Biden has a great plan for WV coal miners
 

Biden says the people
currently digging coal in WV, can realistically transition to working as computer programmers.

Biden said “anyone who can shovel coal into a furnace, can write code.”

I’m sure the people who teach programming have some interesting opinions on that statement. And he’s the best hope the democrats have.

The man believes shoveling coal and writing code, require similar skills and intellect.

Curious what John R and TDF have to say.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/joe-bi...ObNAjxWSkaABCQ

I can’t believe you’d just slam coal miners as being stupid.
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I really think that chronic menstruation is getting to your brain.

I'm not saying they're stupid. I'm saying that Biden is stupid (and you, for defending him), for assuming that the skills required to dig coal, are obviously and easily transferable to writing code. What could be more different? How does proficiency in one, suggest proficiency at the other?

You should really be apologizing to women for your repeated offensive remarks Jim.
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To start you and Trumplican media misquoted him and only quoted the words that pushed your narrative.

"Does anybody think you're going to be able to stay in the middle class in the 20s and 30s of the 21st century without better education? Now brawn is no longer the measure. I come from a family, an area where there is coal mining, in Scranton. Anybody who can go down 300-3000 feet in a mine sure enough can learn how to program as well. But we don't think of it that way."

Odd that you allow your hero, Floridaman, all sorts of misstatements but seize on words that could have been better chosen by others, Covfefe?

Or are you saying that coal miners are too stupid and deplorable?

If you haven't figured it out yet coal mining is over. It isn't coming back.

sorry. there, i did it.
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Now you should be apologizing to coal miners for insulting their intellect.
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where did i misquote? i quoted a different section of his speech.

But let’s stick with what you quoted. By what asinine logic, could
anyone believe that if you can descend 300 feet into a mine, THAT means you can learn to write code? Anyone who has ever been in an elevator that goes down, can make a living writing computer code? How can anyone say something that stupid out loud? And you reddens it, because a democrat said it. If Trump said it, you’d have posted a 10,000 word essay written by one of the Young Turks.

Trump has broken your brains.

Some coal miners might be brilliant at writing code. But no one can predict that, based on the fact that they go down an elevator shaft into a mine. That act, says nothing about one’s ability to write code.

Pete, if i applied for 1,000 jobs writing code, during how many interviews, would
my prospective employer say “I don’t care about your experience writing code. What we really need to know is, can you go down 300 feet and dig coal?”

How many times would
that question come up? If you’re
answer isn’t “never”, you’re batsh*t crazy.
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A photo of a job fair Microsoft held today for open programming positions, on the campus of M.I.T. Students no longer need to work in computer labs.

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I think we have Jim’s first melt down of the new year
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Start reading slowly from the beginning, "Does anybody think you're going to be able to stay in the middle class in the 20s and 30s of the 21st century without better education? Now brawn is no longer the measure." You can't figure out what he is saying?

You're worried about one word and claim it broke my brain, yet you're supporting the man who discovered windmill cancer and repeatedly demonstrates his "humility" and "intelligence".

'I had some beautiful pictures taken in which I had a big smile on my face. I looked happy, I looked content, I looked like a very nice person, which in theory I am.'

'The beauty of me is that I’m very rich.'

(On the Duchess of Cambridge) 'Who wouldn’t take Kate’s picture and make lots of money if she does the nude sunbathing thing. Come on, Kate!'

'I think I am actually humble. I think I’m much more humble than you would understand.'

'I’m intelligent. Some people would say I’m very, very, very intelligent.”

“I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke.' (well once in awhile, he's right)

'Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest – and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.'

'Being nice to Rocket Man hasn't worked in 25 years, why would it work now? Clinton failed, Bush failed, and Obama failed. I won't fail.’ (Kim Jong-un came to power in 2011).

'My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars.'

'While Bette Midler is an extremely unattractive woman, I refuse to say that because I always insist on being politically correct.'

(On exporting goods to China) 'Listen, you m-----f------, we're going to tax you 25 per cent!'

(To Cher) 'I don’t wear a 'rug'— it’s mine. And I promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn’t work.'

'I think Viagra is wonderful if you need it, if you have medical issues, if you’ve had surgery. I’ve just never needed it. Frankly, I wouldn’t mind if there were an anti-Viagra, something with the opposite effect. I’m not bragging. I’m just lucky. I don’t need it. I’ve always said, "If you need Viagra, you’re probably with the wrong girl."'

(On Puerto Rico) 'This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water.'

'People love me. And you know what? I've been very successful. Everybody loves me.'

'My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.'

'I think the only difference between me and other candidates is that I'm more honest and my women are more beautiful.'

'All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected.'

'I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.'

'A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10.'

'You know, it really doesn't matter what the media write as long as you've got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.'

'Number one, I have great respect for women. I was the one that really broke the glass ceiling on behalf of women, more than anybody in the construction industry. My relationship, I think, is going to end up being very good with women.'

'Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!' (the day after the Brexit vote)

'It's freezing and snowing in New York – we need global warming!'
'The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive.'

'By the way, I have great respect for China. I have many Chinese friends. They live in my buildings all over the place.'

'I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible.'

