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Pete F. 01-17-2019 11:34 AM

How long will Trump keep government shutdown
 
Are the Republicans getting fed up with Trump and the Trumplicans.
Between his hardline on the wall that only excites his base, the shutdowns effect on people and the economy, the likely downturn in the economy and Giuliani now claiming he never said nobody was colluding, many Republicans are wondering how this works for 2020, what Trump’s plan, if any, is and if this is the time to move him to Mar a Lago.

Jim in CT 01-17-2019 12:40 PM

Does the president own all shutdowns, or only when the president is a republican? Aren't the house democrats playing a role in this?

Slipknot 01-17-2019 01:10 PM

Repubs are fed up with Nancy and her zero stance period

Got Stripers 01-17-2019 01:42 PM

It will end when terrorists get the idea, this is the time to really get that one big hit they haven't had in so long, when our defenses are down.

The other scenario this ends, is when enough republicans defect the Trump camp as their 2020 re-election chances are starting to get to odds they don't like.

Trump is learning he's not the only one capable of playing hard ball and it's got to be making him nuts. It sucks for the government workers being held hostage, it sucks that this shutdown will in fact have a really bad impact on the economy, it's not a matter of if now, just to what extent. These career politicians all suck and Trump has shown that a fu*k up real estate (bankruptcy expert) tycoon isn't any better for America.

The calls from their constituents are likely starting to ring off the hook, eventually those will start to have an impact as well.

Pete F. 01-17-2019 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159901)
Does the president own all shutdowns, or only when the president is a republican? Aren't the house democrats playing a role in this?

https://youtu.be/5n-Y4TIgktg

wdmso 01-17-2019 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159901)
Does the president own all shutdowns, or only when the president is a republican? Aren't the house democrats playing a role in this?

Trump last week: I’ll own the shutdown.
Or

Trump says he would be 'proud' to shut down the government over border wall funding

He clearly owns it .. you can’t blame that away
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Jim in CT 01-17-2019 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1159920)
Trump last week: I’ll own the shutdown.
Or

Trump says he would be 'proud' to shut down the government over border wall funding

He clearly owns it .. you can’t blame that away
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i can ask what you think? who owned the last shutdown?
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Pete F. 01-17-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159923)
i can ask what you think? who owned the last shutdown?
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Rand Paul

spence 01-17-2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1159906)
Repubs are fed up with Nancy and her zero stance period

They passed the Senate bills that Trump already agreed to. Seriously...
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Pete F. 01-17-2019 08:02 PM

This is pretty comical to watch
https://youtu.be/Zk0myOprv_k
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Jim in CT 01-17-2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1159927)
Rand Paul

has there ever been a shutdown that wasnt the republicans fault?
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Slipknot 01-17-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1159911)
It will end when terrorists get the idea, this is the time to really get that one big hit they haven't had in so long, when our defenses are down.

The other scenario this ends, is when enough republicans defect the Trump camp as their 2020 re-election chances are starting to get to odds they don't like.

Trump is learning he's not the only one capable of playing hard ball and it's got to be making him nuts. It sucks for the government workers being held hostage, it sucks that this shutdown will in fact have a really bad impact on the economy, it's not a matter of if now, just to what extent. These career politicians all suck and Trump has shown that a fu*k up real estate (bankruptcy expert) tycoon isn't any better for America.

The calls from their constituents are likely starting to ring off the hook, eventually those will start to have an impact as well.

Not just terrorists you have to worry about Bob
Evil thrives in chaos
Secure the border and end the chaos seems simple enough to me but our government is acting like children especially Democrats and their like.
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Got Stripers 01-17-2019 09:08 PM

I won’t argue that and the biggest child of them all is sitting in the Oval Office.
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Pete F. 01-17-2019 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159932)
has there ever been a shutdown that wasnt the republicans fault?
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When a Republican does it on purpose, it’s his fault
I guarantee you Democrats have caused shutdowns but you asked who caused the last one
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...47863560712623
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Nebe 01-17-2019 10:03 PM

The senate has enough votes to pass a gavernment funding bill to get things rolling but Mitch the Turtle refuses to allow the vote to be held. What a turd.
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spence 01-18-2019 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1159940)
The senate has enough votes to pass a gavernment funding bill to get things rolling but Mitch the Turtle refuses to allow the vote to be held. What a turd.
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He likely has a veto proof majority even if he’d let them vote.

