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Sea Dangles 07-19-2020 09:03 PM

34 shot
 
COVID related violence in Chicago this weekend.
Find a cure or vaccine!

scottw 07-20-2020 05:39 AM

"The president of Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police has drafted a letter to President Trump requesting federal help in combating the city's gun violence problem.

In the letter posted to Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7's Facebook page Saturday evening, FOP President John Catanzara said "Mayor Lightfoot has proved to be a complete failure who is either unwilling or unable to maintain law and order here."

"I would be willing to sit down anytime and discuss ideas about how we can bring civility back to the streets of Chicago," Catanzara went on to say. "These politicians are failing the good men and women of this city and the police department."


and so....

CHICAGO (CBS Chicago/CBS News) — A group of elected officials on the city, county, and state level on Sunday issued a statement condemning Chicago Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara Jr.’s letter to President Donald Trump asking for federal assistance in dealing with “chaos” in Chicago.

Got Stripers 07-20-2020 07:17 AM

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Fun fact. The guy on the right is now in charge of all our COVID-19 data. He’s Michael Caputo, Trump’s HHS director. His former gigs include being a political pundit and wait for it... publicity director for Vladimir Putin in charge of improving the dictator’s image around the world. He also has no experience in health or medicine or medical data or pandemic response. Send all the data to him and not the CDC, what could possibly go wrong.

If local authorities think it’s bad know, what until the second wave which we haven’t seen yet gets rolling.

Sea Dangles 07-20-2020 08:10 AM

Thank You,Rat.Perhaps he can help the libs clean up Chicago

Got Stripers 07-20-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1197306)
Thank You,Rat.Perhaps he can help the libs clean up Chicago

If kept man moved next door, most would likely turn those guns on themselves.

Sea Dangles 07-20-2020 08:28 AM

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wdmso 07-20-2020 02:25 PM

If it wasn't for Chicago conservatives wouldn't have anything to complain about. It's the same every year every summer ... and they have been using it for decades and it's always a distraction from the issue of the day. Sprinkled With faux concerns...

Sea Dangles 07-20-2020 02:35 PM

See Portland
🤡
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wdmso 07-20-2020 02:51 PM

Federal Officers Deployed By Trump Admin Are “Kidnapping” Protesters In Portland


Only Trump supporters think this is ok... but still insisting hes not an authoritarian leader ..:cheers:

scottw 07-20-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1197327)
Federal Officers Deployed By Trump Admin Are “Kidnapping” Protesters In Portland


Only Trump supporters think this is ok... but still insisting hes not an authoritarian leader ..:cheers:

waterboarding would be great

Sea Dangles 07-20-2020 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1197327)
Federal Officers Deployed By Trump Admin Are “Kidnapping” Protesters In Portland


Only Trump supporters think this is ok... but still insisting hes not an authoritarian leader ..:cheers:

Only Trump supporters think there is a problem in Portland and Chicago I am guessing...

I suppose we should ignore it and see if it goes away.😎
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spence 07-20-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1197331)
Only Trump supporters think there is a problem in Portland and Chicago I am guessing...

I suppose we should ignore it and see if it goes away.😎
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Chicago has a gang problem, Portland's biggest problem is Trump's secret police.

Sea Dangles 07-20-2020 03:45 PM

So you admit there is a problem in Chicago? Did you switch party😆

Portland...Take away the alleged secret police and you have a peaceful coexisting community?
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spence 07-20-2020 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1197334)
So you admit there is a problem in Chicago? Did you switch party😆

Portland...Take away the alleged secret police and you have a peaceful coexisting community?
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I'm not aware of anyone denying Chicago has a gang problem.

Here's Portland. It's so violent mother's are banding together to form so called "killer pods" to protect the antifa terrorists.

Sea Dangles 07-20-2020 04:39 PM

Thank you for posting a pic of a BLM protest Jeff.
People see what they wish to see obviously ��
I guess in Snowflakeville everything was fine and dandy in Portland until forceful intervention occurred. Who would have imagined that it would escalate so quickly with the peaceful demonstrations? Yet they don’t seem bothered in the least in your provided example.

Sea Dangles 07-20-2020 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1197325)
If it wasn't for Chicago conservatives wouldn't have anything to complain about. It's the same every year every summer ... and they have been using it for decades and it's always a distraction from the issue of the day. Sprinkled With faux concerns...

You probably don’t hear much about it on your news sources. I guess the 1900 shooting victims to date this year are faux concerns also..🤯

The Dad Fisherman 07-20-2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1197336)
I'm not aware of anyone denying Chicago has a gang problem.

Here's Portland. It's so violent mother's are banding together to form so called "killer pods" to protect the antifa terrorists.

So many “Karen’s” not making sammiches
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scottw 07-21-2020 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1197336)

Here's Portland.

It's so violent mother's are banding together to form so called "killer pods" to protect the antifa terrorists.

