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wdmso 04-18-2019 06:21 AM

Muller report AG new conference
 
Again the conservatives are silent

with this new wrinkle and the WH house has seen the report before congress hum???

yea Barr is showing how independent he clears isn't ..


Trumps Has become everything Republican said Obama was going to be

and now there ok with that ... :kewl:

Got Stripers 04-18-2019 07:42 AM

AG said he wouldn’t comment further on the contents until it was released, yet he is going to do so in a press conference ahead of the release. Trump praised the investigation initially and in Trump fashion now it’s something else; he even suggested America should watch the coverage on only the news networks he likes. It’s all eventually coming out regardless of the redactions.
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Nebe 04-18-2019 08:13 AM

Couldn’t care less. Our country is broken. Flush out all of the turds. Wipe the skid marks off the bowl and maybe we can rebuild DC into something that works for everyone.
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Sea Dangles 04-18-2019 08:22 AM

Agreed
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The Dad Fisherman 04-18-2019 09:07 AM

:uhuh:

wdmso 04-18-2019 09:36 AM

wow what a snow job by Barr could he stroke trump any harder


not one colluded willing.... unwitting agent


obstruction : Trump was just mad :btu:

The Dad Fisherman 04-18-2019 09:51 AM

So I guess he didn't say anything you desperately needed to hear :hee:

wdmso 04-18-2019 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1165793)
So I guess he didn't say anything you desperately needed to hear :hee:

Just another one of Trumps people blowing the Dear Leader ..

And another Trump fan (you) who have no issues with the release of the report .. the by anymeans necessary crowd .. it's no longer America 1st its Trump before country.. 1st
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The Dad Fisherman 04-18-2019 02:05 PM

You really don’t pay attention to what people post here do you?
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Sea Dangles 04-18-2019 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1165806)
You really don’t pay attention to what people post here do you?
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The meaning gets lost due to the echo between the ears.
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spence 04-18-2019 03:24 PM

Looks like Trump got the AG he always wanted. Still, there’s a lot of damning stuff here.
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Sea Dangles 04-18-2019 03:53 PM

Just not the code red you were hoping for,Jeff.
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spence 04-18-2019 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1165811)
Just not the code red you were hoping for,Jeff.
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Wasn’t expecting a code red. There’s plenty to justify obstruction though and Barr has proven to be more of a PR agent than Attorney General.
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Sea Dangles 04-18-2019 06:21 PM

Oh, my bad.👍🏽
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Got Stripers 04-19-2019 06:25 AM

Based on what Mueller stated in the report, it’s shocking to me Barr could possibly state definitively there is no evidence to support obstruction of justice. Trump ran for president to promote the Trump brand plan and simply and brought his private sector criminal behavior to the Oval Office. If any of us did what Trump did as reported, you would be looking for a good lawyer. The DOJ position you can not indite a sitting president clearly is why Mueller decided to put this in the hands of congress, in spite of all the evidence to support it; in spite of Barr’s boot licking spin.
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spence 04-19-2019 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1165846)
Based on what Mueller stated in the report, it’s shocking to me Barr could possibly state definitively there is no evidence to support obstruction of justice. Trump ran for president to promote the Trump brand plan and simply and brought his private sector criminal behavior to the Oval Office. If any of us did what Trump did as reported, you would be looking for a good lawyer. The DOJ position you can not indite a sitting president clearly is why Mueller decided to put this in the hands of congress, in spite of all the evidence to support it; in spite of Barr’s boot licking spin.
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It’s pretty simple. Barr was hired to cover up wrong doing.
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Jim in CT 04-19-2019 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1165860)
It’s pretty simple. Barr was hired to cover up wrong doing.
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so what about the fact
that Mueller indicted no one for collusion? does that mean anything? for two years, we were told that Mueller would have the final, conclusive word. funny how that changed.
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detbuch 04-19-2019 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1165846)
Based on what Mueller stated in the report, it’s shocking to me Barr could possibly state definitively there is no evidence to support obstruction of justice.

He didn't say, definitively or otherwise, that there is NO evidence. He said the evidence is not sufficient to establish obstruction. And he laid out legitimate reasons for his conclusion. He certainly established that the evidence supported the belief that Trump did not act out of a motive to obstruct, but that, as Mueller acknowledged in his report, there is substantial evidence to show that the President was frustrated and angered by his "sincere" belief that his presidency was being undermined by his political opponents and fueled by illegal leaks. And that even so, the White House fully cooperated with the investigation, took no act to deprive the special counsel of the documents and witnesses to complete his investigation.

