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Pete F. 01-31-2020 12:37 PM

A little more fuel
 
Drip.....drip.....drip

Another little Bolton leak.......

Here's the question: Senator, your's was the deciding vote to not have witnesses in Floridaman's impeachment, given the reports that have come out since did you make a wise decision? Because if it's close, you always end up owning it.

More than two months before he asked Ukraine’s president to investigate his political opponents, President Trump directed John R. Bolton, then his national security adviser, to help with his pressure campaign to extract damaging information on Democrats from Ukrainian officials, according to an unpublished manuscript by Mr. Bolton.

Mr. Trump gave the instruction, Mr. Bolton wrote, during an Oval Office conversation in early May that included the acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, the president’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani and the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, who is now leading the president’s impeachment defense.

Mr. Trump told Mr. Bolton to call Volodymyr Zelensky, who had recently won election as president of Ukraine, to ensure Mr. Zelensky would meet with Mr. Giuliani, who was planning a trip to Ukraine to discuss the investigations that the president sought, in Mr. Bolton’s account. Mr. Bolton never made the call, he wrote.

Pete F. 01-31-2020 12:45 PM

"the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, who is now leading the president’s impeachment defense."

As a matter of professional legal ethics you can't really represent a client in a matter in which you are also a witness (or accomplice) and it's a bar-grievable issue -- I would have thought this is obvious but these days it's worth reiterating

Jim in CT 01-31-2020 01:14 PM

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Pete, I do like your new sig. Once again your side claimed that THIS TIME, he had gone too far and they had him! Only to end up with egg on their faces again.

P.S. You're a bore and you're a pussy.

Pete F. 01-31-2020 02:56 PM

Mr. Trump also repeatedly made national security decisions contrary to American interests, Mr. Bolton wrote, describing a pervasive sense of alarm among top advisers about the president’s choices. Mr. Bolton expressed concern to others in the administration that the president was effectively granting favors to autocratic leaders like Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey and Xi Jinping of China.

Pete F. 01-31-2020 03:11 PM

And John Kelley throws a few more sticks on the fire

“If I was advising the United States Senate, I would say, ‘If you don’t respond to 75 percent of the American voters and have witnesses, it’s a job only half done,” he said. “You open yourself up forever as a Senate that shirks its responsibilities.”

detbuch 01-31-2020 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1185315)
Mr. Trump also repeatedly made national security decisions contrary to American interests, Mr. Bolton wrote, describing a pervasive sense of alarm among top advisers about the president’s choices. Mr. Bolton expressed concern to others in the administration that the president was effectively granting favors to autocratic leaders like Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey and Xi Jinping of China.

Geeze, until now the Dems were constantly accusing Bolton and his ideas and decisions as contrary to American interests. Sort of like your Dershowitz ever changing ideas.

Keep up the good work in helping to point out these anomalous but important conflicting opinions by everybody.

Pete F. 01-31-2020 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1185321)
Geeze, until now the Dems were constantly accusing Bolton and his ideas and decisions as contrary to American interests. Sort of like your Dershowitz ever changing ideas.

Keep up the good work in helping to point out these anomalous but important conflicting opinions by everybody.

Actually Dershowitz is yours and he’s been blowing in the wind for years, has the principles of any friend of Epstein’s and Roy Cohn.
Bolton’s ideas are not the issue, he too is a principled American and knows that Floridaman is a liar and guilty of that which he is accused.
Don’t worry, if they attack Bolton too hard all his contemporaneous notes will be found and miraculously be published. He knows exactly how the game is played and will get revenge.
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Pete F. 06-12-2020 12:57 PM

Bolton reveals what it was like to fight against an incumbent President determined to prevent publication of this book. Tweety directed the seizure of and withheld his personal and other unclassified documents, despite numerous requests for their return. He also obstructed Bolton’s Twitter account and made outright threats of censorship.

Bolton’s response? Game on.