'I do know what to do and I would know how to bring Isil to the table or, beyond that, defeat Isil very quickly. And I'm not gonna tell you what it is.'

'An "extremely credible source" has called my office and told me that Barack Obama's birth certificate is a fraud.'

'And did you notice that baby was crying through half of the speech and I didn't get angry? Not once. Did you notice that? That baby was driving me crazy. I didn't get angry once because I didn't want to insult the parents for not taking the kid out of the room!'

"Something very important, and indeed society-changing, may come out of the Ebola epidemic that will be a very good thing: NO SHAKING HANDS!'

'The worst thing a man can do is go bald. Never let yourself go bald.'

Saw this on 60 minutes a couple of years back.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/out-of-...uter-industry/


The transition, with training can also be made to solar and wind energy jobs. The hardest hit are the boomers who aren't old enough to retire but aren't young enough to often have the skills inherent in the younger generation because of lifelong exposure to technology...

Pete, no one disagrees with Biden, that you can no longer mine coal and expect to be upper middle class. If he had stopped there, that would be fine. But he didnt stop there. He said that if you can dig coal, that translates into an ability to write computer code. That’s what is laughably absurd. Why did he pick writing code? What possible
correlation can there be, between writing code, and digging coal?
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Jim, just curious. Are you crying right now?
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the leading democratic candidate, says on TV that digging coal is correlated to writing computer code. All of you are defending him.

You think this makes me sad?

Biden humiliated himself, and you guys are defending him. i’m loving it, not crying. Thanks for asking, though, I guess.
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:wave:

Here is another one...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/b...ergy-jobs.html

Coal is not coming back anytime soon. We need to realize it, and figure out how best to move those areas on economically in the future.

i did not. I denied a correlation between their skill, and the skills required to write code.

Spence, what’s the connection between mining coal and writing code? Why would
ability in one field, say anything about ones ability in the other field?
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Try to expand your thinking, not every sentence and the meaning is black or white. Could be he meant to imply if you have the balls and determination to take on such a dangerous and inherently unhealthy job in order to support your family, that with training that same drive might be enough to learn skills that might result in a better living wage.

I’m far from a computer expert and that is an understatement, but when I started my hobby Ledge Runner Bait business back in the late 80’s, I just didn’t have the money to pay anyone to design a web site, so I picked up an HTML book for dummies and with some reading, lots of patience and trial and error, I think the web site turned out decent.

So yes Biden may have hinted, desire, training and patience might be enough, stretch your partisan brain and maybe you can read between the lines.

bryan, i want them to all have great jobs. that doesn’t mean that the skills required to mine coal, translate to writing code. i’ll
ask you what spence and pete won’t answer.

What does one’s ability to mine coal, say about one’s ability to write code? What’s the correlation?

Actuaries are as bright a group as i’ve ever encountered. So are doctors. That doesn’t mean that good actuaries make good doctors. And that’s not an insult to
anyone. Some jobs are so different, that being good at one, doesn’t predict the ability to be good at another. Many miners might make good programmers, but you can’t tell
that by virtue of the fact that they are miners.

This is really controversial?
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Directly, probably few.
But the so called soft skills that are intrinsic to jobs absolutely translate between fields (organization, management, leadership, communication etc..)

I don't think anyone, Biden included is implying you walk out of the mine straight to a job writing code. But with the training and opportunities, many absolutely can transition to other careers. Models exist showing that it can work. Many of these folks went into mining because it was there and available. Not because their intellect was lacking or that their particular skills fit the job. That can translate to other fields.

Frankly, I find this a much more honest approach than Trump touting how he will bring coal back. That was a flat out lie. Ask Murray energy workers how that is going for them.

Hey what right do you have bringing common sense into a thread, I’m pretty sure that’s not allowed.

If we were to stop using coal or oil for energy purposes, would we totally stop the mining of them? We would certainly need a lot less. But what about all the byproducts that are produced from them? I'm not arguing one way or the other, but am genuinely curious about it. I suppose we could find other ways to make the products that are now derived from them. Or just replace those products with something else.

Bryan, Biden said that anyone who can shovel
coal into a furnace, can write code. I’m going by what he said.
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And you are wound about one word, try windmill and cancer or Covfefe.

Google Biden and code and see what media is all excited about it.

Echo.........................anything to get away from Mar-a-lago is ground zero for kleptocracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec9P3C1OXqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLy5UTkGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBgeICz0teA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BZ1963557U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esbngD69c_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iibunl87-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVB6fqr4SFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2uhY1SAY_Y

People pay attention when you are President, who knew from that?

Didn't he say they could learn to? Not they could put the shovel down and start coding instantly.
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i don’t think he meant they could
do it today. I’m not claiming that. But not everyone can be trained to write code. Not everyone has the aptitude, are you saying you disagree with that? Really?

Why didn’t he say, everyone who can shovel coal into a furnace, can be a doctor? Why writing code?
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Two reasons I can think of.
1. There are existing models and programs where that exact transition has happened in that region.