This is all a distraction from the investigations bearing down. It is about to get worse.
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Got Stripers 01-18-2019 07:37 AM

The largest group of families this year was picked up yesterday after coming into the country thru a tunnel under the WALL.
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RIROCKHOUND 01-18-2019 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159928)
They passed the Senate bills that Trump already agreed to. Seriously...
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Yup....

Then Rush, Ann and Sean told him that was not ok...

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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1159948)
The largest group of families this year was picked up yesterday after coming into the country thru a tunnel under the WALL.
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We all know that a wall isn't foolproof, no one is saying it is. We are saying it will HELP. We say that, because walls HELPED in San Diego and Yuma.

GS, let's say 300,000 illegals cross our border each year. Are you really going to say, that a wall won't reduce that number? NO ONE IS SAYING it will reduce it to zero. So you can stop pointing to examples of people circumventing walls. We know it happens.

But walls help reduce the number who cross. No one is saying anything else, and there is no rational argument against that. Telling us that some people bypass the barrier, doesn't refute the notion that walls block SOME people.

In the 20 years I've been following politics, I have never seen honesty and logic abandoned as completely as it has on this issue. Never.

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1159940)
The senate has enough votes to pass a gavernment funding bill to get things rolling but Mitch the Turtle refuses to allow the vote to be held. What a turd.
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The democrats would have no reason to compromise on the wall, without the pressure of the shutdown.

The entire GOP screwed the workers by not doing this when they controlled the congress. And today, the democrats are screwing the workers by refusing to agree to the wall, when they supported in in 2006 and 2013. They are only opposing it now, and saying the idiotic things they're saying (walls are immoral and don't work) because they have lost their minds with hatred for Trump.

Both sides hate each other more than they care about the workers. And this is why I'm conservative, I don't want the feds anywhere near my family's well being.

Got Stripers 01-18-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159954)
We all know that a wall isn't foolproof, no one is saying it is. We are saying it will HELP. We say that, because walls HELPED in San Diego and Yuma.

GS, let's say 300,000 illegals cross our border each year. Are you really going to say, that a wall won't reduce that number? NO ONE IS SAYING it will reduce it to zero. So you can stop pointing to examples of people circumventing walls. We know it happens.

But walls help reduce the number who cross. No one is saying anything else, and there is no rational argument against that. Telling us that some people bypass the barrier, doesn't refute the notion that walls block SOME people.

In the 20 years I've been following politics, I have never seen honesty and logic abandoned as completely as it has on this issue. Never.

A wall the entire length isn’t the answer, THAT is the argument, taking the same money and spreading it out over various technologies including some sections of wall makes more sense. Will you just admit this is all political and to fulfill a campaign promise. You keep asking everyone to give Trimp credit where credit is due, well I think it’s time for you to at least be honest about his intent here.
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Sea Dangles 01-18-2019 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159943)
He likely has a veto proof majority even if he’d let them vote.

This is all a distraction from the investigations bearing down. It is about to get worse.
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Code red Jeff?
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1159957)
A wall the entire length isn’t the answer, THAT is the argument, taking the same money and spreading it out over various technologies including some sections of wall makes more sense. Will you just admit this is all political and to fulfill a campaign promise. You keep asking everyone to give Trimp credit where credit is due, well I think it’s time for you to at least be honest about his intent here.
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"A wall the entire length isn’t the answer"

Then you'll be glad to hear, that's not what Trump is asking for, not even close. He wants to extend what we have, not run it the whole border. You don't even know what you're arguing against.