Drawn from his personal participation in key events, Bolton covers an array of topics—chaos in the White House, sure, but also assessments of major players, the President’s inconsistent, scattershot decision-making process, and his dealings with allies and enemies alike, from China, Russia, Ukraine, North Korea, Iran, the UK, France, and Germany.

What Bolton saw astonished him: a president for whom getting reelected was the only thing that mattered, even if it meant endangering or weakening the nation.

“I am hard-pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my tenure that wasn’t driven by reelection calculations,” he writes.

In fact, he argues that the House committed impeachment malpractice by keeping their prosecution focused narrowly on Ukraine when Trump’s Ukraine-like transgressions existed across the full range of his foreign policy—and Bolton documents exactly what those were, and attempts by him and others in the Administration to raise alarms
about them.

PaulS 06-12-2020 01:06 PM

it doesn't matter bc my 401 is doing great.

detbuch 06-12-2020 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1195098)
Bolton reveals what it was like to fight against an incumbent President determined to prevent publication of this book. Tweety directed the seizure of and withheld his personal and other unclassified documents, despite numerous requests for their return. He also obstructed Bolton’s Twitter account and made outright threats of censorship.

Bolton’s response? Game on.

Drawn from his personal participation in key events, Bolton covers an array of topics—chaos in the White House, sure, but also assessments of major players, the President’s inconsistent, scattershot decision-making process, and his dealings with allies and enemies alike, from China, Russia, Ukraine, North Korea, Iran, the UK, France, and Germany.

What Bolton saw astonished him: a president for whom getting reelected was the only thing that mattered, even if it meant endangering or weakening the nation.

“I am hard-pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my tenure that wasn’t driven by reelection calculations,” he writes.

In fact, he argues that the House committed impeachment malpractice by keeping their prosecution focused narrowly on Ukraine when Trump’s Ukraine-like transgressions existed across the full range of his foreign policy—and Bolton documents exactly what those were, and attempts by him and others in the Administration to raise alarms
about them.

Amazing how those once hated by the Dems are now redeemed principled Americans merely by attacking Trump. Doesn't take much for a "principle" to change stripes.

Were the Dems wrong or lying when they claimed that choosing Bolton would get us mired into more disastrous foreign wars?

RIROCKHOUND 06-12-2020 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1195101)
it doesn't matter bc my 401 is doing great.

"The stock market is a graph of rich peoples feelings"

Best line I heard on a podcast this week when they were discussing that the stock market is not really reflective of the economy (they were pointing to be it being up last week when the unemployment numbers (which now we are suddenly supposed to believe) were better than projected but still atrocious, plus you know, riots and a pandemic...

scottw 06-12-2020 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1195103)
"The stock market is a graph of rich peoples feelings"

Best line I heard on a podcast this week when they were discussing that the stock market is not really reflective of the economy (they were pointing to be it being up last week when the unemployment numbers (which now we are suddenly supposed to believe) were better than projected but still atrocious, plus you know, riots and a pandemic...

I think Paul was talking about his area code

RIROCKHOUND 06-12-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1195105)
I think Paul was talking about his area code

No, he is an '860'er

scottw 06-12-2020 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1195107)
No, he is an '860'er

:)

PaulS 06-12-2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1195107)
No, he is an '860'er

that is the "other side" of the river.
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spence 06-12-2020 04:42 PM

The book will likely resonate in conservative circles. Bolton is a hawk, perhaps even dangerously so, but he’s super smart and has credibility. This isn’t some conspiracy tell all. It’s a warning.
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detbuch 06-12-2020 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1195127)
The book will likely resonate in conservative circles. Bolton is a hawk, perhaps even dangerously so, but he’s super smart and has credibility. This isn’t some conspiracy tell all. It’s a warning.
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Sounds scary! Just what we need during pandemic, rioting, revolution, protests . . . maybe he can demonstrate with the crowds--kneel and ask forgiveness for his abundance of white privilege.

spence 06-16-2020 05:09 PM

Now Bolton is being sued, to stop a book that's already been distributed to book stores. This is going to be pretty funny.

