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Pete F. 12-09-2019 11:28 AM

The Cult of Trump
 
"The Republican Party today is not loyal to principles as such, but loyal to the person of Donald Trump. He is really a cult figure. Nixon was not a cult figure."
Former Republican Representative Bill Cohen-Maine

So it's pretty telling that it’s one of the rites of passage into the Cult of Trump and the modern Trumplican Party that, like Nikki Haley, you have to publicly legitimize the Confederacy, a racist, treasonous, nightmarish dystopia founded on white supremacy and stark economic hierarchies.

Now to ensure obedience, the Georgia and North Carolina Trumplican parties decided this week that Donald Trump will be the only name on their 2020 presidential primary ballots, and they aren’t alone. The Minnesota Trumplican Party pulled the same move a few weeks ago, and earlier the Trumplican parties in South Carolina, Arizona, Kansas, Nevada and Alaska canceled their nominating contests outright. The party is disenfranchising Republican voters in eight states—so far.

Fear not there is help for you

https://www.decision-making-confiden...pe-a-cult.html

Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 11:41 AM

Thank you for sharing this valuable opinion PeteF. I believe this is enough to impeach and surely it will keep the offenders out of the heaven known as the democratic party. Good,solid reporting as usual.
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Jim in CT 12-09-2019 11:59 AM

Uhhh, Nikki Haley is the governor who took the flags down, isn’t she?

Howling at the moon...

There are confederate soldiers buried at Arlington. Should we remove them?
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PaulS 12-09-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1181508)
Uhhh, Nikki Haley is the governor who took the flags down, isn’t she? she did but she seems to have backtracked on the flag issue.

Howling at the moon...More insults from you.

There are confederate soldiers buried at Arlington. Should we remove them?
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If the soldiers never fought for the US Army, exhume them and throw their bodies in the trash.

Jim in CT 12-09-2019 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181509)
If the soldiers never fought for the US Army, exhume them and throw their bodies in the trash.

the world was different then, than it is today. the left really struggles with that concept.
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PaulS 12-09-2019 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1181511)
the world was different then, than it is today. the left really struggles with that concept.
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Is it too late to right a wrong?

Exhume those traitorous POS and throw them in the garbage. If there are some family members or those states in the traitorous south wants to rebury them - they can have the bones. I don't want to pay to cut the grass over their bones. Does the right not understand that?

The Dad Fisherman 12-09-2019 12:42 PM

Oh look, Paul is trolling for racists. Hopefully nobody takes the bait.
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PaulS 12-09-2019 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1181514)
Oh look, Paul is trolling for racists. Hopefully nobody takes the bait.
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I don't understand how anybody can support those POS still being in the same spots w/our heroes. Too bad you don't understand.

Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1181514)
Oh look, Paul is trolling for racists. Hopefully nobody takes the bait.
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Grasping at straws,it’s all he has left.
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Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181515)
I don't understand how anybody can support those POS still being in the same spots w/our heroes. Too bad you don't understand.

Thank you for sharing your feelings today.🤠
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Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 01:21 PM

We are lucky to have heroes that died so we can press 1 for English.
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Pete F. 12-09-2019 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1181518)
We are lucky to have heroes that died so we can press 1 for English.
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Now I understand the problem, it's the brown people.

You've been victimized and need to take back what you see as “your” country from the recently arrived interlopers.

Jim in CT 12-09-2019 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181512)
Is it too late to right a wrong?

Exhume those traitorous POS and throw them in the garbage. If there are some family members or those states in the traitorous south wants to rebury them - they can have the bones. I don't want to pay to cut the grass over their bones. Does the right not understand that?

Never, ever too late to right a wrong. But we need to be sane and logical about judging people from centuries before. Pretty sure you knew what I meant.

In general, the Confederate cause was treasonous and beyond racist by today’s standards. (The right knows this, because as we all know, it was predominantly judeo-christian conservatives who led he abolitionists. ). But there were many confederate soldiers who fought for something other than slavery.

It’s hard to imagine he founding fathers owning slaves, but some
did. That was the world then. Do we take down all monuments to all of them? Re-name the nations capital? Where does it stop?
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Pete F. 12-09-2019 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1181511)
the world was different then, than it is today. the left really struggles with that concept.
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Let’s be clear: The Confederate battle flag we know today is an emblem of oppression, white supremacy and the fight to maintain slavery. That is its heritage.

William T. Thompson wrote in an 1863 editorial about the “Stainless Banner,” the second national flag of the Confederacy, “Our idea is simply to combine the present battle flag with a pure white standard sheet.” He continued, “As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematic of our cause.”

