and have done nothing wrong keep going down? What could be going on?

Yup, I was only counting the eight for pour Paul and I hear now Duncan Hunter and his wife have been indicted, so the list of “good people” that are going down is growing. Who’s betting on another term now? I’m not sure we won’t see a resignation before this term is out, but I’m sure Rudy will give him some grade A legal advice!
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we can probably expect lots of rioting and looting, burning cars and arms locked across lanes of traffic by Trump supporters over this verdict ...right?? :rotflmao:

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we can probably expect lots of rioting and looting, burning cars and arms locked across lanes of traffic by Trump supporters over this verdict ...right?? :rotflmao:

Who cares, the President has just been implicated in a federal crime.

Over his head
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Who cares, the President has just been implicated in a federal crime.

collusion with Russians?

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1149344)

collusion with Russians?

Coming, I’m not looking forward to Pence with glee though
Will come along with bank fraud, tax evasion and more
You do know that conspiracy to commit a felony is a felony
Puts it into the high crimes and misdemeanors arena
I heard that Putin is close to firing Guliani
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1149345)

someone has a chubby :hihi:

And yet even after being convicted on eight counts, DJT claims he has been treated unfairly, it’s a sad testament when our president comes down on the side on a convicted felon. What isn’t surprising is the quality of people he surrounded himself with during the campaign and since, with a revolving door back into the private sector or into jail. Mueller won’t indicate, so Trump will continue to stew over what is coming when the final report is presented to Congress. At that point I’d be betting on a resignation to avoid impeachment.

So it’s back to making America great again, starting with reducing emission limits and getting those coal plants firing up again. No problem with funding the wall, he is going to sh*t enough bricks over the next couple months he can build the wall.
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All tax paying Americans should be happy when people get arrested for tax fraud. A sad day also for all Americans when people close to our President get arrested.

At Pres. Trump's rally last night they were chanting lock her up and swamp the drain:)

here come the pontificators....

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1149352)

here come the pontificators....

Hannity says "open your handbooks...turn to page 246....and repeat after me"

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here come the pontificators....

Pontificate? It is what it is.

Trump has been implicated in the commissioning of a federal crime. His personal attorney has plead guilty to this charge. The odds of this all being made up are not good.

You don't even need to talk about Russian collusion and obstruction of justice any more, that's just icing on the cake. The campaign violations are enough to impeach on their own.

the midterms are going to be fascinating. i have no idea what’s going to happen nationally in the house, and i’m very curious to see what happens at home in CT, which has been trending right a little, and where people are figuring out where we are ( broke) and how we got here (insane spending).

if the gdp numbers for the 3rd quarter are big, will people care more about the economy, or about trumps lack of ethics? who the hell knows with this guy. every prediction of doom thus far, has been laughably wrong. but this feels different.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149357)

It is what it is. you make this up yourself?

You don't even need to talk about Russian collusion and obstruction of justice any more

yup...don't need "russian collusion" anymore

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149357)

Trump has been implicated in the commissioning of a federal crime.

you must be in your glory this morning....

think you're getting a little ahead of yourself though...I'll give you a pass ...you've been so desperate for so long...those long months in Canada

former Bill Clinton advisor/pollster wrote this today in The HILL ...just sayin'...some other interesting perspective in there

"Donald Trump should do a better job of picking aides who pay their taxes — but he’s not responsible for their financial problems and crimes. These investigations, essentially based on an opposition-funded dossier, were never anything other than an attempt to push into a corner as many Trump aides and family members as possible and shake them down until they could get close enough to Trump to try to take him down. That’s why so many of his aides, lawyers, and actions in the campaign and in the White House have undergone hour-by-hour scrutiny to find anything that could be colored into a crime, leaving far behind the original Russia-collusion theory as the fake pretext it was. Paying for nondisclosure agreements for perfectly legal activities is not a crime, not a campaign contribution as commonly understood or ruled upon by the FEC"