Pete F. 06-16-2020 09:22 PM

Why did Trump have a secretive, midnight run to Walter Reed Medical Center? It’s time we talk about it.
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wdmso 06-17-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1195288)
Now Bolton is being sued, to stop a book that's already been distributed to book stores. This is going to be pretty funny.

A POTUS who says he cant be sued or charged while in office . Loves to sue or threaten legal action against information or outlets who he thinks shows him in a bad light! He trying to shut down free speech and intimidate ,,,

Yet his supporters have no issues with his behavior. They see it as strength, or fighting back against the corrupt system, :btu:

scottw 06-17-2020 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1195301)
A POTUS who says he cant be sued or charged while in office . Loves to sue or threaten legal action against information or outlets who he thinks shows him in a bad light! He trying to shut down free speech and intimidate ,,,

Yet his supporters have no issues with his behavior. They see it as strength, or fighting back against the corrupt system, :btu:

well....he's a dictator...soooooo....

the left has a curious definition of... "free speech"

Pete F. 06-17-2020 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1195302)
well....he's a dictator...soooooo....

the left has a curious definition of... "free speech"

Tweety, who wants to delay publication of the Bolton book until after the presidential election, on Monday gave reporters a spin on the White House’s efforts to muzzle Bolton: He views “every conversation with me as president highly classified” and he thinks that “maybe [Bolton] is not telling the truth.”

Bolton spent 4 months with Ellen Knight, the official charged with conducting the prepublication review.
Tweety's suit acknowledges that, by April 27, 2020, Knight “had completed her review and was of the judgment that the manuscript draft did not contain classified information.”

Then a political appointee, Michael Ellis, intervened and claimed to be “concerned that the manuscript still appeared to contain classified information, in part because the same Administration that the Author served is still in office and that the manuscript described sensitive information about ongoing foreign policy issues.”

But that’s just another way of saying the book includes recent, newsworthy information of public concern that the president wants to conceal and he now has the Department of Justice doing political work for him.

wdmso 06-17-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1195302)
well....he's a dictator...soooooo....

the left has a curious definition of... "free speech"

Please elaborate :thanks:

Got Stripers 06-17-2020 02:36 PM

John R. Bolton, the former national security adviser, says in his new book that the House in its impeachment inquiry should have investigated President Trump not just for pressuring Ukraine to incriminate his domestic foes but for a variety of instances when he sought to intervene in law enforcement matters for political reasons.
Mr. Bolton describes several episodes where the president expressed willingness to halt criminal investigations “to, in effect, give personal favors to dictators he liked,” citing cases involving major firms in China and Turkey. “The pattern looked like obstruction of justice as a way of life, which we couldn’t accept,” Mr. Bolton writes, adding that he reported his concerns to Attorney General William P. Barr.
Mr. Bolton also adds a striking new allegation by saying that Mr. Trump overtly linked trade negotiations to his own political fortunes by asking President Xi Jinping of China to buy a lot of American agricultural products to help him win farm states in this year’s election. Mr. Trump, he writes, was “pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win. He stressed the importance of farmers, and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome.”

Pretty obvious why a Trump will do anything to stop this from coming out ahead of the election, Bolton knows he is a crook, con man and likely a traitor.
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detbuch 06-17-2020 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1195313)
John R. Bolton, the former national security adviser, says in his new book that the House in its impeachment inquiry should have investigated President Trump not just for pressuring Ukraine to incriminate his domestic foes but for a variety of instances when he sought to intervene in law enforcement matters for political reasons.

I've learned to wait for the final verdict before jumping to conclusions. So am highly inclined to not comment on any of this when it is at the accusation stage. But am curious if Trump specifically said he that he "sought to intervene" (sought? or did?) for political reasons, or If Bolton assumed that was his motivation.

