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Jim in CT 10-20-2018 07:03 PM

Is Trump going to run for re-election?
 
i say no, that Pence runs with Nikki Haley.

The Dad Fisherman 10-20-2018 08:47 PM

I say yes, because he's a narcissistic #^&#^&#^&#^&
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scottw 10-21-2018 07:09 AM

I just want to see how the left reacts if the repubs keep the house and senate and trump wins reelection

Raider Ronnie 10-21-2018 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1153590)
I just want to see how the left reacts if the repubs keep the house and senate and trump wins reelection



Not If, When 👍
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wdmso 10-21-2018 08:24 AM

why not he has nothing to lose.. and who on the right will challenge him any way for the nomination?

Jim in CT 10-21-2018 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1153590)
I just want to see how the left reacts if the repubs keep the house and senate and trump wins reelection

They'll go bonkers of they don't take the house. They've gone all-in on this kind of mob-like campaign strategy, they literally have nothing left, if it doesn't work, the snowflakes will implode, and by that, I mean completely implode.

Jim in CT 10-21-2018 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1153592)
why not he has nothing to lose.. and who on the right will challenge him any way for the nomination?

No one will challenge him if he runs again, and they'd have no reason to, he'd delivering on most of promises. The democrats primary challenged Jimmy Carter, because the country was falling apart. That's not happening now. Check your pay-stub and your pension investment returns.

Got Stripers 10-21-2018 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1153601)
No one will challenge him if he runs again, and they'd have no reason to, he'd delivering on most of promises. The democrats primary challenged Jimmy Carter, because the country was falling apart. That's not happening now. Check your pay-stub and your pension investment returns.

Well I’m retired so no pay stub to check, but I’m thankful I’m not to invested in the market, but even so I’m down 3% in one year. Not as rosey as you pint it.

Got one other word of caution for you “trillion” plus deficit.
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Nebe 10-21-2018 03:40 PM

I love the announcement today that the Trump regime is going to release a mid income tax cut right before mid term elections in early November. It’s like throwing crumbs to the peasants.
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scottw 10-21-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1153604)
I love the announcement today that the Trump regime is going to release a mid income tax cut right before mid term elections in early November. It’s like throwing crumbs to the peasants.
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except the peasants worked to earn their crumbs....the government is just taking fewer crumbs from the peasants who earned them...see how that works?..plus...it's better than an Obamaphone :jester:

Jim in CT 10-21-2018 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1153602)
Well I’m retired so no pay stub to check, but I’m thankful I’m not to invested in the market, but even so I’m down 3% in one year. Not as rosey as you pint it.

Got one other word of caution for you “trillion” plus deficit.
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well my whole ira is in the stock market and i love trump for it. true about the debt. he is judged by his whole term, not one year. the market is up nicely since january 2107.
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Jim in CT 10-21-2018 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1153604)
I love the announcement today that the Trump regime is going to release a mid income tax cut right before mid term elections in early November. It’s like throwing crumbs to the peasants.
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and obama did what, exactly, that helped us more? those crumbs were $200 a month to me. that’s not crumbs. maybe to you, not to this peasant. if you’re so offended by it, can we assume you aren’t keeping your extra take home pay you got from the first gop tax cut?
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Nebe 10-21-2018 09:47 PM

It’s the irony of the timing.
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scottw 10-22-2018 04:08 AM

yeah, like the Kavanaugh accuser(s), the latest caravan from the south, happens all the time in politics, the "ironic timing" thing....at least this is a pleasant surprise:hihi:

wdmso 10-22-2018 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1153608)
and obama did what, exactly, that helped us more? those crumbs were $200 a month to me. that’s not crumbs. maybe to you, not to this peasant. if you’re so offended by it, can we assume you aren’t keeping your extra take home pay you got from the first gop tax cut?
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If I thought for a second Trump was the only reason for my retirement plan rise 1 I would be a fool. 2nd It was already going up 0n 9\30 \15 had 106 k 10\22\18 I have 136k my contributions have never changed the only time i have lost money was last month .. So on paper Trump has changed nothing .. As for 200 buck a month From his Tax cut I know I am not seeing that ..