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...o-set-up-trump

He’s been on the phone with Rudy and Sean again or watching Faux
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I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” - make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWZjpAgfJg

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He’s been on the phone with Rudy and Sean again or watching Faux

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you REALLY need some new material

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you REALLY need some new material

I expect I'll have a new source before too long, hopefully not a Tweeter

Poor Donnie, he thought he was surrounded by drooling sycophants, but he's finding out they are actually salivating politicians

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWZjpAgfJg

Well if as he suggests and I'm no lawyer, that paying off two women to keep them quiet about a couple extra marital affairs isn't a crime and that were his only campaign blunder, well I'd say that's worth a legal discussion and debate. If it came out that they are two of many payments made over the years to many women, because Donald just isn't getting enough at home, well that's not much different than pulling a Bill Clinton. That's if that is all we were talking about, but as you know, that's just a small piece of a big pie.

I find it hard to believe a lawyer would plead guilty if it isn't a crime and risk 5 years in prison and time away from a young family. But if Cohen is playing "Russian" roulette with his life and putting that in the hands of a judge, maybe that's just another example of Trump hiring stupid people who can't be trusted and can't avoid getting caught.

I would suggest however that when you start adding everything he did to sway this election in his favor, it goes beyond the usual dirty politics. Begging Russia to hack the US on public TV is not only un-American, it too looks like a campaign violation, as he is looking to a foreign power and long time adversary of the US to aid in swaying the election. I won't get into the meeting at Trump tower, or the connections to Russia from multiple members of the campaign, there has been plenty of coverage. Then you have no tax returns and many questions about where the money is coming from and collectively, it IMHO appears to be a big time problem for DJT.

Patterns, intent, complicit behavior, cumulative evidence, it isn't about one man pleading guilty to a "non-crime" as is suggested. You may see a fin on the surface, the tip of an iceberg, neither tells you what lies beneath the surface.

I can't wait for it to be over, but it is like watching survivor; who is getting voted out at the next tribal.

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1149408)

Well if as he suggests and I'm no lawyer, that paying off two women to keep them quiet about a couple extra marital affairs isn't a crime and that were his only campaign blunder, well I'd say that's worth a legal discussion and debate.

No, it's not a crime. I don't like being deceitful to a spouse, or to anyone else, but especially to your wife and family. But that also is not a crime. In my little world I think it is a character flaw, but I don't live in the world of the Kennedys, Clintons, Trumps, high paid Hollywood and media types, billionaires who are openly and often offered sex for money, or for future consideration, or for the thrill of being intimate with the high and mighty. That world seems to have a different opinion on what is moral or of good character. If they deign, at all, to stoop to things as humble as morality.

If it came out that they are two of many payments made over the years to many women, because Donald just isn't getting enough at home, well that's not much different than pulling a Bill Clinton. That's if that is all we were talking about, but as you know, that's just a small piece of a big pie.

It seems that Bill was a bit more forceful, shall we say, in some of his dalliances than the Don. But none of it was deemed important enough to start an FBI and special counsel investigation into Bill's sex life involving confiscation of the files of Bill's lawyer.

And, legally speaking, Trumps hush money is not a piece of the pie at all.

I find it hard to believe a lawyer would plead guilty if it isn't a crime and risk 5 years in prison and time away from a young family. But if Cohen is playing "Russian" roulette with his life and putting that in the hands of a judge, maybe that's just another example of Trump hiring stupid people who can't be trusted and can't avoid getting caught.

Mueller probably has a lot more on Cohen that would stand up in Court. Who knows what kind of arrangement Cohen and Mueller agreed to in sentencing if he would say what he did. Trump has hired some outstanding people. He has hired some duds.

I would suggest however that when you start adding everything he did to sway this election in his favor, it goes beyond the usual dirty politics.