It is legally required to prove the corrupt motivation to obstruct justice. The evidence was substantial (again as acknowledged in Mueller's report) that Trump's motivation was non-corruptive but frustration and anger at what he perceived as an attempt to destroy his presidency. In other words, his motivation was not to obstruct justice, but to fight for it. After all, he knew that he had not conspired with the Russians--as was concluded by Mueller's report.

And, basically, how can you reasonably argue that it is obstructive to fight against a lie.


Trump ran for president to promote the Trump brand plan and simply and brought his private sector criminal behavior to the Oval Office. If any of us did what Trump did as reported, you would be looking for a good lawyer.

OK . . . that is an opinion, not an actual proven fact. Putting words in Barr's mouth as you did above, then piling on with negative personal opinion is a shady way of making an argument.

The DOJ position you can not indite a sitting president clearly is why Mueller decided to put this in the hands of congress, in spite of all the evidence to support it; in spite of Barr’s boot licking spin.
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If you can't indict a sitting President, what is the point of the investigation? Isn't it to find sufficient evidence of criminal behavior? And if sufficient evidence is not found, as it apparently was not since Mueller could not conclude that obstruction was proven, what is there to hand over to Congress other than another politically biased hunt to find conclusive evidence (as if the exhaustive search by Mueller's team was not capable of doing so). The point of a prosecutorial investigation is to determine if there is enough evidence to prosecute. If the prosecutor (the special counsel in this case)cannot find enough evidence to prosecute, that should be the end of it. A prosecutor should not leave it up in the air by making a nebulous comment saying in effect that it could be one way or the other. By doing so, Mueller is abandoning his responsibility to conclude if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute. And that inaction vitiates the whole purpose of prosecution. That destroys the whole concept that it is not up to the defendant to prove innocence, but up to the prosecution to prove guilt. If the prosecution cannot prove such, or is unwilling to do so, or willing to say he is unable to, then it is OVER. Defendant wins.

In any case, Congress doesn't need Mueller's invitation. It can concoct whatever argument it wants to impeach. If Mueller is trying to give Congress some cover for doing so, even if he could not conclude a crime was committed after an exhaustive investigation, then it is he, not Barr who is a acting politically--boot licking as you so graciously and objectively put it.

Got Stripers 04-19-2019 03:08 PM

His base will see only what they want to see in this report, no shock there.
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detbuch 04-19-2019 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1165892)
His base will see only what they want to see in this report, no shock there.
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Is this a fact or an opinion? Would it be a fact or an opinion to say that "his opponents will see only what they want to see in this report, no shock there."

Jim in CT 04-19-2019 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1165892)
His base will see only what they want to see in this report, no shock there.
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what should we see? Mueller recommended zero indictments for collusion with russia. Zero. Are we going to go through the whole thing again, this time the hunt is for obstruction?
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Got Stripers 04-19-2019 03:39 PM

Can’t possibly debate with the hard core supporters it’s always a circular argument, your best bet is congress attempts to impeach, I hope they continue to expose a Trump for what he is and 2020 takes care of things. Take NOTES or not, it will piss of the supreme leader.
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detbuch 04-19-2019 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1165896)
Can’t possibly debate with the hard core supporters it’s always a circular argument, your best bet is congress attempts to impeach, I hope they continue to expose a Trump for what he is and 2020 takes care of things. Take NOTES or not, it will piss of the supreme leader.
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Can't argue with your hard core way of looking at it.

The Dad Fisherman 04-19-2019 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1165896)
Can’t possibly debate with the hard core supporters it’s always a circular argument, your best bet is congress attempts to impeach, I hope they continue to expose a Trump for what he is and 2020 takes care of things. Take NOTES or not, it will piss of the supreme leader.
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I sooooooo want him to win in 2020, the TDS sufferers deserve it. :hihi:
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Got Stripers 04-19-2019 06:13 PM

If that happens you will get what you deserve.
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detbuch 04-19-2019 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1165908)
If that happens you will get what you deserve.
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More investigations?

