turkey already bombing syria
that didn’t take long. wow.
turkey is saying that the kurds who helped us defeat isis, are conspiring with kurdish terrorists within turkey. anyone have any idea if that’s true? |
Don't worry Lindsey is sending them thoughts and prayers.
And when Congress gets back from recess he'll sanction Turkey, Erdogan is sweating bullets. Is that like dropping bombs? Lindsey Graham @LindseyGrahamSC Pray for our Kurdish allies who have been shamelessly abandoned by the Trump Administration. This move ensures the reemergence of ISIS. 10:37 AM · Oct 9, 2019·Twitter for iPhone |
It’s funny you are skeptical of turkey trying to assign Kurdish terrorist threats within their boarders, yet blindly side with trump’s border issues as a threat to our safety.
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if you don’t think our southern border has been a huge problem for both the US and those, especially women, making the crossing (30% of whom are being assaulted according to some data), i think that says a lot more about you, then it does about me. Sometimes I think Trump is correct, sometimes I think he's wrong. That's funny to you. Please tell me, by what logic, should I assume that either he's right 100% of the time, or wrong 100% of the time. Do you guys on the left here, really not see that you're the exact mirror image of Sean Hannity? How do you not see that? You're exactly as thoughtless, predictable, and close minded as he is. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Bad move by Trump imo, you don't hang friends out to die. I somehow see Turkey and Iran rumbling in Syria and maybe that's his endgame???
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If you guys don't understand why so many see Trump as a threat to national security now I doubt you ever will. He has no idea what he's doing and making snap decisions in a vacuum. It's dangerous. |
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When Trump is done history books will read: Prior to the Trump Administration the United States was the dominant world power.
China has reacted positively to Russia's call for a regional coalition to ensure security in the Persian Gulf as the United States and Iran have pursued their own rival agendas there. Moscow first introduced "the concept of providing collective security in the Persian Gulf area" in July as tensions between Washington and Tehran neared an all-out crisis. Russian President Vladimir Putin officially proposed Thursday that "a security and cooperation organization be created in the region almost from scratch." He suggested that "Russia, China, the U.S., the EU, India and other interested countries could join as observers." Asked about this idea, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang declined to "offer a principled response before checking for more information" at a press conference Tuesday, but said Beijing was open to such considerations. "China has been closely following the complex and sensitive situation in the Gulf region," Geng added. "Safeguarding peace and stability in the region is in the shared interests of the international community. China welcomes all proposals and diplomatic efforts conducive to deescalating the situation in the Gulf region. We would also like to stay in communication with all relevant parties." |
WH puts out a brilliant statement and remember military operations of this scale take time to put in place. The phone call was on Sunday. Maybe Trump will draw another red line.
"This morning, Turkey, a NATO member, invaded Syria. The United States does not endorse this attack and has made it clear to Turkey that this operation is a bad idea." |
Another case of us abandoning our allies.
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Turkey says Trump knew ‘precisely’ about scope of N. Syria operation. “President Trump and President Erdogan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is,” Gulnur Aybet, Senior Adviser to the President of Turkey
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Pete, I read and consider your point of view often enough to almost know what rhetoric to expect in the New Posts every morning... But I had to take exception with your following post;
Moscow first introduced "the concept of providing collective security in the Persian Gulf area" in July Believe nothing coming out of that country as long as Putin reigns. He is of same cloth as Stalin. Beware.... Not as large an economic potential problem as China, but we know who/what he is... Ex KGB, flying warplanes in the same skies as ours in support of Assad, after invading Ukraine despite the world's protests. |
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Turkey wasn’t going to invade at the risk of harming US service men and women, one phone call with Trump clears the path, with as you noted risking setting free 10000 hard core enemies; very bad move IMHO. What is more disturbing to me is that this was for one of two political reasons, to fulfill a campaign promise or to distract attention from the impeachment inquiry.
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Turkey wanted our support troops out, that was the only obstacle to them taking it to the Kurds. Could it be as simple as this president compromised by his family’s business interests, they own twin towers in Istanbul and it’s reported over 118 other interests in ongoing business ventures. I believe he is at his core corrupt and ran for two reasons, fame and family fortune.
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Though I would say Putin has far better apparatchik than Stalin I worry about our position in the world order that Trump is unknowingly throwing away. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
I see nobody has any justification for why this is a good idea.