People die in car accidents. Does that mean air bags don't work? They help. H-E-L-P, help. They make it better than things would be without them. Not perfect, but better.

"spreading it out over various technologies including some sections of wall makes more sense"

Great, again I have good news, Trump also wants to incorporate different technologies - cameras, drones, more agents. Again, you are opposing Trump even when you want the same thing.

Walls HELPED in San Diego and Yuma, there is no arguing that. Why wouldn't they help elsewhere?

Howling at the moon here...

Pete F. 01-18-2019 08:41 AM

The party that is currently whining about the other party spent 6 years prior to this administration blocking everything possible that administration wanted to do
It’s politics what goes around comes around
Somebody needs to learn how to negotiate and stick to his word. Ask McConnell if he got boned by Trump on this shutdown
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1159963)
The party that is currently whining about the other party spent 6 years prior to this administration blocking everything possible that administration wanted to do
It’s politics what goes around comes around
Somebody needs to learn how to negotiate and stick to his word. Ask McConnell if he got boned by Trump on this shutdown
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That's true. But let's at least admit that the democrats aren't opposing on principle, because they were in favor of this in 2006 and 2013. This is all about Trump.

Did the GOP block anything that they had previously been on record as supporting?

But you are correct, both sides care more about politics than they care about fixing things. We need to elect a different kind of congress.

Pete F. 01-18-2019 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159972)
That's true. But let's at least admit that the democrats aren't opposing on principle, because they were in favor of this in 2006 and 2013. This is all about Trump.

Did the GOP block anything that they had previously been on record as supporting?

First the part that consistently is overlooked here is Trump changed his budget for the Wall from 1.6 Billion that would have passed when originally presented to more than 5 Billion in December

I'll let you judge if they let anything thru, here is what the leaders of the House and Senate said at the time.

Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 09:24 AM

pete i dont have any issue with them saying they want obama to be a one term president. iis nancy pelosi neutral in whether or
kit trump gets a second term? i have no problem with that at all. i’m not saying the gop was accommodating to obama, but i didn’t hear any of the republicans say in public they they were going to “impeach the mother——er.”.

we are witnessing new levels of obstruction here.
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spence 01-18-2019 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159975)
we are witnessing new levels of obstruction here.
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The dems have passed three times now a budget the senate already passed out of committee and that Trump said he would sign. You’re dellusional.
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159977)
The dems have passed three times now a budget the senate already passed out of committee and that Trump said he would sign. You’re dellusional.
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And the talk of impeaching the mother----er before there is any proof of an impeachable offense, is...?

spence 01-18-2019 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159978)
And the talk of impeaching the mother----er before there is any proof of an impeachable offense, is...?

If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not paying attention.
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Slipknot 01-18-2019 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159979)
If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not paying attention.
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Jim pays attention, he just is not a sheep and also doesn't worship the likes of CNN,MSNBC and all the other biased supposed news sources

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159979)
If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not paying attention.
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maybe i’m not. i have no problem
impeaching him if he committed an impeachable offense. i would
just hope that determination isn’t made by people who are foaming at the mouth with hatred of him.

trump is a unique character in this role, and not in a a good way. the democrats could resist, and do so with dignity. they are not. they are humiliating themselves.
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Sea Dangles 01-18-2019 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159979)
If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not watching CNN.
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Correct Sir

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1159983)
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Correct Sir

that was pretty good...

does he mean for firing comey? under comey, the fbi became the private investigative firm of the dnc.
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Pete F. 01-18-2019 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159975)
pete i dont have any issue with them saying they want obama to be a one term president. iis nancy pelosi neutral in whether or
kit trump gets a second term? i have no problem with that at all. i’m not saying the gop was accommodating to obama, but i didn’t hear any of the republicans say in public they they were going to “impeach the mother——er.”.