Mr. Bolton describes several episodes where the president expressed willingness to halt criminal investigations “to, in effect, give personal favors to dictators he liked,” citing cases involving major firms in China and Turkey. “The pattern looked like obstruction of justice as a way of life, which we couldn’t accept,” Mr. Bolton writes, adding that he reported his concerns to Attorney General William P. Barr.
Mr. Bolton also adds a striking new allegation by saying that Mr. Trump overtly linked trade negotiations to his own political fortunes by asking President Xi Jinping of China to buy a lot of American agricultural products to help him win farm states in this year’s election. Mr. Trump, he writes, was “pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win. He stressed the importance of farmers, and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome.”

Again, did Trump specifically say to Xi that the reason he wanted China to buy American farm products was to ensure he'd win? Or, again, was that Bolton's assumption?

Pretty obvious why a Trump will do anything to stop this from coming out ahead of the election, Bolton knows he is a crook, con man and likely a traitor.

Bolton may "know" all that and can prove it . . . or he can assume that and prove nothing. Wait and see before put foot in mouth.

Pete F. 06-17-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1195314)
Bolton may "know" all that and can prove it . . . or he can assume that and prove nothing. Wait and see before put foot in mouth.

Sounds like you don't think it should be called:

I Watched the President Do an Absolute #^&#^&#^&#^& Ton of Crimes and Did Absolutely Nothing About It: The John Bolton Story

I'm sure Bolton just didn't understand Tweetyspeak, is secretly a Democrat, is obviously a liar, misconstrued the deep meaning or it just went over his head because the Stable Genius is playing three dimensional checkers.

detbuch 06-17-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1195316)
Sounds like you don't think it should be called:

I Watched the President Do an Absolute #^&#^&#^&#^& Ton of Crimes and Did Absolutely Nothing About It: The John Bolton Story

I'm sure Bolton just didn't understand Tweetyspeak, is secretly a Democrat, is obviously a liar, misconstrued the deep meaning or it just went over his head because the Stable Genius is playing three dimensional checkers.

I don't have an opinion on what it should be called. I asked a couple of questions, which your reply does not answer.

PaulS 06-17-2020 03:28 PM

Mr. Trump did not seem to know, for example, that Britain is a nuclear power and asked if Finland is part of Russia, Mr. Bolton writes. He came closer to withdrawing the United States from NATO than previously known. Even top advisers who position themselves as unswervingly loyal mock him behind his back. During Mr. Trump’s 2018 meeting with North Korea’s leader, according to the book, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo slipped Mr. Bolton a note disparaging the president, saying, “He is so full of s**t.”

Pete F. 06-17-2020 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1195317)
I don't have an opinion on what it should be called. I asked a couple of questions, which your reply does not answer.

Every insider account of Trump says basically the same thing. There are always a few new details, but the takeaway is always, always, that he is exactly who he appears to be in public. There are no hidden depths or strategies, no secret store of self-awareness or compassion.
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scottw 06-17-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1195311)
Please elaborate :thanks:

clearly the left has decided that their "free speech" includes defacing and destroying property, preventing business owners from doing business and or destroying business if they are in the mood, vandalizing the homes of private homeowners, verbally assaulting, physically assaulting people who may not agree with them or happen to be in their path....the left is fortunate that so many law abiding citizens have shown restraint in the face of their provocation and that many in government have been so willing to turn a blind eye to their bad behavior.....this is not new for the left but it is also not sustainable...... but trump "Loves to sue or threaten legal action against information or outlets who he thinks shows him in a bad light! He trying to shut down free speech and intimidate"...last I checked suits and legal action are perfectly legal.....

scottw 06-17-2020 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1195316)

I Watched the President Do an Absolute #^&#^&#^&#^& Ton of Crimes and Did Absolutely Nothing About It: The John Bolton Story

I thought spence said bolton is super smart?

