charges dropped against Flynn
 

end of a railroad job.

End of the department of Justice. Glad your happy with our banana republic
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When the assistant director of the FBI asks if the goal is to get him fired, that doesn't indicate a problem to you? It does to me. And I'm not a trump zombie, like you are an anti trump zombie.

The goal, is supposed to be to find out the truth. We know that the Strzok camp had very strong anti Trump leanings. We know this.

Your clueless he pleaded guilty ...... Trumps just opened pandora's box 1 more step closer to an authoritarian state and you applaud

Both left and right now seem to believe that the justice department's prosecutorial process has been wholly corrupted and politicised - whether it was through Flynn's prosecution or by his liberation
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I know he plead guilty. I'm not clueless about that. They threatened to prosecute his son. Are you clueless about that? You left that part out.

Do you understand, that before the FBI interviewed him for the first time, the assistant director sent a note asking if the goal was to "get him to lie", or to get him fired. A lot of people would say that's a tainted investigation.

There is a big, big difference between trying to find out if he had previously lied, and trying to get him to lie during the investigation..

America 1st
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I'd also be curious to know, since you stated a real problem with Flynn taking money from foreign countries, why it didn't bother you that Hilary took big money from foreign nations.

Open Trumps taxes and let’s have fun about who owes who favors.

I didn't realize Flynn was running a foundation. Was it a 503b?
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Raise a cold glass of your favorite for Flynn.🍺
A wrong is being righted
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No jim he lied how they got him to lie is irrelevant

If I ask you a question I already know the answer . And ask you directly you have 2 choices admit it or lie .. how am I the dirty party aka FBI ,, the notes you keep bringing up have zero to do with him pleading guilty

And did any of her pals get paid positions on that foundation? Was any of that money from her foundation used to benefit them in any way, travel, meals, etc? Funny how some of the big donors got to see her face to face when she was secstate.

"how they got him to lie is irrelevant "

Not to many people.

So at the start of the investigation, he hadn't committed a crime. And "if" the goal was to get him to commit a crime that he otherwise would not have committed, and "if" this was done for political reasons (still a pretty big "if" but becoming more and more plausible), most people would have a huge problem with that.

The Justice Department isn't supposed to be a weapon used to settle political vendettas.

Anyway, he's free.

We also have some documents released yesterday which show that the democrats found precisely zilch to support the Russian collusion fiasco.

And then, we have the findings of John Durham's inquiry, which became an criminal probe as we all know. You can bet those findings get released right before the election.

And finally, we have Tara Reade doing a piece with Ronan Farrow (hero of the metoo movement) for the New Yorker soon.

Combine all that, with Biden's ill-timed onset of senility.

"how am I the dirty party aka FBI"

If they just asked him straight up and he lied, that's on him, I agree. What you are denying (cuz it doesn't fit your political agenda, which trumps all else) is that if it was done in a way to entice or incentivize him to lie, that's entrapment, right? I wasn't there and you weren't there, so neither of us knows. What we do know, is that right at the start, there's obvious evidence that they were out to get him. We know that senior FBI officials made no secret that they hated Trump and "they'd stop him" from becoming President.

I wonder where it says in the FBI's charter, that one of their functions is to influence presidential elections.

big time.

When an assistant director of the FBI asks in writing if the goal is to "get him to lie", or to "get him fired", something is very fishy. He put it in writing!

They were so sure he'd lose, so sure his income taxes would get him, so sure of Russian collusion, so sure of an impeachable quid pro quo. He hit them in the face with pies every single time.

