Promises made.......
 

The president promised you wouldn't pay for the wall, Now he's decided to bring government to a halt because he couldn't keep that promise. Is that fair?

He’s a con and a fraud. If he hadn’t won the genetic gene pool lottery he’s be selling used cars in Trenton NJ
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It's an obvious, explicit broken promise. He deserves criticism for that. Do you give him any praise for the promises he has kept? Or do you only care about his failures? Does he have any successes, or are 100% of the good things that have happened since 2016, solely attributable to Obama?

How did all those buildings get built in Manhattan? Are they all a mirage?

where do the democrats find pukes like pelosi and schumer anyway?

Pelosi will look as impressive as Margaret Thatcher once that imbecile socialist from Queens arrives. She’s...whew. i don’t think she gets invited to too many MENSA picnics. She’ll make that Miss South Carolina candidate from a few years ago, look sharp. It’s all free! Everything can be free!
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oh no...I love her!...she's fun...the other day she said she was going to plant Cheerios and grow doughnuts to feed the poor :jester:

His inheritance. His dad started the trump empire.
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I saw obama taking credit for the trump property portfolio recently

Just remember it's far easier to be a brilliant conservative freshman representative.
All one has to do is say no to almost everything, except a wall, police or military spending and currently deficits and tariffs, then you'd be a shining conservative star. Why they'd probably make them Speaker of the House.

he inherited the buildings?

obviously he was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth. but he has made a living in construction in NYC, meaning he has navigated around regulations, politicians, unions, and the mob. his book, which i never read, was a big best seller. for some godforsaken reason his tv show was popular.

he has a lot of employees who get paid every two weeks. he’s doing some big things right. obviously he didn’t start from scratch like many people do. but he hasn’t just sat back and spent the interest in his trust fund either.

he’s not as impressive as he thinks he is ( neither was obama). He’s not the complete fraud you think he is, either.
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1157274]he inherited the buildings?

obviously he was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth. but he has made a living in construction in NYC, meaning he has navigated around regulations, politicians, unions, and the mob. his book, which i never read, was a big best seller. for some godforsaken reason his tv show was popular.

he has a lot of employees who get paid every two weeks. he’s doing some big things right. obviously he didn’t start from scratch like many people do. but he hasn’t just sat back and spent the interest in his trust fund either.

he’s not as impressive as he thinks he is ( neither was obama). He’s not the complete fraud you think he is, either.


Trump should have sat back. He would have made more money. How many bankruptcies has he gone through ? 6?

[QUOTE=Nebe;1157277]Persistence paid off.

[QUOTE=detbuch;1157280]That’s what made him #1
Individual, that is
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[QUOTE=Nebe;1157277]bankruptcy protection is there for a reason. if we don’t want people to use it, we can do away with it.

you tell me how obamas resume prior to 2008, was anywhere near as accomplished as Trumps. A CEO versus a community organizer with one partial term as a us senator, during which time he did exactly nothing except write his memoirs. you’re not gonna win that one.
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It wasn’t a broken promise it was a bald faced lie.
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That and his father’s connections. With the money he inherited it was nearly foolproof and even then he managed to break almost everything.
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They made Trump and Pence look like fools today.
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Individual 1does not own most of the buildings with his name on them. Some of them his organization manages. He always had a good Reputation as far as managing the properties. With some of the properties he has absolutely nothing to do with them.
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and get elected President of the United States :hihi:

no argument there

Yesterday’s meeting open to the public was a perfect example of Trumps inability to talk about anything but the GD border wall, as if that is the biggest problem we are facing. Showed me why he scares me with his hands on the nuclear codes, when he throws a hissy fit over someone pointing out the fact he keeps threatening a shutdown in order to get his wall. Like chuck took a lollipop from a toddler and Trump being Trump took the bait and whined like a baby.
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It a lie, only if he knew when he said it, that he wasn't going to pursue it. How might you know that?

And what was it (a broken promise or a lie), when Obama campaigned in 2008 about immigration reform ion his first term, and didn't deliver? Wait! Lemme guess!! It was George Bush's fault?

BUT OBAMA....
BUT OBAMA!!!!!!

You should like a child.
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I just read that he's not smart enough to actually punch in the nuclear codes so I think you are safe

Certainly not if it requires reading an owners manual first, but maybe after two years he has gotten by the intro and into the meat.

The code is simply to type in your worst flaw. Since Trump is in capable of pointing out any of his flaws he would never be able to solve the code
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Nebe, can you tell me why it's not pertinent for me to ask Spence why he calls it a "lie" when Trump fails to meet promises, when he would never, under any circumstance hold Obama to the same standard?

Nebe, it's very easy to lob baseless insults. It's a lot harder to respond to what I'm actually saying, and to show me why I'm wrong. I know that's harder, because you never do it.

The libs refused to criticize Obama for these things, they attack Trump mercilessly for doing some of the same things. And if you point put the naked hypocrisy, you are guilty of whataboutism. So to you Nebe, being a hypocrite isn't a character flaw, but pointing out hypocrisy, is a character flaw. That just makes all kinds of sense.

No, he had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years. That was disappointing. Then congress flipped and it was basically off the table. Obama was far from perfect. There are many things he did I disagree with. I wish at times things were done in a more bi-partisan way, but with Mitch McConnells sole goal to make him a one-term president, not much was going to get done.

There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie.

Trump lies, daily. He lies about the wall. He lies about the funding for the wall. He lies about improvements in the wall, which was basically the same process the last two administrations have done. He lies about 10 terrorists, he lies about Saudi Arabia.