The Dad Fisherman 04-19-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1165908)
If that happens you will get what you deserve.
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Endless hours of online entertainment?
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Jim in CT 04-19-2019 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1165913)
Endless hours of online entertainment?
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and a roaring economy, and watching cnn and
msnbc melt down 24/7?
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Sea Dangles 04-19-2019 09:46 PM

If the snowflakes only knew how entertaining they are.
It’s obvious the naysayers have a lot less to say after their big investigation nothing burger,lots of broken hearts.
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Jim in CT 04-20-2019 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1165923)
If the snowflakes only knew how entertaining they are.
It’s obvious the naysayers have a lot less to say after their big investigation nothing burger,lots of broken hearts.
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have you seen the ratings at CNN and MSNBC, since we learned Mueller found nothing to indict on?

Enron is doing better.

It’s terrific entertainment.
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wdmso 04-20-2019 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1165894)
what should we see? Mueller recommended zero indictments for collusion with russia. Zero. Are we going to go through the whole thing again, this time the hunt is for obstruction?
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Agin the right has turned anything in to a legal on argument only . Like saying because they weren't convicted they did nothing ... but if you take the time to remove your partisan glasses or try if Obama's did these things . And read the detail s of the report .. you would possibly see.. how abhorrent Trump and his peoples actions and behavior was..

CONSERVATIVE logic

If I bring a women to your hotel room who you know is a hooker (Trumps people) . But they were watching this hooker (Fbi). There was investigations. (TRUMP PEOPLE LIED WHEN ASKED ) than they concluded you only spoke to the hooker. (We don't have enought to meet the standard of the law...
then the wife found out (American people)

Conservatives the wife needs to get over it ...

Anymeans necessary
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Sea Dangles 04-20-2019 08:39 AM

Wayne,this disjointed gibberish is a little tough to follow but my guess is more

Conservative = bad
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spence 04-20-2019 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1165876)
so what about the fact
that Mueller indicted no one for collusion? does that mean anything? for two years, we were told that Mueller would have the final, conclusive word. funny how that changed.
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You can't indict someone for collusion. The bar for criminal conspiracy was set very high and the report clearly states that encrypted messaging apps and rampant dishonesty impaired the investigation.

But that being said, do you take comfort in the fact that the campaign actively encouraged and benefited from Russian election meddling, that the campaign and Trump helped to cover up the Russian actions, that they had highly unusual amount of Russian contacts and lied repeatedly about all of them, that they lied repeatedly to American voters etc... etc... you're good with all of this just because nobody was indicted for conspiracy?

And for those claiming there's nothing there, weren't there over 30 indictments handed out? Didn't the investigation spin off 14 other investigations 12 of which we know little about?

The obstruction case laid out in the report is incredibly damning to Trump personally. I don't know if the House will actually move forward with impeachment for political reasons, but the blueprint for the case is there and it's pretty clear.

As Dan York who's no liberal said yesterday. If every American were to just skim through the report there's no chance Trump would get reelected.

Jim in CT 04-20-2019 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1165933)
Wayne,this disjointed gibberish is a little tough to follow but my guess is more

Conservative = bad
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now you got it.

WDMSO, for the ten millionth time, Trump is a disgusting person. But three separate investigations have concluded that with regards to russia, there’s not enough to bring charges.

you say he didn’t get convicted? No. He didn’t even get charged.

The Mueller report was
exculpatory. i’m sorry, but it was. How about we start talking about whether or not his policies are making things better for the nation? there is a reason why the left is this desperate, to avoid having that conversation. they humiliate themselves to avoid having that conversation.

ANYTHING to avoid talking about policy.

Russia! Racism! People aren’t illegal! LGBTQ!! Gender isn’t binary! Hitler! The polar bears! Free stuff! Waaahhhh!!!!!
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wdmso 04-20-2019 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1165943)
now you got it.

WDMSO, for the ten millionth time, Trump is a disgusting person. But three separate investigations have concluded that with regards to russia, there’s not enough to bring charges.

you say he didn’t get convicted? No. He didn’t even get charged.

The Mueller report was
exculpatory. i’m sorry, but it was. How about we start talking about whether or not his policies are making things better for the nation? there is a reason why the left is this desperate, to avoid having that conversation. they humiliate themselves to avoid having that conversation.

ANYTHING to avoid talking about policy.