The AG dropping the case on Flynn turns the entire purpose of the Special Counsel regs on its head. The SC is appointed *precisely* to insulate an investigation from influence by a political appointee, namely, the AG.
The opportunity to object to investigatory and prosecutorial decisions taken by the Special Counsel was in the hands of Rod Rosenstein (Trump's own appointee), during the course of the investigation. Rosenstein had to APPROVE each major step, and he did.
These decisions have already been vetted. Once by Rosenstein, and then again by a separate branch of government: the judiciary. Judge Sullivan had to review the case, and accept Flynn's plea. His view was that Flynn "arguably sold out the country."
It makes zero sense to appoint a Special Counsel, have his decisions reviewed and approved by both the DAG and a fed judge, and allow a future AG to come in and simply substitute his judgment. Especially an AG who lied about the findings of the investigation from the get-go.
Had Rosenstein overruled Mueller's decisions, he would have been required to notify Congress, and explain his reasons. Barr needs to answer to the judiciary committees for his actions -- these decisions are, ultimately, not really his to make if the SC regs mean anything.
Basically, Barr provides the workaround for any future president (D or R) for whom a Special Counsel is appointed. Let the investigation take its course. Then fire the AG who appointed him. Hire another, who undoes and dismisses all the actions the SC took. Voila!
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But according to the Death Star Stormtroopers anything that is against Trump* is a deep state plot because for years Americans who go into government service are just laying in wait for the Stable Genius.
They were obviously recruited in high school and trained by libs in those decadent institutions of higher education.
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If you’re angry about what Donald Trump & Bill Barr just did, then you better get off your ass this November and vote.
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great day for America and a Great American Patriot! God Bless General Flynn!

bad day for perpetually wrong pete and the obama corruption crew

Winners focus on winning
Losers focus on winners
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General Flynn is a traiter as is his former boss. He failed to report he was an agent for a foreign power. He admitted to lying about it to the FBI. He plead guilty to it twice. Trump fired him because he said he lied to the Vice President. These are facts. The prosecutor in charge of the case was pressured to quit and replaced by a crony of Barrs who and now Barr is refusing to prosecute the case despite a guilty plea. This will save Trump the trouble with pardoning Flynn which he must do to prevent Flynn from spilling the beans about the Trump/Russian collusion in their intervention in our elections and their payoff-the dropping of sanctions. There you go that's a quick summary. Meanwhile we have 75000 Americans dead and counting because we have an incompetent fool as President who cares more about himself and his re-election than the welfare of the country. Vote this asshat out of office in November!
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He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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Barr’s memo isn’t that they can’t prove that he lied, he did and they can’t get around it. They claim that’s not “material.”

Meanwhile, Starr and Kavanaugh argued that whether a president lied about having sexual relations with someone was “material” and enough to warrant impeachment.

The administration is trying to block the Grand Jury testimony that the report that “clears” Trump* was based on.
Who would be concerned about information that proves their innocence
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:1poke:

After DOJ drops Flynn case, a simple question: If Flynn did nothing wrong, why did he conceal his actions?
“There was always a deeper problem, one that still isn’t resolved. Why was the Trump administration so eager to blunt the punishment Obama gave to Russia for what we now know was gross interference in our presidential election?”

the right hails the dropping of flynn

But have no opinions with it taking 3 months to arrest 2 people who gunned down a black unarmed jogger.. in daylight

But thier upset that a judge locked up a hairdresser for staying.open after lock down restrictions in texas.
Hmmm Black judge white women .. how dare he..

Then flynn some how Obama's hold overs going after poor old flynn
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so if I'm talking about something other than the jogger, that means I don't care?

Find who did it, and execute him. Fair enough?

"But thier upset that a judge locked up a hairdresser for staying.open after lock down restrictions in texas."

It's different. It wasn't an official instrument of the government that killed that jogger, just some jerk who needs to be dealt with. What happened to the salon owner, is indicative of how crazy things have gotten. Not saying that's worse, because it's not, nobody died.

But being concerned about one, doesn't mean you can't simultaneously be concerned about the other.

Did you read what the assistant director of the FBI wrote, before the first conversation with Flynn? Yes or no?

An important point to remember in why Flynn is being rewarded: He never gave up the missing piece of the puzzle which is whether Trump knew about or directed the call to Kislyak. Mueller said he couldn't get to bottom of it, because Flynn and McFarland claimed to not remember.

Jim bigger picture.. i wasn't speaking at you specifically .. but lets review if you commit war crimes your OK with trump supporters
if you lie about the russians and got fired for lying from the POTUS your Ok with his supporters

Ms Luther was fined $7,000 (£5,652) and was warned that she would be fined a further $500 a day from now until Friday if the business continued to remain open. She was ordered to remain in jail for seven days after the judge found her guilty of contempt of court.

Judge Moyé told Ms Luther: "The rule of law governs us. People cannot take it upon themselves to determine what they will and will not do."

shes ok with trump supporters

If your a Captain of an aircraft carrier and didn't go along with Covid 19 line coming out of the white house your not ok with his supporters

the Judge who locked her up is not ok with Trump supporters

a this says it all in trump land

"if you lie about the russians and got fired for lying from the POTUS your Ok with his supporters"

If Flynn committed a crime, he should be punished. But law enforcement has to go about it the right way, they can't be motivated by politics, and they can't entrap him. DO you agree with that?