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I just spoke to a distraught US Special Forces soldier who is among the 1000 or so US troops in Syria tonight who is serving alongside the SDF Kurdish forces. It was one of the hardest phone calls I have ever taken. "I am ashamed for the first time in my career." This veteran US Special forces soldier has trained indigenous forces on multiple continents. He is on the frontlines tonight and said they are witnessing Turkish atrocities. "Turkey is not doing what it agreed to. It's horrible," this military source on the ground told me. "We met every single security agreement. The Kurds met every single agreement. There was NO threat to the Turks - NONE - from this side of the border." "This is insanity," the concerned US service member told me. ""I don't know what they call atrocities but they are happening." This American soldier told me the Kurds have not left their positions guarding the ISIS prisoners. In fact "they prevented a prison break last night without us." "They are not abandoning our side (yet)." The Kurds are "pleading for our support." We are doing "nothing." Troops on the ground in Syria and their commanders were "surprised" by the decision Sunday night. Of the President's decision: "He doesn't understand the problem. He doesn't understand the repercussions of this. Erdogan is an Islamist, not a level headed actor." Acc to this US soldier on the ground tonight in Syria: "The Kurds are as close to Western thinking in the Middle East as anyone. "It's a shame. It's horrible." "This is not helping the ISIS fight." Re: ISIS prisoners: "Many of them will be free in the coming days and weeks." This US Special Forces soldier wanted me to know: "The Kurds are sticking by us. No other partner I have ever dealt with would stand by us." Disappointed in the decisions coming from their senior leaders. Keep believing in Putin’s Puppet Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Trump gave Turkey the green light.
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The Kurds they are fighting are the PKK, pretty much the Bad Guy Commies. Of course Turkey calls all the Kurds PKK which is pretty far from the truth. The Kurds have been ifghting Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran long before the first time someone shouted Allah Akbar. SOME of them worked with us to kill ISIS, they were going to fight them anyway. Quote:
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Do you think the Turks will figure out who’s PKK or just kill them all and let God sort them out. Ask an Armenian
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I did ask an Armenian.
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This move is nothing short of dishonorable...
Further, it plays right into Putin's playbook... Turkish interests here have nothing to do with US interests. Consider this; Turkey has banned the word Kurd, and any variants, from its language and jails anyone speaking the Kurdish language. That's solid modern thinking, right? The Russians went it alone in Afghanistan, and were forced to withdraw. They are not going to make the same mistakes in this region again, but the motives are much the same as they were back then. Just playing with different officials in the countries... Money, arms, food, all the same collateral we use to influence and buy friends. |
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Not sure you really care to the point in your quest to opposite Trump on everything. The Turks don't care. They will kill them all, like the Armenians, Persians, Sunnis, Shias, Cossacks, Azerberjiani, and every other big and small groups within a thousand miles. It is what they do. |
President Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday Ankara will send the 3.6 million Syrian refugees in Turkey to Europe if European countries label the country's military incursion in Syria as an occupation.
There is Zero chance the Pentagon or our intel agency's. Wasnt aware of this build up. So Trump knew all along . And he green lighted the op with the promise to pull out of the operation area.. He loves his Strong men Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
He has so much family interests tied up in Turkey is it really surprising anyone? Allies make us stronger, Trump doesn’t understand the benefits of multiple allies and clearly doesn’t understand the long term harm by abandoning one in their time of need.
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Big difference in having financial interest and allowing a foreign leader tell you what they want and obliging to protect those interests. Now I’m not saying that is specifically what happened, but it’s pretty clear one phone call made the difference. No consultation with our partners, our allies, our military, just Cheeto making a decision on his own because he is the smartest president of all time as he has told us repeatedly. Most every other president has put interests in a blind trust and have divulged their taxes, Trump as King and above the law and accepted practice, believes he can do anything.
I believe the republican tide is changing, this move to green light Turkeys occupation will make the impeachment vote in the senate a lot closer than he’d like. There is no cure for stupid and this move was beyond stupid, it’s insane. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Just what did Erdogan and Kusher talk about in their late February meeting in Ankara?
Who else was there to represent the US government? Why did Erdogan go silent about Kashoggi? Did Erdogan sell out Hamas to be able to attack the Kurds without interference, and we agreed to it? There is always a quid pro quo in these negotiations. |
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