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Got Stripers 10-21-2019 05:47 PM

President vs Constitution
 
When commenting on why he dropped the Doral location over flack over the emoluments clause in the constitution, he said the president should be able to run the country without worrying about this crap.

Most of my posts on this board, regardless of what the blue font pontificator Mr. D might suggest, are in fact reactions to events or actions taken by this administration and I guess our POTUS believes some of the constitution is just plain crap.

I guess it’s time to do a re-write.

detbuch 10-21-2019 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1177561)
When commenting on why he dropped the Doral location over flack over the emoluments clause in the constitution, he said the president should be able to run the country without worrying about this crap.

Most of my posts on this board, regardless of what the blue font pontificator Mr. D might suggest, are in fact reactions to events or actions taken by this administration and I guess our POTUS believes some of the constitution is just plain crap.

I guess it’s time to do a re-write.

Regardless of your pontificating spin, I don't think Trump's "this" referred to the Constitution.

Got Stripers 10-21-2019 07:07 PM

So you claim I constantly post things that aren’t true, yet you acknowledge personal take on things might differ, thanks for making my point. What I feel is true and what you feel is true can both be right based on point of view. I still feel in his opinion the clause in the constitution raising such a fuss on both sides was crap, because he wanted his property to host the event and he feels he as president should be allowed to govern as he feels fit. It’s his MO.
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detbuch 10-21-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1177565)
So you claim I constantly post things that aren’t true, yet you acknowledge personal take on things might differ, thanks for making my point.

No, I didn't say you constantly post things that aren't true. I said you "just say stuff as if saying it made it true." And no, I'm not making your point. You're proving mine. You said that Trump "believes some of the constitution is just plain crap." You just said it, as if it were true, without any evidence that he believes that. He didn't specifically say it. Nor has he ever said it or implied it. You had no evident reason to do so.

What I feel is true and what you feel is true can both be right based on point of view. I still feel in his opinion the clause in the constitution raising such a fuss on both sides was crap, because he wanted his property to host the event and he feels he as president should be allowed to govern as he feels fit. It’s his MO.

You may "feel" that the Clause, in his opinion, was the reason for the fuss, but what evidence do you have that he had that opinion. Was it that because the Clause existed, it in and of itself was crap and that crap was being used to make a fuss about his wanting to host the event on his property, or was it that the Clause was being erroneously used to needlessly stir up the fuss. His legal staff had counseled him re hosting the G7 at Doral, and they didn't think there would be a conflict. Were they right or wrong--that would have been a good question to argue in the courts.

And you're doing it again. You're blatantly just saying his MO is to feel as President he should be allowed to govern as he feels fit. As if you have some authority on how he feels.

Pete F. 10-21-2019 09:08 PM

No problem Trump is in the clear because the Emoluments Clause isn't real and George Washington had two desks and Obama inked a Netflix deal in 2018.
That’s what he said today in public, though perhaps he was exaggerating.
Just making sure I'm understanding how he feels correctly.
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detbuch 10-21-2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1177573)
No problem Trump is in the clear because the Emoluments Clause isn't real and George Washington had two desks and Obama inked a Netflix deal in 2018.
That’s what he said today in public, though perhaps he was exaggerating.
Just making sure I'm understanding how he feels correctly.
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Oh "crap" here we go again. He obviously meant that using the Emoluments Clause in the Doral case was phony, not that the Clause itself is. I mean, come on, it would make no sense to say that something that obviously, without a doubt, irrefutably exists doesn't exist. He obviously knows the Clause exists, he made reference to it (for Pete's sake). You guys refuse to accept Trumpspeak. It's the way he talks. Clipped statements that often skip the rest of the idea.

There isn't universal agreement that the Emoluments Clause means that all businesses of a President must stop while in office. Surprise, surprise--I agree with the following article that the there is an over expansive understanding of the Clause. And that what Trump said (OK, what he meant) is correct. It is an earlier article re another case, but the analysis applies to Doral:

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/h...luments-clause

Pete F. 10-21-2019 09:48 PM

In your America the law is kinda, sorta followed because ya know, Trump didn’t really mean that, he meant it’s good, sort of, like.
If you actually listen to him you’ll figure out that what Tillerson said is true.
Not kinda sorta.
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detbuch 10-21-2019 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1177579)
In your America the law is kinda, sorta followed because ya know, Trump didn’t really mean that, he meant it’s good, sort of, like.
If you actually listen to him you’ll figure out that what Tillerson said is true.
Not kinda sorta.
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In other words, you got nothin'.

Pete F. 10-22-2019 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1177580)
In other words, you got nothin'.

Your something is his words don’t mean anything in English, but are in a special language that only his followers can comprehend.
I hear the Stable Genius was on Hannity last night, perhaps you will provide translation services for the linguistically challenged.
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scottw 10-22-2019 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1177571)

I said you "just say stuff as if saying it made it true."

he pontificates a lot....

scottw 10-22-2019 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1177582)

Your something is his words don’t mean anything in English, but are in a special language that only his followers can comprehend.