Alan Dershowitz is very very liberal, and a Harvard Law School professor, and he says it was "absolutely the right thing" to drop it.

Glad to hear you hold Alan Underpants in such high regard. I suppose you also agree with his position on statutory rape.

Now Barr is saying Sullivan’s orders and the whole process leading up to Flynn’s conviction and sentencing was illegitimate. At least if Trump were to pardon Flynn, the basic premise that he had, in fact, lied to the FBI and pleaded guilty to it would not be up for dispute. If Barr prevails, though, the most fundamental building blocks of counterintelligence investigations — such as ensuring that the FBI can question people about contacts with hostile foreign agents and hold them accountable if they conceal them — are no longer things we can count on. Barr wants to create a twilight zone where such things can occur with legal impunity.

Apparently it is now a good thing, that the servants of the people dare not question courtiers of the King.

sorry about your frustration pete...try to relax over the weekend

The FBI knew Flynn had lied before the interview. Getting him to continue his dishonesty on the record isn't entrapment, it's good police work. Think about it, Obama slaps sanctions on Russia for election interference, Flynn talks to Russia about it, then lies to cover it up. The FBI didn't engineer this...it is the facts from the case.

The FBI assistant director asked if the goal was "to get him to lie". That's very different from "see if he already lied".

Anyway, Alan Dershowitx is a subject matter expert (unlike you) who is a rare person that doesn't always agree with one side or the other (also very unlike you). He therefore has some credibility..

I'm not defending what Flynn did. This is about what the FBI did. The libs here won't go near the FBI's actions, because it doesn't fit the Narrative.

Nobody is saying the FBI engineered what he did before the investigation. But the FBI did engineer the way they chose to conduct themselves.

so bitter

obama was the engineer

"Glad to hear you hold Alan Underpants in such high regard. I suppose you also agree with his position on statutory rape. "

I'm confused. Didn't you very recently post a 50,000 word article written by a former Jeb Bush staffer, to support your position that Trump is bad? Yes, you did. Does that mean you agree with every position that man has ever taken?

So why is it OK for you to support your position with words of someone who you don't agree with on other topics, but it's not valid when I do it? I'd just love to hear you attempt to explain that.

Pete, you are again and again, backing yourself into a corner from which there is no escape.

"the basic premise that he had, in fact, lied to the FBI and pleaded guilty to it would not be up for dispute."

I don't dispute he lied to the FBI. But there seems to be some question about whether or not the FBI acted appropriately during the investigation. All the libs here are having trouble distinguishing between whether or not Flynn committed a crime, and whether or not the FBI broke the rules in trying to establish that he committed a crime.

"Barr wants to create a twilight zone where such things can occur with legal impunity"

Nooo...he wants to create a world where the government cannot break the rules in trying to bring criminals to justice. I have no issue with creating a world where the FBI doesn't set out "to get" someone for political reasons. They can't do that.

This is not the first time that Barr interfered in criminal investigations involving Trump* courtiers. He also intervened to with a sentencing memorandum for Stone, that led to the withdrawal of four career prosecutors from the case and a call from thousands of DOJ alumni for Barr’s resignation. He earlier sought to soften the sentence to be imposed on General Flynn. This time, Barr has gone a step further and moved to dismiss the Flynn case outright. So once again, the lead prosecutor has quit the case, and the government’s filing was so unpersuasive that no career prosecutor was willing to sign it. It is signed only by a political appointee—Timothy Shea, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, who was appointed by Barr—acting at the Attorney General’s direction.

Flynn was caught lying about his conversation with a foreign ambassador during a foreign-counterintelligence investigation. The lie was material when Flynn admitted it was, and nothing has changed since he did so.

Barr’s actions are so destructive—they destroy the norms of discretionary decision making. The American system of justice asks prosecutors to consider systematic questions—for example, whether the prosecution is a federal-law-enforcement priority or will have a significant deterrent effect—and issues that are specific to the individual, such as a person’s criminal history and the seriousness of the offense.

But never, until now‚ has it been acceptable to ask whether an individual has political connections to the president. Or if the prosecution would benefit his political interests.