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wdmso 08-20-2020 10:00 AM

Why is this a hard question to answer
 
That this was the response to a simple question toKayleigh McEnany really — from the podium in the White house

Kayleigh McEnany just had this exchange with a member of the media about President Trump’s ongoing attacks on the legitimacy of vote-by-mail:

REPORTER: Is the president saying if he doesn’t win this election, then he will not accept the results unless he wins?
McENANY: The president has always said he’ll see what happens and make a determination in the aftermath.

McEnany went on to claim that Trump wants “a free election, a fair election,” note that extensive vote-by-mail might undermine public confidence in the results, and insist that this is Trump’s real concern.

Another reporter asked McEnany about Trump’s recent claim that “the only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged.”

That reporter asked: “Does the president believe there is any circumstance under which he could lose the election fairly?” McEnany declined to answer, mumbling some nonsense about voter fraud and Trump’s towering popularity.

This is a softball question to any administration.. And if this answer or lack of a question dosen't disturb you ... your a fascist and more of a danger to America then the so called squad :kewl:

detbuch 08-20-2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1199182)
That this was the response to a simple question toKayleigh McEnany really — from the podium in the White house

Kayleigh McEnany just had this exchange with a member of the media about President Trump’s ongoing attacks on the legitimacy of vote-by-mail:

REPORTER: Is the president saying if he doesn’t win this election, then he will not accept the results unless he wins?
McENANY: The president has always said he’ll see what happens and make a determination in the aftermath.

McEnany went on to claim that Trump wants “a free election, a fair election,” note that extensive vote-by-mail might undermine public confidence in the results, and insist that this is Trump’s real concern.

Another reporter asked McEnany about Trump’s recent claim that “the only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged.”

That reporter asked: “Does the president believe there is any circumstance under which he could lose the election fairly?” McEnany declined to answer, mumbling some nonsense about voter fraud and Trump’s towering popularity.

This is a softball question to any administration.. And if this answer or lack of a question dosen't disturb you ... your a fascist and more of a danger to America then the so called squad :kewl:

How would she know? Ask Trump. He'd probably say no. So what?

The Dad Fisherman 08-20-2020 10:40 AM

Serious Non-Story here..... THIS is the kind of stuff that keeps TDS sufferers up all night??? :rolleyes:
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nightfighter 08-20-2020 11:43 AM

I have to disagree here, Kevin. It does not keep me up, nor am suffering TDS, as the supporters have labeled the non-believers... His statement is simply setting up a narrative, that will be repeated often, giving it some sort of acceptance and legitimacy, to be used if/when he should lose the election. It is an outrageous claim to make, especially as a sitting president. Can you imagine the outrage if Obama had made the same statement? This guy is unqualified....

detbuch 08-20-2020 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1199191)
I have to disagree here, Kevin. It does not keep me up, nor am suffering TDS, as the supporters have labeled the non-believers... His statement is simply setting up a narrative, that will be repeated often, giving it some sort of acceptance and legitimacy, to be used if/when he should lose the election. It is an outrageous claim to make, especially as a sitting president. Can you imagine the outrage if Obama had made the same statement? This guy is unqualified....

I think he actually believes what he said. Should he not have said it? I don't think he should have said it not because of something he could use if he lost the election. At that point, it really wouldn't matter, and there would be all kind of print and electronic media "proving" that no fraud occurred which would continue extending the notion that he is stupid, etc. And he knows damn well how the media reacts to anything he does or says. I think he shouldn't have said it because it just sets up more accusations to be hurled at him, as has happened.

As far as if Obama had made the same outrageous statement as a sitting President, he may not have made the same statement, but he said a number of outrageous and divisive statements while he was President. Two that come up immediately were "if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," which he should have known could prejudice a jury in the trial against Zimmerman, as well as hardening the racial divide, and his accusation that "Cambridge police acted stupidly" when they arrested his friend professor Gates, before he even knew all the facts. A comment that he must have known would not help the friction between blacks and police.

Got Stripers 08-20-2020 02:13 PM

I’d go even further Ross it’s going to be months of this in order to keep as many from voting as he possibly can. If the public hears for months their votes might not be counted or they believe the false noise about a rigged election, it might mean enough in certain precincts. He knows the majority of the country has had enough of his sh*t, hence the moves against the postal service and of course he wants to meet with Putin. If he meets with Putin, I guarantee it’s in private or a portion will be, so he can ask his bud to ramp it up again.

PaulS 08-20-2020 03:05 PM

So who really has TDS? Is it the people who complain about our President's lies, corruption, cozying up to the Russians and dictators, classlessness, lack of empathy and compassion, slashing as many environmental rules as he can, etc. to an extent never seen before in our history or is the people who will defend him no matter what he does and says yet cried about Obama when they thought he was doing something wrong – even though those things were so petty they pale next to what we see today (wore a brown suit, saluted an officer with a coffee in his hand, played golf occasionally, etc.).