I have much higher expectations from any POTUS.. then what my retirement balance looks like..

scottw 10-22-2018 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1153616)

So on paper Trump has changed nothing .. As for 200 buck a month From his Tax cut I know I am not seeing that ..

.

at least your Obamaphone still works :humpty:

Jim in CT 10-22-2018 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1153616)
If I thought for a second Trump was the only reason for my retirement plan rise 1 I would be a fool. 2nd It was already going up 0n 9\30 \15 had 106 k 10\22\18 I have 136k my contributions have never changed the only time i have lost money was last month .. So on paper Trump has changed nothing .. As for 200 buck a month From his Tax cut I know I am not seeing that ..

I have much higher expectations from any POTUS.. then what my retirement balance looks like..

congratulations, you’ve made the most economically illiterate post in the history of the internet.

trump changed nothing? the tax cuts, the elimination of regulations, amount to ‘nothing’? Apple saying they are adding 20,000 new jobs is nothing?
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The Dad Fisherman 10-22-2018 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1153622)
congratulations, you’ve made the most economically illiterate post in the history of the internet.

trump changed nothing? the tax cuts, the elimination of regulations, amount to ‘nothing’? Apple saying they are adding 20,000 new jobs is nothing?
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Nothing to see here

The Dad Fisherman 10-22-2018 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1153614)
It’s the irony of the timing.
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Well, sometimes timing backfires

Nebe 10-22-2018 07:41 AM

Why don’t you focus your anger on the possibility of the gop screwing with your SoCal security or Medicare.... seems like that will effect you more than focusing on warrens ancestry
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The Dad Fisherman 10-22-2018 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1153627)
Why don’t you focus your anger on the possibility of the gop screwing with your SoCal security or Medicare.... seems like that will effect you more than focusing on warrens ancestry
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Anger??? What anger, I find the whole thing hysterical.

Although it does look like that triggered "someone" :hihi:

and you brought up the irony of Timing, she pulled this stunt to make Trump look bad, and it back fired on her. She is now a punch line.

Slipknot 10-22-2018 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1153614)
It’s the irony of the timing.
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I wouldn't say irony
more strategic than ironic

letting the people who can use the tax cut most know about the plan ahead of the mid-term elections is smart if congress is to be able to pass it, so as long as the Right controls, it should pass. I'm not sure why even Democrats would not want tax cuts but everyone makes choices.

Pete F. 10-22-2018 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1153626)
Well, sometimes timing backfires

Some people are told stories in their childhood that are believed to be true, others are taught to lie.

It seems the Trump family has been lying about their ancestry for a couple of generations. Donald Trump himself claimed in his book Trump: The Art of the Deal from 1987 that his father came to America as a boy, having emigrated from Sweden.

But it's not true. At least not according to the biographies The Trumps: Three Generations That Built An Empire by Gwenda Blair, and The lost tycoon by Henry Hurt.


In their research into the Trump family, both author's have come to the conclusion that the Swedish origins was just a story invented by Trump's father. During the middle of the 19th century, Trump's true descent - German - was simply bad for business.

“In the 1940s, people, especially in the real estate industry in New York, didn't want to hear that somebody was German — so let's get rid of that. Let's be Swedish,” Gwenda Blair said in an inteview with Inside Edition.

According to the New York Times, Donald Trump even asked his father why he had to keep the lie going at the time of writing Trump: the Art of the Deal.


Henry Hurt writes that the reason for continuing the story was to not upset the Jewish tenants of Trump real estate, reports Aftonbladet.

The true story is that Trump's grandparents on his father's side came to America from the German town of Kallstadt in 1905. On his mother's side, Trump's ancestry is Scottish.

"I don't believe there's any Swedish ancestry whatsoever," biographer Gwenda Blair said.

scottw 10-22-2018 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1153627)
Why don’t you focus your anger
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who is angry? we're all laughing :hihi:

scottw 10-22-2018 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1153630)

"I don't believe there's any Swedish ancestry whatsoever," biographer Gwenda Blair said.

who cares?