Well, campaigns are, after all, about swaying elections in one's favor. What is it, actually, that Trump has done beyond usual dirty politics? Not what accusations, or suggestions, or rumors, or innuendo's, or interpretations of, has Trump done or said that should recommend impeachment, removal from office, or imprisonment?

Begging Russia to hack the US on public TV is not only un-American, it too looks like a campaign violation, as he is looking to a foreign power and long time adversary of the US to aid in swaying the election.

It never occurred to me that Trump seriously meant that Russia should hack. It was obviously an attempt at some kind of sarcasm which was opportunistically characterized by his opponents as actual treason in order to make him look bad. You know, like usual dirty politics. If Trump wanted to collude with Putin, he would have done so by other means, not by doing it openly before an audience of millions of American people, and certainly not in front of his opponents.

I won't get into the meeting at Trump tower,

I'm still waiting for a definitive explanation of what confirmed collusion or conspiracy took place at that meeting.

or the connections to Russia from multiple members of the campaign, there has been plenty of coverage.

What is meant by "connections to Russia"? What "connections" have been proven to be conspiratorial?

Then you have no tax returns and many questions about where the money is coming from and collectively, it IMHO appears to be a big time problem for DJT.

Many questions that imply vague accusations. There seem to be a lot of that, implied evidence but not actually evidence of wrongdoing, of conspiracy or collusion.

Patterns, intent, complicit behavior, cumulative evidence, it isn't about one man pleading guilty to a "non-crime" as is suggested. You may see a fin on the surface, the tip of an iceberg, neither tells you what lies beneath the surface.

Patterns that could imply a lot of different things, good, bad, or indifferent. Only Trump knows his own intent. Association is not complicity, but it can be insinuated to be so. Not so much cumulative hard evidence, but cumulative suggestions, accusations, presumptions, or vaguely circumstantial evidence. There seems to be a concerted effort to build an iceberg by floating a bunch of tips. So many on the "right" are accused of conspiracy mongering. But, so far, the supposed Trumpian iceberg looks like a conspiracy theory.

I can't wait for it to be over, but it is like watching survivor; who is getting voted out at the next tribal.

Me too. I want it to be over. Trump is accused of not doing his job. That he spends too much time tweeting. Yet he has accomplished a lot. Much of which "Conservatives" and constitutionalists think is very important.

But what is actually unproductive, even un-American, bordering on treason, is the weakening, possibly destroying, the power and prestige of a President who is trying to impose the will of America and the Western world on dictators in North Korea and Iran to either denuclearize or to stop building nuclear capability. And who is trying to create freer trade relations with other countries. And who is trying to persuade nations like Russia and China to have productive relations with us rather than adversarial ones. Why listen to or bargain with someone who is being destroyed by his own country?

If Mueller knows for a fact that Trump has actually committed treason, then there is no need for the slow bleed of investigating and convicting others around him in order to try to FIND OUT if Trump has committed a crime. If there is no evidence, I mean EVIDENCE, that Trump has, there is no honest reason to look for a crime that is not known to exist.

If it does, and he is guilty, get it done NOW. Otherwise it looks like a political hit job, or worse. And it is damaging an opportunity to create a better, more productive foreign policy than we have had for several years.

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Said the salivating #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1149436)

If Mueller knows for a fact that Trump has actually committed treason, then there is no need for the slow bleed of investigating and convicting others around him in order to try to FIND OUT if Trump has committed a crime. If there is no evidence, I mean EVIDENCE, that Trump has, there is no honest reason to look for a crime that is not known to exist.

If it does, and he is guilty, get it done NOW. Otherwise it looks like a political hit job, or worse. And it is damaging an opportunity to create a better, more productive foreign policy than we have had for several years.

exactly....

and recall...

we learned in 2017 about the sexual harassment settlements paid by Congress using a slush fund from taxpayer dollars, the leaders in the House of Representatives of both political parties are implicated by the $17 million in payments over a period of 20 years and at least 268 settlements.