I think some who cry TDS need to look in the mirror and they’ll only see a hypocrite.

Four years after 50 of the nation’s most senior Republican national security officials warned that Donald J. Trump “would be the most reckless president in American history,” they are back with a new letter, declaring his presidency worse than they had imagined and urging voters to support former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The new letter, released just hours before Mr. Biden formally accepts the nomination, lays out a 10-point indictment of Mr. Trump’s actions, accusing him of undermining the rule of law, aligning himself with dictators and engaging “in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as president.”

They also accused him of “spreading misinformation” and “undermining public health experts,” making him “unfit to lead during a national crisis.”

“When we wrote in 2016, we were warning against a vote for Donald Trump, but many of the signatories were not ready to embrace his opponent,” Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state, noted John Bellinger, a former legal adviser at the State Department and National Security Council who was among the authors of the past and current letters. “This is different: Each of the signatories has said he or she will vote for Biden. Signatories are now even more concerned about Trump, and have fewer concerns about Biden.”



Eric Edelman, a former senior Defense Department official under President George W. Bush, and a signatory to both the old and new letters, noted that the 2016 warnings were “a prospective judgment about Donald Trump’s fitness for office. Today the things that were cited in those letters have been vindicated by Trump’s actual performance.”

scottw 08-20-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1199191)
I have to disagree here, Kevin. It does not keep me up, nor am suffering TDS, as the supporters have labeled the non-believers... His statement is simply setting up a narrative, that will be repeated often, giving it some sort of acceptance and legitimacy, to be used if/when he should lose the election. It is an outrageous claim to make, especially as a sitting president. Can you imagine the outrage if Obama had made the same statement? This guy is unqualified....

making a statement/claim and refusing to answer a stupid, leading question in the way that the hack asking the question would like you to answer are two different things....did Al Gore accept the result of his election?...I think Hillary is still bitching.....he has no idea at this point what may transpire and the democrats are rabid lunatics at this poin:rotf2:t so ....who knows???....gotta wait and see

wdmso 08-20-2020 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1199203)
making a statement/claim and refusing to answer a stupid, leading question in the way that the hack asking the question would like you to answer are two different things....did Al Gore accept the result of his election?...I think Hillary is still bitching.....he has no idea at this point what may transpire and the democrats are rabid lunatics at this poin:rotf2:t so ....who knows???....gotta wait and see

Stupid leading question? Your admiration of the dear leader is almost on par with jim..

Seem you have missed Trumps actual statements. That prompted the questioning

Like. The only way we loose if the election is rigged

Or after the next 4 years we should get another 4 years (12)

Always the hyperbole excuse

A simple honest answer if i win i win if or i lose i lose.. is to hard for Trump ..

But scott sees the question like asking Obama for his birth certificate..as legitimate. But these questions are outrageous.

rumors has it you still want to see it?
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Got Stripers 08-20-2020 05:48 PM

Trump has believed he is above the law his entire life, his latest post office general a Trump donor plant, no experience, doing Trumps dirty work to suppress voting and continue his personal attack on Bezos and Amazon. Anyone with a brain isn’t fooled, it’s corruption in plain sight, brazen and in your face. He has been emboldened by the boot licking GOP senators and his personal attorney Barr watching his back, you think 2020 was bad go vote this nut job in for another term.

scottw 08-21-2020 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1199213)
Trump has believed he is above the law his entire life, his latest post office general a Trump donor plant, no experience, doing Trumps dirty work to suppress voting and continue his personal attack on Bezos and Amazon. Anyone with a brain isn’t fooled, it’s corruption in plain sight, brazen and in your face. He has been emboldened by the boot licking GOP senators and his personal attorney Barr watching his back, you think 2020 was bad go vote this nut job in for another term.

keep venting...

Pete F. 08-21-2020 07:33 AM

Can someone explain the number of former Presidents, former First Ladies, former Secretaries of State and current officeholders speaking at the RNC? I’m having trouble keeping track
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The Dad Fisherman 08-21-2020 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1199191)
I have to disagree here, Kevin. It does not keep me up, nor am suffering TDS, as the supporters have labeled the non-believers... His statement is simply setting up a narrative, that will be repeated often, giving it some sort of acceptance and legitimacy, to be used if/when he should lose the election. It is an outrageous claim to make, especially as a sitting president. Can you imagine the outrage if Obama had made the same statement? This guy is unqualified....

I wouldn’t classify you as a TDS sufferer, you’re a person who is unhappy with the president and wants him out. There’s a difference. A lot of rational people like that out there.