Russia! Racism! People aren’t illegal! LGBTQ!! Gender isn’t binary! Hitler! The polar bears! Free stuff! Waaahhhh!!!!!
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again yes no charges.. I get it and i understand why .. seems your willing ignore the behavior As if were talking about the guy Down the Street .. and not the Office of the POTUS ... Thats the part that i dont understand how republicans can just look the other way ... after making bigger issue over less concerning the last Potus .. its amazing

wdmso 04-20-2019 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1165933)
Wayne,this disjointed gibberish is a little tough to follow but my guess is more

Conservative = bad
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its very simple even if your not convicted or charged for soliciting sex

you were still hanging out with hookers ..

its as easy as that .. unless your a Trump supporter it's all good cuz He didn't stick it in

Jim in CT 04-20-2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1165951)
again yes no charges.. I get it and i understand why .. seems your willing ignore the behavior As if were talking about the guy Down the Street .. and not the Office of the POTUS ... Thats the part that i dont understand how republicans can just look the other way ... after making bigger issue over less concerning the last Potus .. its amazing

"seems your willing ignore the behavior"

I call him out all the time. Bit I'm not willing to call for impeachment or imprisonment just because you hate him.

"Because I hate his guts", isn't valid reason for impeachment. He won. Deal. With. It. There's another election next year.

Jim in CT 04-20-2019 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1165929)
Agin the right has turned anything in to a legal on argument only . Like saying because they weren't convicted they did nothing ... but if you take the time to remove your partisan glasses or try if Obama's did these things . And read the detail s of the report .. you would possibly see.. how abhorrent Trump and his peoples actions and behavior was..

CONSERVATIVE logic

If I bring a women to your hotel room who you know is a hooker (Trumps people) . But they were watching this hooker (Fbi). There was investigations. (TRUMP PEOPLE LIED WHEN ASKED ) than they concluded you only spoke to the hooker. (We don't have enought to meet the standard of the law...
then the wife found out (American people)

Conservatives the wife needs to get over it ...

Anymeans necessary
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Here's the fatal flaw with your hooker analogy and the wife finding out.

Trump isn't your spouse. We didn't elect him to be the moral head of our family. He's president.

If I was friends with Melania Trump, I would tell her to kick his azz to the curb and take half of what he's got. His behavior is sufficient grounds for a divorce, and probably an annulment. That's not nearly the same thing as being grounds for incarceration, or impeachment.

Bill Clinton was also serially unfaithful, which makes him a horrible husband and father. But in my opinion, he left the country far better off than when he showed up, so he was a good POTUS.

There's the valid analogy. The criteria for being POTUS, ain't the same criteria to be a good spouse.

He won an election fair and square, and in the process, he made 99% of the people on the left, look like morons. So they hate him. They, which includes you, are consumed and deranged with hate.

He's doing a good job. The division, which is terrible for the country, is mostly a creation of democrats and the media, though he certainly doesn't help.

The left likes to hit below the belt, ask Bush, McCain, Romney. The left doesn't like when their target hits back, it's never happened before, but boy is it happening now. And it's beyond glorious to watch.

The stock market is up, unemployment is down, and the entire left is coming un-glued. I feel like a kid at Christmas getting the exact bike I wanted.

wdmso 04-20-2019 03:24 PM

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...arning-sign-2/ good read on how wrong you are about your stable genius

From the article "It is not hard to see why Trump’s senior staff treat him as they do. They understand better than any of us that his distinct disabilities as a decision maker have to be accommodated in some extraordinary ways to prevent them from exacting terrible costs. But these extraordinary accommodations are unlikely to be sustainable in truly extraordinary circumstances. We can hope that the country is lucky enough to avoid a serious crisis of some kind that requires a functional emergency-management response under time pressure."



ps founding father's are no actually our fathers .. it's called a metaphor. as was wife and husband

And what does the market and unemployment have to with other than for you to excuse his behavior
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wdmso 04-20-2019 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1165953)
"seems your willing ignore the behavior"

I call him out all the time. Bit I'm not willing to call for impeachment or imprisonment just because you hate him.

"Because I hate his guts", isn't valid reason for impeachment. He won. Deal. With. It. There's another election next year.


I wish it was as simple as Hate That's your sides way of Governing we saw 8 years of it..

These are actual problems with Trump .. We are not crying over just how many golf outings he's gone on or the cost to the public.. that scrutiny was for the last POTUS (shocking) and so so important to Fox and other conservatives :cheers:


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