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Sea Dangles 03-21-2019 09:32 AM

Fentanyl Deaths
 
There is a new study out detailing the rise of deaths from this terrible drug between 2011-2016. Nice to see the government intervene but sad it took so long.

wdmso 03-21-2019 11:07 AM

Don't think there are a lot of new addicts entering the ring as there was 10 years ago .. fentanyl has changed the game and even with this new danger it's not a deterrent...

And sadly it took afluent communitys to start feeling the effects of addiction for the government to pay attention
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Sea Dangles 03-21-2019 03:44 PM

Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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JohnR 03-22-2019 07:54 AM

This is a terrible epidemic that needs to be helped to help.


The stuff coming in now (mostly from China) is extremely dangerous

wdmso 03-22-2019 10:49 AM

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Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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Most state were slow on the size of the issue and stuck in old views of addiction and who they were.. and have turned the corner

Not really a federal issue .outside funding and wasn't a very bipartisan topic until red and blue states both started feeling it effects. Then they came around

It's a topic with no easy fixes and it does not discriminate based on race social status or where you live

Addiction is a rapacious creditor


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Sea Dangles 03-22-2019 11:25 AM

Heartbreaking
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spence 03-22-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164257)
Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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I like how you test drove this snark a few times, got no takers so you started a thread. Epic take down :1poke:

PaulS 03-22-2019 01:15 PM

I thought the funniest thing was mentioning Obama and empathy when Trump's budget guts cancer research, makes education more expensive, hurts health coverage of millions of Americans. It cuts 4.5B from National inst. of Health, 25B fromn S. Security, $200B from student loan programs, $818B from Medicare and $1.5T from Medicaid.

detbuch 03-22-2019 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164304)
I thought the funniest thing was mentioning Obama and empathy when Trump's budget guts cancer research, makes education more expensive, hurts health coverage of millions of Americans. It cuts 4.5B from National inst. of Health, 25B fromn S. Security, $200B from student loan programs, $818B from Medicare and $1.5T from Medicaid.

If the federal gov. got out of "funding" most of those things, costs could actually go down. And wouldn't it be "funniest" if the fed gov funded everything we want and need? Then everything would be "freeeee"!!

wdmso 03-22-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164295)
Heartbreaking
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Such insight
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PaulS 03-22-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1164307)
If the federal gov. got out of "funding" most of those things, costs could actually go down. And wouldn't it be "funniest" if the fed gov funded everything we want and need? Then everything would be "freeeee"!!

Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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detbuch 03-22-2019 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164314)
Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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Empathy and compassion are not indicated as a federal responsibility in the U.S. Constitution. Why on earth would you want the federal government to be responsible for the poor? Is there anything that you think the federal government should not do for you?

PaulS 03-22-2019 04:53 PM

So I guess your logical conclusion is don't do anything as far as those things are concerned. That shows the different outlook between people of different political persuasions. At least we don't have to hear that compassionate conservative garbage anymore
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Sea Dangles 03-22-2019 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1164300)
I like how you test drove this snark a few times, got no takers so you started a thread. Epic take down :1poke:

The WaPo had an in depth article about this last week Jeff,didn’t notice I suppose. Obama fumbled but wait....it’s the states who were at fault. Why do you refer to this as a snark?
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Sea Dangles 03-22-2019 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164314)
Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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They are addressing the opiate epidemic. Albeit without compassion and empathy.
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detbuch 03-22-2019 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164321)
So I guess your logical conclusion is don't do anything as far as those things are concerned. That shows the different outlook between people of different political persuasions. At least we don't have to hear that compassionate conservative garbage anymore
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"logical conclusion"?? Where do you find this "logic" in what I posted? Did I say, or even in the minutest way imply, that nothing should be done? Why must the federal government do it as a matter of compassion or empathy? Is there any limitation, in your mind, on the federal government's compassionate and empathic responsibility? And do you think that the best empathy and compassion in our society would be that distributed by some federal bureaucratic agency? Even if compassion and empathy were its constitutional mandate? Which they are not.