Pete F. 06-17-2020 07:43 PM

The White House has known about the Bolton book coming since January. It has been clear for many days that Bolton was moving ahead with publication. A request for an emergency injunction was filed by DoJ ... today.
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wdmso 06-17-2020 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1195326)
clearly the left has decided that their "free speech" includes defacing and destroying property, preventing business owners from doing business and or destroying business if they are in the mood, vandalizing the homes of private homeowners, verbally assaulting, physically assaulting people who may not agree with them or happen to be in their path....the left is fortunate that so many law abiding citizens have shown restraint in the face of their provocation and that many in government have been so willing to turn a blind eye to their bad behavior.....this is not new for the left but it is also not sustainable...... but trump "Loves to sue or threaten legal action against information or outlets who he thinks shows him in a bad light! He trying to shut down free speech and intimidate"...last I checked suits and legal action are perfectly legal.....

Love your defense of Trump last time you checked suits and legal action are perfectly legal . If you have cause , being but hurt isn't cause .. but the same standard isnt applied to Trump ? who cant be sued ?

And. Can you get a bigger brush when you say Left you're the one who some how has attached criminal actions as some expression of free speech... sounds like an antifa comparison from the right over exaggerated based on feeling and liite facts

Maybe some see your list more inline with freedom of expression rather than freedom of speech..

Question who on the left made this decision that's riots looting assaults are freedom of speech. ? I know who .... the Right decided. that's who .

Pete F. 06-17-2020 08:49 PM

Meanwhile Tweety’s niece spills the “beans” and I quote
The reason for my uncle's surprise visit to Walter Reed is because he can no longer control his bowels.

It's why he stands the way he does. It's why he lurched down the ramp at West Point.

What's more, his bowels operate omnidirectionally.

He spews excrement from both sides.

Though I think she meant “both ends”
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PaulS 06-17-2020 09:29 PM

and you started this thread with drip drip drip
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scottw 06-18-2020 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1195331)
Love your defense of Trump last time you checked suits and legal action are perfectly legal . If you have cause , being but hurt isn't cause .. but the same standard isnt applied to Trump ? who cant be sued ?

And. Can you get a bigger brush when you say Left you're the one who some how has attached criminal actions as some expression of free speech... sounds like an antifa comparison from the right over exaggerated based on feeling and liite facts

Maybe some see your list more inline with freedom of expression rather than freedom of speech..

Question who on the left made this decision that's riots looting assaults are freedom of speech. ? I know who .... the Right decided. that's who .

what???

scottw 06-18-2020 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1195333)
and you started this thread with drip drip drip
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pete's been drip...drip..dripping for 4 years

The Dad Fisherman 06-18-2020 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1195338)
pete's been drip...drip..dripping for 4 years

More like...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnyHospita...ross-small.gif
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RIROCKHOUND 06-18-2020 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1195340)
More like...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnyHospita...ross-small.gif
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Nailed it. Pretty much what comes out when POTUS opens his piehole.

RickBomba 06-18-2020 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1195341)
Nailed it. Pretty much what comes out when POTUS opens his piehole.

Speaking of which, you see who came to wipe his bunghole on police reform day?

Bristol County Sheriff, Joe Arpaio.

You wanna talk swampy, he used to send four armored vans, with two deputies a piece, all the way from Taunton to Burlington, each day.

The deputies all were on detail, on OT, left the vans idling all day, ate free lunch, and talked on their phones all day.

Let’s try the math:

Armored Van gas bill (120 miles/4 miles a gallon) x 4 vans x $2.50 per gallon= $300

8 deputies eating expensed lunch ($15 food plus $10 in sodas) = $200

8 deputies x (10 hours x $30 per hour OT rate) = $2400

That is $2900 in our tax dollars, a day, * 240 working days a year

That’s $696,000 annually, that we paid those guys to sit there all day, every working day, to ensure that if one person seeking asylum at the federal building in Burlington, makes it safely to the ICE detention center in Taunton.

And Trump flew him to Washington to be at his right hand for the signing of the police reform bill.

Absolutely the epitome of filling up a swamp.

Gross.

Bristol County folks, don’t you think we could just hire one Middlesex County deputy who drives a Kia, to save us All about $650,000 a year?

So gross. Pork barrel at its finest.

DISGUSTING!!!!!!
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