See the difference?

"(Obama) had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years."

Agreed. He could have kept his promise, and chose not to.

"There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie."

Also true. It appears you're saying Obama didn't lie about immigration reform, he just chose not to do it. How is that different from Trumps campaign promise about the wall, exactly? It would appear Trump could have done it if he wanted, his party controlled congress, but he chose not to pursue it. To me, it looks exactly like Obama and immigration reform. Both men made promises, both had party control of both chambers of Congress, both seem to have chosen to ignore the promise.

"Trump lies, daily"

He lies a lot, yes. I don't know, and I don't see how you or Spence could know, if hos promise to build a wall was a lie, or a broken campaign promise, which you admit Obama is also guilty of.

"See the difference?"

I see differences in the two men, absolutely. In terms of how Obama handled immigration reform, and how Trump handled construction of the wall? Many more similarities.

Did Obama take responsibility for not doing immigration reform when he had a democrat congress?

Here's a video where Obama was pressed on it. What did he do? he blamed REPUBLICANS. He had control of the house and for a time, a filibuster - proof majority in the Senate! But it's the Republican's fault, not Obama's. In this video, Obama blames everyone but himself, and lies about why it didn't happen. That doesn't remind you of Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfcCk-p54k

OMG, when you started listing his lies, I was thinking; I don't have time to read all of them I have work to do. He lied about China buying soybeans again to appease the media and farmers, he and Pompeo lie when they say there is no conclusive evidence the Saudi leader ordered the killing, he and his lap dogs lie to make their claims work in Trumps head and to the state news at Fox. Although I have to give congrats to Fox actually asking Pompeo the hard questions about MBS and his involvement.

You can keep your doctor that's republicans favorite Obama lie

Yet millions never lost their doctors true some did .... but now they play verbal gymnastics, when it comes to Trump lies they even have changed the definition of lie

He has no equal in the lies department.. he is the undisputed champion

Alternative facts man... ALTERNATIVE FACKTZ!!!!
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And if Obama said "most of you can keep your doctor or your plan", that would be the end o fit. Obamacare was sold as a plan where we could keep our doctor, and where the average family would save $2500 a year. But it's wrong (and probably racist) for conservatives to bring that up.

We're playing "verbal gymnasitics" when we claim that Obamacare fell short. Incredible.

liberal=good, conservative=bad, always, zero exceptions.

It a lie, only if he knew when he said it

falling short is just that falling short a lie is as you said ^^^ above

So it's easy is Trump a liar or not it's not hard based on actual things he has said and fact checked

However Trump and the Republicans have done an outstanding job attacking facts and the enemy of the people the press . Or any information that shows the in a negtive light funny way to .MAGA

Again with the BUT OBAMA!!!!

So juvenile.
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In which pointing out naked hypocrisy, is juvenile.

I'm just hoping for some consistency, that's all.

Imagine you have 2 kids. You point out something one kid did wrong and he says while pointing at his sibling. “ but he did it too!!!”

That is juvenile.
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"falling short is just that falling short a lie is as you said ^^^ above "

Agreed, I don't think I said Obama lied. He was very, very wrong about what he said the impacts of Obamacare would be. He was also very, very wrong about the benefits of his stimulus (he said it would keep unemployment below 8%, instead it went over 10%).

I don't think he intentionally lied. I just think he's wrong a lot.

"So it's easy is Trump a liar or not it's not "

You/re right, it's easy. Yes, Trump is a liar. That doesn't mean he lied about the wall, unless you are saying that Trump is incapable of telling the truth. Trump doesn't lie every time he moves his mouth. We don't know if he actually thought he could get Mexico to pay for the wall. How could you possibly know, that he didn't actually believe it when he said it?


"However Trump and the Republicans have done an outstanding job attacking facts "

I can easily go tit for tat with you, telling you all the times that liberals explicitly lied for political gain. And if honesty was so important, why did your side nominate someone who said she came under sniper fire in Bosnia or wherever?

"enemy of the people the press "

If the press is deliberately slanting reporting to serve a political agenda, I agree with Trump. They aren't a lethal, mortal enemy like ISIS, but they are an enemy. Capable of doing massive damage. The press, in my opinion, has betrayed the trust we give them, betrayed the constitutional protections they enjoy. And not just the liberal press, some at Fox are just as guilty. Almost none are honest.

"Or any information that shows the in a negtive light "

Not me. I can easily admit when he's being an azz.

Sorry for being guilty of whaboutism again, but I posted video of Obama blaming Republicans for preventing him from doing immigration reform, when democrats controlled both chambers of Congress. But you are OK with that, because you don't like Republicans. It only bothers you when Republicans do the same thing.

No. Your analogy is flawed, like almost everything you post.

If I choose not to punish one kid for hitting his brother, but I punish the other kid for hitting his brother back, then I'm guilty of hypocrisy and I deserve to be criticized for it.

I am not pointing to Obama to excuse Trump's behavior, I cannot possibly fathom how you could think that. I point to it, because you and your fellow liberal ilk said nothing when Obama did some of these same exact things, but you go berserk when Trump does it.

Let me go very slow for you. I am not pointing to Obama, to excuse Trump's behavior. I point to Obama, to show clearly that your side gave him a pass for doing some of the same exact things, for which you attack Trump. Is that going too fast for you?

It's not me being juvenile. It's you not following a point that my 12 year-old would get.