The Dad Fisherman 10-22-2018 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1153630)
Some people are told stories in their childhood that are believed to be true, others are taught to lie.

It seems the Trump family has been lying about their ancestry for a couple of generations. Donald Trump himself claimed in his book Trump: The Art of the Deal from 1987 that his father came to America as a boy, having emigrated from Sweden.

But it's not true. At least not according to the biographies The Trumps: Three Generations That Built An Empire by Gwenda Blair, and The lost tycoon by Henry Hurt.


In their research into the Trump family, both author's have come to the conclusion that the Swedish origins was just a story invented by Trump's father. During the middle of the 19th century, Trump's true descent - German - was simply bad for business.

“In the 1940s, people, especially in the real estate industry in New York, didn't want to hear that somebody was German — so let's get rid of that. Let's be Swedish,” Gwenda Blair said in an inteview with Inside Edition.

According to the New York Times, Donald Trump even asked his father why he had to keep the lie going at the time of writing Trump: the Art of the Deal.


Henry Hurt writes that the reason for continuing the story was to not upset the Jewish tenants of Trump real estate, reports Aftonbladet.

The true story is that Trump's grandparents on his father's side came to America from the German town of Kallstadt in 1905. On his mother's side, Trump's ancestry is Scottish.

"I don't believe there's any Swedish ancestry whatsoever," biographer Gwenda Blair said.



So if Trump did a DNA test and it came back 1/1024th Swedish you'd be OK with his claims then?

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

scottw 10-22-2018 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1153633)

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

ironic timing...

Pete F. 10-22-2018 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1153633)
So if Trump did a DNA test and it came back 1/1024th Swedish you'd be OK with his claims then?

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

I care more about his total indifference to truth than what his genetic heritage is.

Doesn't fit whataboutism definition, it's a reflection not a deflection.
Trump is the person who politicized the Pocahontas line

He too claimed a heritage that at best was suspect, but that likely he was taught to lie about.

Jim in CT 10-22-2018 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1153604)
I love the announcement today that the Trump regime is going to release a mid income tax cut right before mid term elections in early November. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

How about the timing of 10,000 immigrants marching towards the border just before the elections? That's a coincidence? Or are 10,000 poor people being used as pawns?

scottw 10-22-2018 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1153637)
How about the timing of 10,000 immigrants marching towards the border just before the elections? That's a coincidence? Or are 10,000 poor people being used as pawns?


they're trying to get here in time to vote for democrats

Pete F. 10-22-2018 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1153638)
they're trying to get here in time to vote for democrats

Hopefully that statement is not based on your understanding of who has the right to vote, or is that state tv's message?

Jim in CT 10-22-2018 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1153638)
they're trying to get here in time to vote for democrats

Scott, when I look at this party at the national level, and what I see here in CT...it's stupefying. Not only is it no longer the party of JFK, it's no longer even the party of Bill Clinton. I voted for Bill Clinton, and give him high marks on policy, low marks on his personal morals (sounds like Trump, doesn't it). Today, that party is unrecognizable as it marches further and further to the left. It wasn't that long ago, when it wasn't controversial to say "if you are a man, you should probably use the men's bathroom". Today, the democrats say I'm Archie Bunker for saying that.

wdmso 10-22-2018 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1153622)
congratulations, you’ve made the most economically illiterate post in the history of the internet.

trump changed nothing? the tax cuts, the elimination of regulations, amount to ‘nothing’? Apple saying they are adding 20,000 new jobs is nothing?
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Trump has changed nothing for me he hasn't improved my life or my future or my children's..

when is apple going to create these jobs you throw out regularly??

this line fits you 100% "This story has been catnip for conservative fans of the GOP tax bill. "

you are following Trumps laser pointer over the caravan of people conservatives gotta have themselves a Bogeyman

Whats your take on this ?? US deficit rises 17% driven in large part by a sharp decline in corporate tax revenues after the Trump tax cuts took effect. how this fit in to you economically bias brain