2. Your average 37 year old miner out of work is not going back to undergrad pre med, then med school, then residency etc. to be a doctor. They probably can take on an associates or some equivalent training to get involved in a computer based industry, alternative energy etc.. This is a far saner approach for that region than 'We're going to bring back Coal'

Bryan, if you have evidence that "anyone who can shovel coal" can be taught to write code, what is it? I am stunned you're saying this. One profession is unskilled physical labor, one is purely intellectual, technical problem solving. Couldn't be more different. If every coal miner can learn to write code, who probably can't learn to write code? Anyone? If you were a high school guidance counselor, is there any kind of kid, and kind at all, to whom you would not suggest a career as a computer programmer?

If they could all write code, why aren't they doing that? Better money, much safer, better longevity, more stable. Coal mining seems to me, to be what people do, who have zero other options.





I don't see it as anything close to sane.

Can someone report this thread
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Is it hyperbolic to say every single one can be trained, of course it is.

Part of this story is that the opportunities have to be made available to them. The existing programs have shown, that if you bring the training to them, opportunities can be found to advance in a career. Is it a panacea for everyone? of course not. It will take a combination of hard work and opportunities. While I disagree with UBI, part of Andrew Yang's message of lost industries like truck driving, mining etc are something we as a society should be thinking about. With every shuttering mine more and more people in that region will need opportunities. I would prefer this approach than welfare...

What should we do, in your opinion, if anything, in these areas. The market has spoken, we are transitioning away from coal for the foreseeable energy future.

Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels and thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options. Talk about coastal elitists.........denigrating the deplorable.

I don't know what to do there, never claimed to. Money to improve education and training is a start. I made the thread in response to Biden's explicit statement that "computer programming" is the answer there. It's not, and only an idiot would say it is, and Biden qualifies.

Working is better than welfare, no question. But Bidens statement here, to me, sounded as disgusting as his promise (and he did promise, very clearly) that if he wins in 2020, there will be a cure for cancer. You have to have something really wrong with you, to say that. And that's what he said. He can deliver the cure, but only if we elect him president.

Policys based on nostalgia is stupid

Should us taxpayer's give the 28 billion which 100 farms got 70% of the 28million. to the coal companys ? Again now we want to pick winners and loosers
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"Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels "

That necessarily means you think Biden is insane, because HE used the term shovel.

"thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options"

I don't think people go into that field who have a lot of other good alternatives. It's a lifestyle people don't want their children to follow them into. Why do something that risky, for such modest pay, if you could do a white collar job? I don't think many people love it the way people love, say, fishing.

You could ignore it if you don't like it, but that's apparently not enough for your totalitarian inclinations.

Your words commenting on others.

I assume you could run or maintain the required equipment to mine coal? I assume you to be a well educated white collar worker? And all that mining stuff is something any idiot could do?

Here is some, think you have the skill to do that? http://www.coaleducation.org/technol..._equipment.htm

Lot's of people on this site who have chosen to work with their minds and hands rather than driving a desk and would not trade you for your space in a cubicle working with or maybe being Bill Lumbergh.

Keep in mind that working in the coal industry in coal country is sort of like working in insurance in Connecticut.

First, you ignored my comment that it was Biden who said they use shovels. You said it insane to think that, so I pointed out is was Biden who said it, and POOF, you no longer care about saying they use shovels. What does that tell you?

"Your words commenting on others"

Wrong again! I quoted Biden, who said explicitly, "anyone who can shovel coal..." Those were Biden's words, not mine. Snack on that.

"I assume you could run or maintain the required equipment to mine coal?"

You're so deranged, you can't see that you are proving my point, not challenging it. I don't know if I could learn to run that equipment, but the fact that I'm good at my current job, says NOTHING about my ability to ever learn that job. Using your logic, it's just as stupid to assume that miners could learn to write code. You are making the same exact argument I am making. Exactly the same.

"Lot's of people on this site who have chosen to work with their minds and hands rather than driving a desk and would not trade you for your space in a cubicle working with or maybe being Bill Lumbergh."

I never came close to saying there's anything wrong with working with your hands. I have no idea who you are responding to. For the 20th time, what I'm saying, is that being able to work with your hands, doesn't imply an ability to be able to make a living writing code.

You said these things about coal miners, and I quote:
One profession is unskilled physical labor
what people do, who have zero other options.
I don't think people go into that field who have a lot of other good alternatives.

Joe Biden did not say any of those things, you did.

I assume you think they are largely true, since you proposed two of them as unequivocal statements.

Joe Biden was speaking rhetorically which you find great when Floridaman does it, but if the opposition does it you seize on one word and claim it is deplorable.

So, can you code or are you a miner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDECw-zr-iA

Pete, the quote you posted, was “anyone who can shovel coal...”

That was Biden's quote, not mine. Biden said that. You then said it was insane to claim they use shovels. That necessarily means, you think Biden is insane. Right?

i did say the other things. I stand by them. id bet everything i have, that most low-level coal miners enter that industry, because of very limited options. Coal mining is not a field which could possibly indicate an ability to write code. Which is why no one looking to hire programmers, recruits in coal mines. They recruit people
who have demonstrated a different set of skills.

Aren’t you tired of embarrassing yourself and getting bitch slapped around? You’re making one idiotic, demonstrably false claim after another.
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