In South Carolina, the Confederate battle flag made a slow march to greater prominence as civil rights for black people were asserted or attained, beginning by being displayed in the State House in 1938 “after angry Southerners in Congress managed to defeat a bill that would have made lynching a federal crime” and reaching the top of the dome on the Capitol in 1962 “after President John F. Kennedy called on Congress to end poll taxes and literacy tests for voting and the Supreme Court struck down segregation in public transportation.”

Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1181520)
Now I understand the problem, it's the brown people.

You've been victimized and need to take back what you see as “your” country from the recently arrived interlopers.

What does my statement have to do with skin color?

Oh...and No, I am not a victim but you sure are creative.👍🏿
This is OUR country. All citizens that is.
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Pete F. 12-09-2019 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1181525)
What does my statement have to do with skin color?

Oh...and No, I am not a victim but you sure are creative.👍🏿
This is OUR country. All citizens that is.
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Then what does this statement mean, are you just celebrating diversity?

"We are lucky to have heroes that died so we can press 1 for English."

Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 02:17 PM

Try some critical thinking for a change.
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PaulS 12-09-2019 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1181531)
Try some critical thinking for a change.
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You should take your own advice.

The Dad Fisherman 12-09-2019 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181515)
I don't understand how anybody can support those POS still being in the same spots w/our heroes. Too bad you don't understand.

They were pardoned Paul, every single one of them. In order to heal the country and move forward. I know that’s a foreign concept to those still pissing and moaning about Columbus Day, but I’ve moved on from it.
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PaulS 12-09-2019 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1181530)
Then what does this statement mean, are you just celebrating diversity?

He won't respond bc he doesn't know what to say.

PaulS 12-09-2019 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1181533)
They were pardoned Paul, every single one of them. In order to heal the country and move forward. I know that’s a foreign concept to those still pissing and moaning about Columbus Day, but I’ve moved on from it.
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We didn't have to move their graves and give them their own section of the Arlington.

Pete F. 12-09-2019 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1181531)
Try some critical thinking for a change.
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Try it on this

Washington Post has chronicled 12,000 instances of Trump making false statements. But the Trumplicans say he ought to be taken at this word when he said there was no quid pro quo. After all, if he did push a quid pro quo, there's no way he would lie about that, right?

The Dad Fisherman 12-09-2019 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181535)
We didn't have to move their graves and give them their own section of the Arlington.

Move on, Paul, help heal the nation
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Jim in CT 12-09-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1181547)
Move on, Paul, help heal the nation
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that’s not exactly the lefts motto these days...
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PaulS 12-09-2019 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1181548)
that’s not exactly the lefts motto these days...
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Says the person who needs to respond to almost every post in this forum that they disagree with for how many years. All hours of the day and night, week days and week nights.

At least you have provided a good.:laughs: there.

scottw 12-09-2019 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181549)
Says the person who needs to respond to almost every post in this forum that they disagree with for how many years. All hours of the day and night, week days and week nights.

At least you have provided a good.:laughs: there.

snarky

PaulS 12-09-2019 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1181547)
Move on, Paul, help heal the nation
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Screw those traitors (and their supporters).

PaulS 12-09-2019 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1181550)
snarky

You must be rubbing off on me.

I did leave out weekends.

Jim in CT 12-09-2019 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181549)
Says the person who needs to respond to almost every post in this forum that they disagree with for how many years. All hours of the day and night, week days and week nights.

At least you have provided a good.:laughs: there.

i don’t see responding, and having the ability to move on, as being mutually exclusive. Your frustration is showing. Remember to save yourself some room for foaming at the mouth, for when we get closer to the election.
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Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1181536)
Try it on this

Washington Post has chronicled 12,000 instances of Trump making false statements. But the Trumplicans say he ought to be taken at this word when he said there was no quid pro quo. After all, if he did push a quid pro quo, there's no way he would lie about that, right?

You know exactly what I mean so stop playing dumb.
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Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181534)
He won't respond bc he doesn't know what to say.

You are not playing dumb.
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PaulS 12-09-2019 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1181554)
i don’t see responding, and having the ability to move on, as being mutually exclusive. Your frustration is showing. Remember to save yourself some room for foaming at the mouth, for when we get closer to the election.
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What would lead you to believe I was frustrated? As I said, I don't feel the need to constantly post - pretty much every day of the year, multiple times a day like you do.

I'm not foaming at the mouth. If you want to see a real angry guy, look at the loser who made this post:


vague insults from a little
twerp who can never criticize his own side or compliment the other side. bleating of the sheep XXXX, that’s 90% of what you do. what did i stay exactly, that was wrong?

from a guy who literally couldn’t bring himself
to showup here for weeks after the election.