Got Stripers 10-22-2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1153640)
Scott, when I look at this party at the national level, and what I see here in CT...it's stupefying. Not only is it no longer the party of JFK, it's no longer even the party of Bill Clinton. I voted for Bill Clinton, and give him high marks on policy, low marks on his personal morals (sounds like Trump, doesn't it). Today, that party is unrecognizable as it marches further and further to the left. It wasn't that long ago, when it wasn't controversial to say "if you are a man, you should probably use the men's bathroom". Today, the democrats say I'm Archie Bunker for saying that.

Bill may have had some of the same issues we see many of the powerful men getting caught in, but he handed Bush Jr a balanced budget with a 236 billion surplus.

Bush Jr gave the rich a huge tax cut and launched wars handing Obama a 1.3 trillion annual budget.

Obama cut the annual Bush deficit down to 587 billion, which in light of the cards he was dealt was amazing. Now Trumps huge tax cuts for the rich just raised the 2019 deficit to 1 trillion.

What are the future generations going to be handed? The budget is a major issue in my mind, far more important, than making a campaign about stopping a couple thousand desperate soles fleeing the nightmare they used to call home.

I will wager a bet that the majority of those heading north would be harder workers than those lazy public workers I seeing texting or sipping coffee in their town DPW trucks. Those are also probably the very same class of people Trump hires to change the sheets and clean the toilets in the family hotels.
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Sea Dangles 10-22-2018 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1153645)
Bill may have had some of the same issues we see many of the powerful men getting caught in, but he handed Bush Jr a balanced budget with a 236 billion surplus.

Bush Jr gave the rich a huge tax cut and launched wars handing Obama a 1.3 trillion annual budget.

Obama cut the annual Bush deficit down to 587 billion, which in light of the cards he was dealt was amazing. Now Trumps huge tax cuts for the rich just raised the 2019 deficit to 1 trillion.

What are the future generations going to be handed? The budget is a major issue in my mind, far more important, than making a campaign about stopping a couple thousand desperate soles fleeing the nightmare they used to call home.

I will wager a bet that the majority of those heading north would be harder workers than those lazy public workers I seeing texting or sipping coffee in their town DPW trucks. Those are also probably the very same class of people Trump hires to change the sheets and clean the toilets in the family hotels.
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Thanks for providing the DPW stereotype line. Are you anti coffee or union?
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Got Stripers 10-22-2018 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1153649)
Thanks for providing the DPW stereotype line. Are you anti coffee or union?
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No line I see it every day and have a friend who got into sh*t every day for wanting to put in a full day’s work after going to work for my towns DPW dept, while the long time employees just wanted to get thru the day doing the least they could get away with.

I’m against lazy slackers just getting thru the day, taking no pride in doing a good job and working hard and I’m sure you know it’s not limited to any town DPW dept. I’ve also had to rely on union workers working at their own pace, dragging a two day job into a week’s grind.
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Jim in CT 10-22-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1153645)
Bill may have had some of the same issues we see many of the powerful men getting caught in, but he handed Bush Jr a balanced budget with a 236 billion surplus.

Bush Jr gave the rich a huge tax cut and launched wars handing Obama a 1.3 trillion annual budget.

Obama cut the annual Bush deficit down to 587 billion, which in light of the cards he was dealt was amazing. Now Trumps huge tax cuts for the rich just raised the 2019 deficit to 1 trillion.

What are the future generations going to be handed? The budget is a major issue in my mind, far more important, than making a campaign about stopping a couple thousand desperate soles fleeing the nightmare they used to call home.

I will wager a bet that the majority of those heading north would be harder workers than those lazy public workers I seeing texting or sipping coffee in their town DPW trucks. Those are also probably the very same class of people Trump hires to change the sheets and clean the toilets in the family hotels.
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"Bill may have had some of the same issues we see many of the powerful men getting caught in, but he handed Bush Jr a balanced budget with a 236 billion surplus."