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:shocked:

Pete F. 10-22-2019 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1177587)
:shocked:

=Trump has spent more taxpayer money at his own resorts than any prior President took in salary in 8 years.

scottw 10-22-2019 07:03 AM

I give him credit for getting up and going to work every day while suffering relentless, mindless attacks from unhinged lunatics everywhere from congress to the mainstream media to the sb political threads daily(or in pete's case...hourly) since the first hours of his presidency......

Pete F. 10-22-2019 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1177595)
I give him credit for getting up and watching TV and tweeting every day while suffering relentless, mindless attacks from unhinged lunatics everywhere from congress to the mainstream media to the sb political threads daily(or in pete's case...hourly) since the first hours of his presidency......

Fixed it for you

Why he's getting lynched.....and what is the translation of that?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
So some day, if a Democrat becomes President and the Republicans win the House, even by a tiny margin, they can impeach the President, without due process or fairness or any legal rights. All Republicans must remember what they are witnessing here - a lynching. But we will WIN!
7:52 AM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

scottw 10-22-2019 07:25 AM

he's an effective multi-takser

Pete F. 10-22-2019 08:01 AM

I thought he was trying for the black sympathy vote.

Got Stripers 10-22-2019 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1177571)
You may "feel" that the Clause, in his opinion, was the reason for the fuss, but what evidence do you have that he had that opinion. Was it that because the Clause existed, it in and of itself was crap and that crap was being used to make a fuss about his wanting to host the event on his property, or was it that the Clause was being erroneously used to needlessly stir up the fuss. His legal staff had counseled him re hosting the G7 at Doral, and they didn't think there would be a conflict. Were they right or wrong--that would have been a good question to argue in the courts.

And you're doing it again. You're blatantly just saying his MO is to feel as President he should be allowed to govern as he feels fit. As if you have some authority on how he feels.

When your defense of the location is my "legal" staff said it's ok, you are already behind the 8-ball, look at his own personal lawyer.

wdmso 10-22-2019 08:52 AM

Earlier on Tuesday, Russian military helicopters landed at the Tabqa airbase after US troops left, criticizing the use of inflammatory rhetoric. (Lynching) is of course seen by the Faithful as suffering relentless, mindless attacks from unhinged lunatics everywhere from congress to the mainstream media to the sb political threads..

COMPLETELY ignoring the person responsible for the headlines.... unless its a conspiracy theory the Right presents ..everything else is a Lie.. its sad to watch how well they play the victims but evryone else are Snowflakes
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scottw 10-22-2019 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1177610)
Earlier on Tuesday, Russian military helicopters landed at the Tabqa airbase after US troops left, criticizing the use of inflammatory rhetoric. (Lynching) is of course seen by the Faithful as suffering relentless, mindless attacks from unhinged lunatics everywhere from congress to the mainstream media to the sb political threads..

COMPLETELY ignoring the person responsible for the headlines.... unless its a conspiracy theory the Right presents ..everything else is a Lie.. its sad to watch how well they play the victims but evryone else are Snowflakes
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this is nuttier than a trump tweet

scottw 10-22-2019 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1177609)
When your defense of the location is my "legal" staff said it's ok, you are already behind the 8-ball, look at his own personal lawyer.

"no controlling legal authority"

Pete F. 10-22-2019 09:33 AM

Trump claimed that he turned the Trump organization over to his sons, how is it that now it has become I and my resort?
Must be more of that Trump-speak with its vague and evolving interpretations
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detbuch 10-22-2019 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1177582)
Your something is his words don’t mean anything in English, but are in a special language that only his followers can comprehend.
I hear the Stable Genius was on Hannity last night, perhaps you will provide translation services for the linguistically challenged.
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Further demonstrating that you got nothin'.

detbuch 10-22-2019 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1177609)
When your defense of the location is my "legal" staff said it's ok, you are already behind the 8-ball, look at his own personal lawyer.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. Perhaps you communicate in a sort of Got-Stripers-Speak.

detbuch 10-22-2019 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1177613)
Trump claimed that he turned the Trump organization over to his sons, how is it that now it has become I and my resort?
Must be more of that Trump-speak with its vague and evolving interpretations
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Even more got nothin's.

Pete F. 10-22-2019 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1177618)
Even more got nothin's.

🍑
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detbuch 10-22-2019 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1177623)
🍑
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Still nothin'.

Pete F. 10-22-2019 10:43 AM

We'll see

The DC Circuit court just scheduled arguments in congressional Democrats' emoluments clause case against Trump for Dec. 9. The en banc 4th Circuit is already set to hear arguments in the emoluments case brought by DC/MD later that week, on Dec. 12.

wdmso 10-22-2019 03:19 PM

to use a Republican argument If Trump didn't do anything wrong with having the G7 meeting at His resort ... Why did he back out?

he's never cared what Dems or the media has said before

but he seems to care about this GOP lawmakers openly revolting against Trump’s ‘indefensible’ decision to hold G7 at his golf resort


but we know he is just getting picked on:smash:

detbuch 10-22-2019 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1177635)
to use a Republican argument If Trump didn't do anything wrong with having the G7 meeting at His resort ... Why did he back out?

