Trump visiting the Mexican Border
 

MAGA - Mexicans Always Get Across
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I read that a section of fencing that the Obama admin approved to get upgraded was adorned with a plaque commemorating Trump's first section of the new border wall.

No, I didn't just make that up.

This must mean a code red is soon to follow.
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Trump ran on building a wall, then comes in and built nothing and ironically his actions and policies have dramatically increased the problem he was going to stop. This of course sets him up to run in 2020 on his favorite platform, look what’s happening still at our southern border, elect me again and I promise this time I will build that wall.
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he deserves criticism for not fulfilling that promise, no question.
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in the desert
 

on a friday afternoon:
i used to take our 2 mexican workers down to tecate mexico since i was
going there anyways to buy diesel fuel @ 1/2 price

and they'd say "see you on monday" ---- as they knew the trail back like memory.... come monday, there they were all smiles
every single time

rump lying seems to be his national priority


Trump's false claim that child separations were carried out by the Obama administration has been frequently refuted.

but yet he still insists it to be True .....

Pretty sure it happened under Obama, was expanded under Trump, no?

"Past administrations also separated children from the adults they arrived with in the United States. But immigration experts said those separations were relatively rare and nowhere near the scale under the Trump administration."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rations-were-/

Obama did it in a limited manner when the parents were being charged with more serious crimes or they believed it could be child trafficking. Trump made it a policy to charge all parents with crimes and sepearate most kids. The policies are very different.

Jim, we’ve covered this like 10 times.
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wdmso said that obama
didn’t separate kids from parents. false.
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Use your brain.
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a cowardly, unsubstantiated insult? get outa here, so
unlike you.

i posted a link, stating that obama separated kids from parents.
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Yes, you did. In the cases the politico article outlines.
https://images.app.goo.gl/7cJgC4P2UrWaXpYV9

Can you admit trump vastly increased the use of this policy?
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In Jim's world they are the same thing . And he clearly believes Trump at all times.
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President Obama separated children. They had child separation; I was the one that changed it," Trump said. Trump made the comments during a photo op

It was then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions who instituted the "zero tolerance" policy at the Southern border in April 2018, which resulted in children being separated from their parents who were taken into custody for criminal prosecution.

If Trump could have his way and get rid of all the judges, he would ramp it up and there would be a massive amount of humiliation violations taking place. Trump has no respect for the law, it’s hard to believe a president of the United States would call to eliminate the judges, no authoritarian impulses there boys.
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i refer you to post #9, where i say explicitly that obama didn’t do it nearly on the same scale..

now, can you admit that obama separated kids from parents at the border? and that he got no criticism for it? it only became shameful when trump did it. and no one said the issue was how frequently trump was doing it ( is there an acceptable number of times to do it?), only that he was doing it.

Trump Derangement Syndrome, in all its glory.

the arrival of huge numbers of children at the border is a new thing: itbused to be that 90% of illegals were single males. not anymore. we don’t have anywhere NEAR the infrastructure to deal with it.
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read your post. you claimed obama didn’t separate kids from parents. that’s not true, it’s demonstrably false. that’s all i was responding to.
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Sorry, I missed that.

Yes, but again, this was done when the parents were being charged with a serious crime OR it was suspected trafficking. Not as a 'deterrent' as Trump so proudly admitted.

Agreed, but I don't think the answer to this is to separate families and put kids in dog kennels.

dog kennels aren’t ideal. but we also know for a fact that some of the “families” are using rented kids to appear as a family, to exploit our laws. How the hell do you respond to that?

it’s a mess. it’s a mess becuse. the snugglers know that if children are present, the group had a much better chance of staying.

a huge, huge mess. one side denies there’s even an issue.
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It wasn’t a huge mess until Trump and his policies turned it into one, but this is his bizarre strategy to create more chaos and amplify it by firing the department head. Now he will ramp up the rhetoric to instill fear in his base to prepare his 2020 campaign run to sell Trump and his policies as the solution to the mess he created so he could solve it. Classic move don’t be fooled.
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That Damn Obama separating an adult who the border patrol thinks may have committed a serious crime like murder or kidnapping a child from the minor child they are with. I guess they could have done the following instead of separating them:

1) Detain the adult in a cell with the minor child so as to not separate them.
2) Let the adult and child go so as to not separate them and hope they come back
3) Any other suggestions?

What? It was not a huge mess? We have anywhere from 11 million to 30 million or more illegals in this country and you say it was not a huge mess? And there was no effective, sincere, and sustained effort to stop that mess. And blocking this current President from attacking the mess is not a mess?

Right, right, all was well until the Don stepped in and mucked it all up. If he would just stay out of it, all would be just dandy.

That's not true. It turned into a mess when the majority of immigrants changed form being single men, to family units. American law says that single men can be quickly processed and shipped back. American law precludes that with families, we have to hold them for a period. we didn't then, nor do we now, have the facilities for that.

The criminals are aware of our laws, so are staging fake family units. There's no easy answer to this. well there is, the answer I sto change the law and ship families back as fast as we used to send individuals back. Right now, theres a huge incentive for illegals to bring kids with them.