PaulS 03-26-2019 05:33 PM

The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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Jim in CT 03-26-2019 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164562)
The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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they’re not proposing to replace it with anything?
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detbuch 03-26-2019 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164562)
The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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Imagine how short and sweet the Constitution could be if we could only see the true nature of government--compassion. Just think of it--the Constitution wouldn't need too many more words other than "The federal government shall be compassionate."

PaulS 03-26-2019 07:41 PM

Seems perfectly reasonable to me
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detbuch 03-26-2019 08:18 PM

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Seems perfectly reasonable to me
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I thought you'd like it.

PaulS 03-27-2019 06:55 AM

Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.

She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.

Sea Dangles 03-27-2019 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164579)
Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.

She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.

I am hoping tuition counts as a donation. It could be new boat time.
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The Dad Fisherman 03-27-2019 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164579)
Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.

She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.

Here is the proposed budget, you are tasked with decreasing by $7B, what are you saving vs what are you cutting? Let's hear it.

Something to ponder, Special Olympics is being cut by $12.6M but they still took in over $110M through other means FY17, so that is not going to shutdown the program.

yes it sucks, but they have to curb Govt Spending somewhere.

PaulS 03-27-2019 10:26 AM

How about making the ultra wealthy pay what they were paying bf they were given a tax cut that they didn't need rather then ask the weakest in our society to take a 11% cut?
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Jim in CT 03-27-2019 10:34 AM

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How about making the ultra wealthy pay what they were paying bf they were given a tax cut that they didn't need rather then ask the weakest in our society to take a 11% cut?
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i agree, find something else to cut. live the special olympics
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detbuch 03-27-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164579)
Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.

Why is the federal government spending money on public education? Why is there a federal Education Department? Public education is a state responsibility, and the states fund over 90% of public education. So the federal government would cut 10% of its 10% contribution (not very much money overall)--a contribution that it has no constitutional directive to give.

And we must cry over this as we keep adding to the national debt. A "compassionate" federal government which is able to spend more than it has will inevitably lead to an uncompassionate and unsustainable debt which those who are supposed to be the benefactors of government compassion will have to pay for.

detbuch 03-27-2019 10:40 AM

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i agree, find something else to cut. live the special olympics
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Why is the federal government funding special Olympics? I'm going to ask this question again, which has not been answered the several times I asked it before, ARE STATES NECESSARY?

The Dad Fisherman 03-27-2019 11:12 AM

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i agree, find something else to cut. live the special olympics
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Ok, then can you tell me where we are going to make the cuts. $7B has to come out, where are you taking it from?
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PaulS 03-27-2019 11:15 AM

Hard choices no doubt. What you cut/increase is in many ways a reflection of your values.
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Jim in CT 03-27-2019 11:43 AM

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Why is the federal government funding special Olympics? I'm going to ask this question again, which has not been answered the several times I asked it before, ARE STATES NECESSARY?

I totally get what you're saying, and I agree with you 100% in principle. But I have no issue with paying federal income tax to fund the Special Olympics. Sometimes decency can prevail over constitutional technicalities. Maybe that can lead to a slippery slope over what different folks define as "decency".

Cut the National Endowment for the Arts. Manhattan stock brokers don't need my money to subsidize their opera tickets.

The Dad Fisherman 03-27-2019 12:05 PM

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Hard choices no doubt. What you cut/increase is in many ways a reflection of your values.
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It's education, aren't they all valuable in some respect? $7B still has to come out.

They've always said that when they have to reduce spending it's going to hurt. Special Olympics at least looks like they are solvent enough to absorb the hit.

They removed scholarships for children of Iraq/Afghanistan Vets who died in action. That one hurts too.

detbuch 03-27-2019 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1164609)
I totally get what you're saying, and I agree with you 100% in principle. But I have no issue with paying federal income tax to fund the Special Olympics. Sometimes decency can prevail over constitutional technicalities. Maybe that can lead to a slippery slope over what different folks define as "decency".

Cut the National Endowment for the Arts. Manhattan stock brokers don't need my money to subsidize their opera tickets.