Discretion is the better part of valor

he's never cared what Dems or the media has said before

Well, yeah, he has cared. He always responds. In any event, even if he never did, do you have something against a first time.

but he seems to care about this GOP lawmakers openly revolting against Trump’s ‘indefensible’ decision to hold G7 at his golf resort

I know anti-Trumpers think he is dumb. So you just couldn't conceive of him making a smart move. But it was smart. Not worth the trouble. Small potatoes. But I know for those with TDS every little thing he does is earth shakingly evil and must be investigated.

but we know he is just getting picked on:smash:

Well . . . not "just" . . . and not merely picking.

Got Stripers 10-22-2019 03:49 PM

Can’t even imagine how you see that choice of venues a smart move, but I really think I will find your explanation amusing. The optics alone make it clear to me, he needs some better people advising him, but for his entire term it’s just not his style to listen to experts.
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detbuch 10-22-2019 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1177637)
Can’t even imagine how you see that choice of venues a smart move, but I really think I will find your explanation amusing. The optics alone make it clear to me, he needs some better people advising him, but for his entire term it’s just not his style to listen to experts.
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Explain what? Did I say that it was smart to choose Doral? And there you go again just saying stuff--"it's just not his style to listen to experts." From what little evidence there is on that, he always listens. Sometime he agrees. Sometimes he disagrees.

spence 10-22-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1177638)
Explain what? Did I say that it was smart to choose Doral? And there you go again just saying stuff--"it's just not his style to listen to experts." From what little evidence there is on that, he always listens. Sometime he agrees. Sometimes he disagrees.

You seemed to think that his lawyers found Doral to be acceptable which I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. Given the revolving door on Trump's more credible staff I'd say he doesn't listen to experts much at all, he thinks he's the expert.

Pete F. 10-22-2019 05:01 PM

I think the point is moot now for a number of reasons but a couple of things would rule out Doral
1. Right next to a major airport, while you might think easy air access is good the airspace over these meetings is restricted to no flights. Just how would that work for Miami airport?
2. Surrounding area population density is too high to have a meeting of the most high value targets in the world, security would cost a fortune
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Got Stripers 10-22-2019 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1177638)
Explain what? Did I say that it was smart to choose Doral? And there you go again just saying stuff--"it's just not his style to listen to experts." From what little evidence there is on that, he always listens. Sometime he agrees. Sometimes he disagrees.

Well when diplomats tasked for years to understand the dynamics of Syria and the Middle East were asked if they were consulted prior to the US pull out, the answer was no, what about this pattern do you not understand?
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detbuch 10-22-2019 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1177639)
You seemed to think that his lawyers found Doral to be acceptable which I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion.

I didn't say it was smart. I had read a report re his lawyers. Perhaps it was "fake news." Are you saying that his lawyers didn't? If so, how did you arrive at that conclusion? Or are you "just saying"?


Given the revolving door on Trump's more credible staff I'd say he doesn't listen to experts much at all, he thinks he's the expert.

More just saying stuff? If you say so, it must be true?

detbuch 10-22-2019 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1177642)
Well when diplomats tasked for years to understand the dynamics of Syria and the Middle East were asked if they were consulted prior to the US pull out, the answer was no, what about this pattern do you not understand?
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So you're saying that means he never listens to his experts?

Got Stripers 10-22-2019 05:17 PM

Do I need to spell it out, it’s his style, flying solo based on his thought process and without any input. OMG could I be any clearer, I thought I only needed pictures for SD.
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detbuch 10-22-2019 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1177606)
I thought he was trying for the black sympathy vote.

Because only blacks were ever lynched. Because the word "lynch" can only be used as a reference to blacks. Because using the word "lynch" will make blacks vote for you--(Actually it would have the opposite effect).

Looked up the word "lynching"--"(of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial." No mention of blacks being a basic or required part of the definition referentially or otherwise. Probably an outmoded definition that is no longer useful in the new age.

I guess the word "lynching" has been redefined by our Progressive language commissars and must join other words with new politically prescribed meaning--such as happened to the word "racist."

detbuch 10-22-2019 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1177647)
Do I need to spell it out, it’s his style, flying solo based on his thought process and without any input. OMG could I be any clearer, I thought I only needed pictures for SD.
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Oh, you're being very clear. You're stating your unverified opinion very clearly. And for you, you're saying so makes it true.

Got Stripers 10-22-2019 05:45 PM

Well it’s well reported by People inside the White House he doesn’t trust or rely on intel, briefings or experts; it’s NOT my opinion I’m relaying to you. Do I agree with what I’ve read and has been reported in this regard, absolutely.
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