Pete F. 12-09-2019 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1181518)
We are lucky to have heroes that died so we can press 1 for English.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1181520)
Now I understand the problem, it's the brown people.

You've been victimized and need to take back what you see as “your” country from the recently arrived interlopers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1181525)
What does my statement have to do with skin color?

Oh...and No, I am not a victim but you sure are creative.👍🏿
This is OUR country. All citizens that is.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1181530)
Then what does this statement mean, are you just celebrating diversity?

"We are lucky to have heroes that died so we can press 1 for English."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1181531)
Try some critical thinking for a change.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1181556)
You know exactly what I mean so stop playing dumb.
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You must just be too obtuse or deep for me to understand.

scottw 12-09-2019 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181558)

I'm not foaming at the mouth.

.

ummmm...you want to dig up dead people....sooooo

PaulS 12-09-2019 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1181561)
ummmm...you want to dig up dead people....sooooo

scummy traitors. They were dug up 1x before.

scottw 12-09-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181562)
scummy traitors. They were dug up 1x before.

Maybe you could deface a statue or headstones or something to help with that anger. Be sure to headbutt them a few times for good measure
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detbuch 12-09-2019 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181562)
scummy traitors. They were dug up 1x before.

They were not traitors. Perhaps you couldn't answer if states are necessary because you don't understand why they were not traitors.

At the time, states had a lot more of their sovereignty intact than they do now. Their states had seceded from the union. They were patriots of the states they fought for, not traitors.

I understand Lincoln's argument that states could not secede without approval of the other states with whom they had a legal compact. But it wasn't clear then, nor totally so now, that the southern states did not have the right to secede. It certainly would be unfair to ask the average southerner what the complicated legal arguments were.

They fought with the same fidelity for their country as did the Union soldiers. Their sovereign states were their primary country, and the Confederacy was the new union to which their states belonged.

Lincoln understood that and saw no need to compound unnecessary animosities and to recognize the tragedy of brothers, literal or national, who were called to so brutally slaughter each other. Lincoln was not at all happy about having to kill so much of the flowering manhood of the South. He would have been repulsed by your point of view.

The Dad Fisherman 12-09-2019 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181562)
scummy traitors. They were dug up 1x before.

https://media.tenor.com/images/a3dba...d251/tenor.gif
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JohnR 12-09-2019 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1181515)
I don't understand how anybody can support those POS still being in the same spots w/our heroes. Too bad you don't understand.


350 thousand Union soldier casualties and thousands of others to keep this country together and yet we are re-litigating everything today all over again.


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1181533)
They were pardoned Paul, every single one of them. In order to heal the country and move forward. I know that’s a foreign concept to those still pissing and moaning about Columbus Day, but I’ve moved on from it.
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^^^ This.




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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1181569)
They were not traitors. Perhaps you couldn't answer if states are necessary because you don't understand why they were not traitors.

At the time, states had a lot more of their sovereignty intact than they do now. Their states had seceded from the union. They were patriots of the states they fought for, not traitors.

I understand Lincoln's argument that states could not secede without approval of the other states with whom they had a legal compact. But it wasn't clear then, nor totally so now, that the southern states did not have the right to secede. It certainly would be unfair to ask the average southerner what the complicated legal arguments were.

They fought with the same fidelity for their country as did the Union soldiers. Their sovereign states were their primary country, and the Confederacy was the new union to which their states belonged.

Lincoln understood that and saw no need to compound unnecessary animosities and to recognize the tragedy of brothers, literal or national, who were called to so brutally slaughter each other. Lincoln was not at all happy about having to kill so much of the flowering manhood of the South. He would have been repulsed by your point of view.

Col Robert E Lee resigned his commission from the US Army when he was asked by General Winfield Scott to take the reigns of the US Army. But to take command of the US Army would required Lee to invade his home state of Virginia. Would you attack CT if directed so from New York regardless of the reason? I do not condone his fighting for the CSA but I can understand when he said he had no desire to draw a sword except in the defense of his home state, which was Virginia, and his home, which is now (appropriately IMO) Arlington National Cemetery.

A terrible war, mismanaged by both sides, as a result of bad politicians and politics on both sides, and a horrible reconstruction afterward.

Many of the points being re-litigated today were resolved then and the ones that were not (subjugating black people for example) we need to a better job on fixing and making fair today. Revisionist history and re-contesting of 150 years ago under today's standards is entirely unfair, unjust, and impossible without serious consequences.

The debt to keep this country together was paid for in blood, 150 years ago.

Sea Dangles 12-09-2019 07:37 PM

I am sure Paul would have run away from the problem like a good liberal.
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