It's a mess, and it's not one of Trumps making, any more than the recession was Obama's fault.

Paul, what would you do, when overnight, the majority of illegals switched form individuals we could ship back the next day, to families with kids who by law, cannot be shipped back right away.

Tens of thousands of such people every month. Every month, tens of thousands. You have no idea who they are, you don't know if it's an actual family or a staged family designed to skirt our laws. What would you do? What should we be doing?

If Trump didn't separate them, and put them all together in a huge pen, and any of those kids were harmed by adults, then the liberal zombies would be saying Trump would have separated those kids if he cared about them, that's it's wrong to foerce kids and adults to be penned together.

Can we let them all go in your neighborhood Paul? Are you OK with that? 100,000 in March alone? can they all get housing, education, and healthcare in your town?

What should he be doing?

Ok so explain the spike?
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Could be various reasons. Perhaps the fear that something may now actually be done to stop the flow inspires a whole bunch to cross over before it becomes a lot harder to do. Perhaps some leftist orgs like Soros's "America's Voice" are helping to fund a massive inflow in order to overwhelm the system in order to bring Trump down and to instigate a so-called "comprehensive immigration plan" that gives amnesty to all those illegals here and to make it easier to promote an "open borders" policy which can forever tip the number of voters here toward transforming the great USA into the tip of the spear that militates the global community into the great, egalitarian social justice dream. Or maybe it's just a coincidence.

Thanks so we are in agreement, the policies have made it far worse
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No, Trump's policies have been blocked. The previous policies, that have essentially allowed the borders to be porous while allowing millions who enter illegally to stay, are still in place. The threat that Trump's policies will actually be allowed may spur some to take advantage of the porous border en masse now while they can. When and if Trump's policies are actually wholly in place, the "mess" may become less of one.

So in 2000 856,256 aperhension 1st 6 months of that fiscal year

And 361,087 1st 6 month's of fiscal year 2019

How did we ever survive what happened in 2000

I'm like to know what Obama should have done with criminals and the minors they were with? I can't think of anything other than those 2 options.

I don't see a comparison between the scenerio I mentioned and someone applying for asylum w/a minor.

Apprehension and return are two different things. Numbers residing here are more important. You do realize that 10% of California's workforce is illegal immigrants, and 6% percent of its population are illegal immigrants?

i just did. instead of single guys crossing, they are bringing family units, because american law makes it far more likely that they can stay, than a single man could stay. they are gaming our laws. families are larger than singles. there’s the spike. plus our economy is absolutely soaring, and that usually drives up immigration, because there are lots of jobs available.
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obama
didn’t have anywhere near this many families, he had 90% single men.

when trump roof office, there was no onfasteucture to deal with this. it’s not obama’s fault, because NO ONE could have forseen the massive shift from singles to families. it’s not trumps fault either.
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Laws didn’t change during this administration , but policies did.
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Which new policy is the cause for the spike?

Immigrants who are in California illegally make up 38% of the agriculture industry Jobs americans won't do


2016 and Nevada is 7.1 % Calf 5.6 % Texas is 5.7 and NJ is 5.2 none of this is New


2010 California (6.8%), Nevada (7.2%) and Texas (6.7%).

https://www.pewhispanic.org/interact...ants-by-state/

So from 2010 2019 the only things that changed is Trumps rhetoric

he has tried to use executive orders ( which now are acceptable for his supporters) he hasn't attempted any meaningful immigration reform (his base wont allow that ) south america has gone to #^&#^&#^&#^& not his fault .. and we have the lowest unemployment in history
so they are stealing our jobs doesn't fly any more .

So Trump does what he does on any topic he can't control he blames everyone else the courts homeland security mexico ..

its cheeper to help these people where they live .. but foreign aid is Taboo for his base ... so they will keep coming its what desperate people do

i didn’t say laws changed. but the immigrants are now changing their tactics, because of already existing laws.

why are you denying what is irrefutable? it has nothing to do with trump. immigrants figured out that they’re better off
if they drag children with them. that’s what’s happening, it’s haioening in huge numbers that we’ve never seen before.

take off the tin foil
hat, and
listed to wht the border patrol
is saying. that’s not a defense if trump
or an attack in obama. it’s a statement if fact.

so what would
you do, if the infrastructure was built in the assumption that 90% of illegals were single
men who the law said could be sent right back, and suddenly it’s all families with children, whom the law says need to be held and then often released? there’s nowhere to put them, and we arrested 100,000 last month.

how the hell do you respond to that? beats me.
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You're welcome not to answer the question but all that I've asked is what was Obama supposed to do with adults who they thought murdered someone or possibly kidnapped a minor?

If that was the situation w/a US citizen, wouldn't the 2 be separated in state/city jail?

Show me the study proving the percentage of crossings by fake family units, I know it happens, but I don’t believe it’s anywhere near the crisis and fear level Trump would have you believe; but then again it’s clear the base believes it regardless of facts. Do you admit a trumps rhetoric, current and future policies on the radar have resulted in the spike at the border, I’m guessing not.
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