Jim, no matter how much your sympathy desires the federal government to overreach its powers in order to do what you consider compassionate, you are not going to be allowed to pick and choose which compassionate unconstitutional measures will be allowed. None of the goodies that the left want to fund nationally will be cut in order to appease your desire to fund just the ones you prefer.

In the meantime, as you perfectly well know, the national debt rises. And is never paid down. But just continues to grow as we add new and wonderfully compassionate and nice sounding schemes to the federal roster of caring things it will do "for the people."

This has to stop. Reign the federal government back to within its constitutionally prescribed limitations and miraculously there will be wealth left to the private sector to do wonderful things "for the people". And the people will actually have a say in what those things will be.

When compassion is left to "the people," it will be humane. When it is a function of bureaucracies, it will be as humane as tasks delivered by robots. And the robots will be programmed by a few selected people who have their own interests.

Jim in CT 03-27-2019 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1164612)
Jim, no matter how much your sympathy desires the federal government to overreach its powers in order to do what you consider compassionate, you are not going to be allowed to pick and choose which compassionate unconstitutional measures will be allowed. None of the goodies that the left want to fund nationally will be cut in order to appease your desire to fund just the ones you prefer.

In the meantime, as you perfectly well know, the national debt rises. And is never paid down. But just continues to grow as we add new and wonderfully compassionate and nice sounding schemes to the federal roster of caring things it will do "for the people."

This has to stop. Reign the federal government back to within its constitutionally prescribed limitations and miraculously there will be wealth left to the private sector to do wonderful things "for the people". And the people will actually have a say in what those things will be.

When compassion is left to "the people," it will be humane. When it is a function of bureaucracies, it will be as humane as tasks delivered by robots. And the robots will be programmed by a few selected people who have their own interests.

I freely concede that I have no logical response to your constitutionally-based argument. I just don't like it. That also makes me a bit of a hypocrite, as I regularly use your logic to make the point that we're supposed to play by the rules, and the rulebook is the Constitution.

wdmso 03-28-2019 03:57 AM

Reign the federal government back to within its constitutionally prescribed limitations

Says the guy who Has no issues with Trump's end around Congress on wall funding LOL

Pentagon Takes $1 Billion From Military Personnel Account To Build Border Fence Conservatives are all Giddy



Education Secretary Betsy DeVos proposed massive cuts in the budget request for fiscal 2020, including eliminating $17.6 million to support the Special Olympics.

"We are not doing our children any favors when we borrow from their future in order to invest in systems and policies that are not yielding better results," (is she talking about Military programs like the Osprey and others )


FYI one F-35A in 2019 cost $85 million


and Conservatives are all Giddy and making excuse with twisted Rational how this is Justifiable but again since we AKA (republicans) cut off the country's funding sources with are giant tax cut .... now need to cut spending all over .... Cause and effect

Sea Dangles 03-28-2019 05:27 AM

Not sure who to blame,Trump or his base🤷🏽#^&♂️.
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scottw 03-28-2019 05:28 AM

quick quiz for wayne....which is a constitutionally mandated role of the federal government... national defense or special olympics?

I love the special olympics...just following your genius here..:hihi:

also...did federal revenue increase or decrease last year? is it expected to increase or decrease this year?....is it projected to increase or decrease next year?

The Dad Fisherman 03-28-2019 06:12 AM

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just following your genius here..:hihi:

Good luck with that....

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PaulS 03-28-2019 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1164612)
Jim, no matter how much your sympathy desires the federal government to overreach its powers in order to do what you consider compassionate, you are not going to be allowed to pick and choose which compassionate unconstitutional measures will be allowed..

So is funding for the Special Olympics and some of the other thing that were mentioned earlier unconstitutional? Things like the education department and scholarships for the children of vets who died in action.
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scottw 03-28-2019 07:51 AM

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So is funding for the Special Olympics and some of the other thing that were mentioned earlier unconstitutional? Things like the education department and scholarships for the children of vets who died in action.
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should the federal government give millions of dollars to every private charity organization out there and shouldn't they all get the same funding in the interest of fairness?


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