we are witnessing new levels of obstruction here.
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The other party disagreeing is not obstruction, they are allowed to do that in this country. Elections have consequences.
Nothing new here except calling the president a MF, though who knows what Nixon's "expletive deleted" was.
Here is one and there is a list of people who called for Obamas impeachment for various reasons, feel free to hunt them down or Google them up.
At a 2013 town hall meeting with constituents, two years after Obama had released his long-form birth certificate to the public, Congressman Blake Farenthold said that Obama should be impeached due to conspiracy theories relating to Obama's birth certificate. Farenthold said that he thinks that "the House is already out of the barn on this, on the whole birth certificate issue."
According to a July 2014 YouGov poll, 35% of Americans believed President Obama should be impeached, including 68% of Republicans.
Wonder if there is a Poll for that on Trump
Though there is a poll that says:
Fifty-two percent of Americans don’t trust most, or indeed any, polls, according to a … poll :hee:

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 11:26 AM

pete i agree that disagreeing isn’t nevessarily obstruction. but opposing a wall that you previously supported, sure looks like pure obstruction.

nothing new? that idiot socialist from queens, alexandria cortez, isn’t new? the new congresswomen from MN who called jews “evil’, and who nancy pelosi put in the foreign affairs committee, isn’t new? democrats sitting during the SOTU when Trump brags about low black unemployment isn’t new? i don’t remember this lunacy before. calling a wall immiral and racist isn’t new? walls are racist? itnoring that the economy is roaring, isn’t new? boy when the economy improved under obama, that good news was everywhere.

yes elections have consequences. remember that if ginsberg retires.
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RIROCKHOUND 01-18-2019 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159982)
maybe i’m not. i have no problem
impeaching him if he committed an impeachable offense. i would
just hope that determination isn’t made by people who are foaming at the mouth with hatred of him.

trump is a unique character in this role, and not in a a good way. the democrats could resist, and do so with dignity. they are not. they are humiliating themselves.
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If he directed Cohen to lie to Congress and there is proof (beyond Cohen's statement). It is game over. Forget any of the other potential collusion, inauguration or host of other potential funny business. Both sides should see that.

Pete F. 01-18-2019 12:08 PM

Read this and see if you can tell me what the Trump administration wants to do with a wall, notice that he asked for 1.6 Billion not 5+
https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/693488.pdf

I budget and plan construction projects everyday, that is not the way to do it cost effectively.
As far as AOC goes, while I don't agree with her viewpoints, she makes Trump look like an amateur at social media and hopefully will get more young people to vote. They likely won't all agree with her either, but perhaps the Republicans should think about how to attract them. They are not doing well with that demographic now and it will grow as all the Republicans get grayer and grayer.
I believe she called Israel evil and America's view of Israel and Palestine is a false tale, look beyond the propaganda that you are fed on that. There are more sides to that story than we are told.
Better look at Obama's SOTU and see who was sitting and when
The wall and racists is political spin on both sides.
When the economy improved under Obama, Republicans were blatting about the deficit, now with Trump the economy is still improving and Republicans as usual are growing the deficit with few complaints.
Whatever happened to infrastructure, anyways?

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1159992)
If he directed Cohen to lie to Congress and there is proof (beyond Cohen's statement). It is game over. Forget any of the other potential collusion, inauguration or host of other potential funny business. Both sides should see that.

if he directed cohen to lie, i agree that’s proof. but that came out yesterday, and people have been screaming for impeachment for two years. he beat them, and he made them look unbelievably stupid along the way, so they hate him. they hated w bush for the same reason, and he was a good guy.

part of me hopes he gets impeached, i like pence.
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RIROCKHOUND 01-18-2019 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159994)
if he directed cohen to lie, i agree that’s proof. but that came out yesterday, and people have been screaming forminorachment for two years. he beat them, and he made them look unbelievably stupid along the way, so they hate him. they hated w bush for the same reason, and he was a good guy.
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One (hating him) does not preclude the need to act if he broke the law. Nor should it stop someone who doesn't hate him from acting.


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