This is why I said I liked Clinton, and I think he was a good POTUS. But with Clinton, as with Trump, I care more bout results than I do about whether or not I'd want the POTUS to date my mother.

"Bush Jr gave the rich a huge tax cut and launched wars"

He gave everyone who pays taxes, a tax cut. And last time I checked, the Senate (including Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Biden, etc) voted for the Iraq War. Bush didn't do it unilaterally. He owns it more than anyone else. But Hilary was very much in favor of the Iraq War.
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And Bush didn't launch the Afghanistan War, Afghanistan did when it helped Al Queda murder 3,0000 Americans, maybe you heard about it.

"Obama cut the annual Bush deficit down to 587 billion"

I love cherry-picking. Obama also had deficits north of 1 trillion. Are presidents only judged by their lowest annual deficit? Is that how it works? The other 7 Obama deficits don't matter?

Can't we show a little bipartisan honesty? Bush spent a ton of money in response to 09/11. Obama spent 750 billion on a stimulus package that did nothing for anybody, it was a flop. That's not all that Obama did, he helped us recover from the recession, got unemployment down and the market up. But he spent like crazy. Like crazy. He did some good things, but he added a ton to the debt, and some of it was his discretion.

As to the hand he was dealt, dealt by whom? Did Bush cause the subprime mortgage crisis, all by himself?

Bush also launched a very expensive AIDS initiative, which is credited with saving the lives of over one million Africans. Read that again, a million lives. And no one knows about it, because the media hated him. He did more for the continent of Africa than any human being who has ever lived. And no one knows. It was called the Emergency Plan For Aids Relief In Africa. Very, very few people have done more good on this Earth.

Jim in CT 10-22-2018 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1153642)
Trump has changed nothing for me he hasn't improved my life or my future or my children's..

when is apple going to create these jobs you throw out regularly??

this line fits you 100% "This story has been catnip for conservative fans of the GOP tax bill. "

you are following Trumps laser pointer over the caravan of people conservatives gotta have themselves a Bogeyman

Whats your take on this ?? US deficit rises 17% driven in large part by a sharp decline in corporate tax revenues after the Trump tax cuts took effect. how this fit in to you economically bias brain

"Trump has changed nothing for me"

Unemployment is down, GDP is up, the stock market is up. At an absolute minimum, that means more tax dollars which pay your salary (well deserved salary by the way) and funds your benefits. Yes it does help you. Your pensions also has some exposure to the stock market, Trump is helping that grow, he is helping fund your pension.

"when is apple going to create these jobs you throw out regularly?"

Beats me. Were they lying to make Trump look good? You think Apple does that? They also paid a one-time tax bill of $38 billion, to bring back $250 billion. That's $38 billion the feds will have to help people. It's not me who throws that fact out there, Apple is doing it. I'm truly sorry if Apple's actions don't serve your political narrative, but when your agenda cannot hold up to good economic news, perhaps you need a new agenda.

"this line fits you 100% "This story has been catnip for conservative fans of the GOP tax bill. "

So Apple paying $38 billion in taxes, and adding 20,000 new jobs, is just "catnip"? It's not actually significant? Fascinating.

"Whats your take on this ?? US deficit rises 17% " My take is the same as it was when Obama added gazillions to the debt, that it's bad. I bet you didn't complain when Obama added trillions to the debt. But there is plenty of conservative hypocrisy on this issue, but not from me.

spence 10-23-2018 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1153640)
It wasn't that long ago, when it wasn't controversial to say "if you are a man, you should probably use the men's bathroom". Today, the democrats say I'm Archie Bunker for saying that.

Because as a society we've evolved...Trump looks like he wants to reverse that. It's sad.

Jim in CT 10-23-2018 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1153701)
Because as a society we've evolved...Trump looks like he wants to reverse that. It's sad.

That's one way of saying it. Another way, is saying that we (and I'm proud to not be included in that particular 'we') are getting too stupid and amoral to survive. Can't have chocolate milk in elementary school, or straws, but condoms are OK. Hooray!!


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