Christina Kempster (KGW)
Published July 19, 2020
Updated July 20, 2020

Community leaders call for moratorium on violence, ask for conversation with protesters

“If you want to make change, if you are serious about change, then I’m begging you as a citizen of this city ... put down your need for violence.”


PORTLAND, Ore — After more than seven weeks of protesting and escalating tension between demonstrators and law enforcement, the Portland Police Association, along with representatives from the community, called for an end to destruction and called on protesters to meet with them to work toward a solution.

“If you care about Black lives, if you care about the community, if you care about your officers, if you care about your city, the only thing you need to do is make this stop,” Portland police union president Daryl Turner said.

Turner called out elected officials for condoning violence and chaos in Portland and not acting.

“This is no longer about George Floyd. This is no longer about racial equity or social justice. This is no longer about reform or the evolution of policing,” Turner said. “This is about violence, rioting, destruction, chaos, anarchy, buildings on fire, dumpsters on fire, broken glass and damaged businesses in Old Town, the Pearl, Northeast and North Portland.”

Faith leaders, business owners and community members joined Turner at the press conference.

The pastor of Vancouver Avenue First Baptist Church, J.W. Matt Hennessee, called for a “moratorium on the streets” and issued an invitation to those setting fires, causing destruction and looting to meet with him and others to talk, be heard and look for solutions.

“If you want to make change, if you are serious about change, then I’m begging you as a citizen of this city ... put down your need for violence,” Hennessee said.

Turner, Hennessee and others spoke outside the union headquarters on North Lombard where a riot was declared Saturday night and the building was set on fire.

The demonstration was one of two gatherings Saturday night involving hundreds of people calling for police reform and an end to systemic racism. The other was outside the Multnomah County Justice Center in downtown Portland. The area has been the site of many clashes between protesters and law enforcement over the past seven weeks.



"every city, every town, burn the precincts to the ground"


nice people...:kewl:

spence 07-21-2020 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1197340)
So many “Karen’s” not making sammiches
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Antifa human shields. The absolute carnage is quickly spiraling out of control. I hear the hipster brigades are going to target the Chipotle on 44th for excess onion in the guacamole.
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Sea Dangles 07-21-2020 07:01 AM

I like a good sangwich
Oh the humanity

The Dad Fisherman 07-21-2020 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1197353)
I hear the hipster brigades are going to target the Chipotle on 44th for excess onion in the guacamole.
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They are amassing at the Internet cafes ready to rain 1 star Yelp reviews down upon them as they sip on their soy lattes. God have mercy on our souls if they run out of Almond Milk.
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spence 07-21-2020 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1197359)
They are amassing at the Internet cafes ready to rain 1 star Yelp reviews down upon them as they sip on their soy lattes. God have mercy on our souls if they run out of Almond Milk.
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Million manbun march. Let’s see the secret police try and put that down.
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The Dad Fisherman 07-21-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1197360)
Million manbun march. Let’s see the secret police try and put that down.
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All they'll really need to do is cut power to the Milk Frother and they will all go home.
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spence 07-21-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1197361)
All they'll really need to do is cut power to the Milk Frother and they will all go home.
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Not before gassing the place, smoke bombs, flash bangs to get the video on Fox so Trump can use it in his culture war.

The Dad Fisherman 07-21-2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1197363)
Not before gassing the place, smoke bombs, flash bangs to get the video on Fox so Trump can use it in his culture war.

There you go again, going off the rails, ever wonder why nobody ever invites you to go fishing with them :hihi:
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JohnR 07-21-2020 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1197327)
Federal Officers Deployed By Trump Admin Are “Kidnapping” Protesters In Portland


Only Trump supporters think this is ok... but still insisting hes not an authoritarian leader ..:cheers:

Local police should be allowed (and directed) to handle it , right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1197333)
Chicago has a gang problem, Portland's biggest problem is Trump's secret police.

Local police should be allowed (and directed) to handle it , right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1197365)
There you go again, going off the rails, ever wonder why nobody ever invites you to go fishing with them :hihi:
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I'm told he is just bad luck ; )

spence 07-21-2020 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1197366)
Local police should be allowed (and directed) to handle it , right?

It sounds like the amount of vandalism hasn't been that widespread. The local police were handling it but also infringing on the rights of the majority of peaceful protesters. Since the secret police have shown up it looks like it has gotten a lot worse.

This is mostly a PR stunt, potentially illegal and people are getting hurt because of it.

scottw 07-21-2020 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1197367)
It sounds like the amount of vandalism hasn't been that widespread. The local police were handling it but also infringing on the rights of the majority of peaceful protesters. Since the secret police have shown up it looks like it has gotten a lot worse.

This is mostly a PR stunt, potentially illegal and people are getting hurt because of it.

this is idiotic...but go ahead :bl:

Sea Dangles 07-21-2020 10:41 AM

It’s just his alternative reality
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spence 07-21-2020 10:42 AM

What part is wrong?

Pete F. 07-21-2020 11:03 AM

Tweety's plan to demonstrate that he is a law and order guy by instituting a national police force is pretty scary.

“A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe companions to liberty,” James Madison told the Constitutional Convention. “The means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.”

Riot control is nothing new and attacking a crowd typically does nothing other than add a new thing (the police) they are against in addition to their original objective. In this case since police are viewed as the original problem by protesters, the very people that protesters are concerned about are validating their opinions by attacking them.

There are proven methods that have been used for years, nothing works perfectly but the attack method has been proven to have a great chance to escalate and spread the problem.

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/feature...a-new-paradigm

nightfighter 07-21-2020 01:07 PM

I reached out via email to an old college girlfriend who lives in Portland. She always was crunchy granola type, but here is a condensed version of her response;

We are a feisty bunch- and rebellious and independent. And so we do not want the !@#$%^&*( Feds messing with our protests. Yes we are fine - we are all at home! Although my daughter and I are going to go join the wall of moms that are lining up to protect the protestors. There are the protestors (good) and the rioters (bad)- but the Feds being here is very bad news PDX will not back down. Our city is a mess though- all boarded up and graffiti everywhere....tough times


This is from a well educated 60 year old Oregon native woman, with adult kids, who has lived abroad in Asia as her husband's job in finance took them to many financial capitals and last I knew, he was with the Federal Reserve... Not what I expected, but that is my ground zero report.... My response simply pointed out their plan of action had some glaring holes in it.... like bring a water bottle to a gunfight.

On a different note, my new 2A4life shoulder holster has shipped!

detbuch 07-21-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1197372)
Tweety's plan to demonstrate that he is a law and order guy by instituting a national police force is pretty scary.

“A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe companions to liberty,” James Madison told the Constitutional Convention. “The means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.”

Riot control is nothing new and attacking a crowd typically does nothing other than add a new thing (the police) they are against in addition to their original objective. In this case since police are viewed as the original problem by protesters, the very people that protesters are concerned about are validating their opinions by attacking them.

There are proven methods that have been used for years, nothing works perfectly but the attack method has been proven to have a great chance to escalate and spread the problem.

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/feature...a-new-paradigm

They are not a standing military force. They are federal agents from DHS and other federal law enforcement departmens. And they are protecting federal property and federal personnel, not the entire city. They are not there to stop the rioting or clean up the city of crime. They are there to protect federal property from vandalization and destruction by the rioters, and to protect federal personnel.

nightfighter 07-21-2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1197382)
They are not a standing military force. They are federal agents from DHS and other federal law enforcement departmens. And they are protecting federal property and federal personnel, not the entire city. They are not there to stop the rioting or clean up the city of crime. They are there to protect federal property from vandalization and destruction by the rioters, and to protect federal personnel.

Do you have a list of the federal properties they are protecting? Or perhaps a statement of their specific mission? Just asking as this would be value added to the discussion for those of us trying to make a value judgement from thousands of miles away.

nightfighter 07-21-2020 01:30 PM

And, getting back to what I believe was the OP; Whoever or what side made the dumbass decision to release violent convicted felons from incarceration due to concerns about COVID 19, has a lot of answering to do... as well as a lot of blood on their hands. The Boston Police Commish came right out with this very point as being the source of the recent increase in shootings in his city.

detbuch 07-21-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1197383)
Do you have a list of the federal properties they are protecting? Or perhaps a statement of their specific mission? Just asking as this would be value added to the discussion for those of us trying to make a value judgement from thousands of miles away.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...deral-property

wdmso 07-21-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1197338)
You probably don’t hear much about it on your news sources. I guess the 1900 shooting victims to date this year are faux concerns also..🤯

Aug. 6, 2018: 74 people shot, 12 fatally, in Chicago over the weekend

I2018. In total, the year saw an estimated 2,391 shootings with 2,948 shooting victims, police said. In 2017, there were 2,777 shootings and in 2016 there were 3,550.


Funny Trump didn't send any one in any of these years so yea faux concerns...


Can you say election :faga:

nightfighter 07-21-2020 01:44 PM

Thank you.

Some things still missing from the narrative though...

scottw 07-21-2020 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1197381)

Our city is a mess though- all boarded up and graffiti everywhere....tough times


:)

Jim in CT 07-21-2020 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1197325)
If it wasn't for Chicago conservatives wouldn't have anything to complain about. It's the same every year every summer ... and they have been using it for decades and it's always a distraction from the issue of the day. Sprinkled With faux concerns...

Are you kidding? Seattle, Baltimore, Detroit, ST Louis...

The question isn't why do conservatives continue to bring these things up. the question is, why do liberals do everything they can, to avoid talking about what's happening in these cities, and why? answer - talking about gang violence and its actual causes, doesn't help democrats win elections...


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