TDS sufferers are incapable of going a day without bitching about Trump, and posting endlessly on FB and S-B about him, like they’re making a difference. They also like to label said rational people with some “ist” or “phobe” just because they’re not frothing at the mouth with hatred for him at there torrid pace

I also wouldn’t classify my self as a Supporter, I didn’t vote for him, I think he’s a class A jack wad, who needs to Turn over the reigns to his twitter accounts to someone else. I also don’t hang on everything he posts.

All she did was give an ambiguous answer to a dumb question.
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wdmso 08-21-2020 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1199233)

All she did was give an ambiguous answer to a dumb question.
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I only wish that was all it was.. and I can see why you may think that , if you just look at it as a question with zero context..or 1 tweet at a time

I have said this a lot .. Trump needs to be looked at in his totality.

A dumb question ? will you respect the out come of the election ....

How is that a dumb question ? After all he has said about the election...?

Why so dismissive about the question ... but the lack of an answer is acceptable :huh::huh:

detbuch 08-21-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1199235)

I have said this a lot .. Trump needs to be looked at in his totality.

A dumb question ? will you respect the out come of the election ....

How is that a dumb question ? After all he has said about the election...?

Why so dismissive about the question ... but the lack of an answer is acceptable :huh::huh:

Looking at Trump in his totality, if you're honest, would include his successes in life and during his presidency. His totality does not create a picture, if you're honest, of a racist, a homophobe, a white natonalist Neo-Nazi, an anti-Semite, a dumb stupid person who is totally incompetent. His totality does not show him to be worse in his sexual conduct than some of the most admired and supposedly successful Presidents. His totality in his first term as President would include inheriting the worst recovery from a recession/depression since the 1940's and turning it into a booming economy, having constitutionally oriented judges appointed to the Supreme Court and its lower district courts, making NATO more financially stable, creating more stability in the Middle East, not entering into stupid wars.

I'm not going to comment on Biden's totality, though from what I have heard and read from those who oppose him, it doesn't seem to be the picture of some shining example of an honorable man. But that is irrelevant to me.

What I care about is not the totality of either candidate, but the totality of the Progressive agenda and which party most fully embraces it. I believe the constitutional republic we've inherited is a far more reliable system to ensure what was once considered our unalienable rights. I know that Progressivism's mission is firstly, to put it simply, the elimination of any notion of limited government.

scottw 08-21-2020 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1199233)

I also wouldn’t classify my self as a Supporter, I didn’t vote for him, I think he’s a class A jack wad, who needs to Turn over the reigns to his twitter accounts to someone else. I also don’t hang on everything he posts.

All she did was give an ambiguous answer to a dumb question.
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ditto...and......he's still better than the alternative...which tells you where the left is :kewl::bl:

Pete F. 08-21-2020 10:25 AM

I’m old enough to remember when a 74 year old drug addict in full face make up was carrying on a pen pal love affair with a 36 year old North Korean dictactor. We not only failed to commit him we paid for their first in-person date.
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PaulS 08-21-2020 10:32 AM

Why is it hard to answer whether our Pres. believes in Qauckanon?

RickBomba 08-21-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1199245)
ditto...and......he's still better than the alternative...which tells you where the left is :kewl::bl:

BAHAHAHAHA!

Trumbo could never give a speech like Biden’s.

He’d be too busy talking about the planes during the Revolutionary War, or the Spanish Flu ending WW2, or endorsing QAnon, or something.

Take America back from the oligarchs! Trump for Prison, 2020.
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nightfighter 08-21-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199247)
I’m old enough to remember when a 74 year old drug addict in full face make up was carrying on a pen pal love affair with a 36 year old North Korean dictactor. We not only failed to commit him we paid for their first in-person date.
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What is this all about, Pete? And how does it relate to this thread? Was a pretty on point civil discussion going on....... Little early for the :gu: even on a Friday, no?

Pete F. 08-21-2020 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1199245)
ditto...and......he's still better than the alternative...which tells you where the left is :kewl::bl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199247)
I’m old enough to remember when a 74 year old drug addict in full face make up was carrying on a pen pal love affair with a 36 year old North Korean dictactor. We not only failed to commit him we paid for their first in-person date.
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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1199248)
Why is it hard to answer whether our Pres. believes in Qauckanon?

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Originally Posted by RickBomba (Post 1199249)
BAHAHAHAHA!

Trumbo could never give a speech like Biden’s.

He’d be too busy talking about the planes during the Revolutionary War, or the Spanish Flu ending WW2, or endorsing QAnon, or something.

Take America back from the oligarchs! Trump for Prison, 2020.
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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1199251)
What is this all about, Pete? And how does it relate to this thread? Was a pretty on point civil discussion going on....... Little early for the :gu: even on a Friday, no?

Just wait till next week when the RNC starts, wondering if Bannon will still appear on Tuesday

NEXT WEEK’S RNC THEMES RELEASED:

Monday: INDIVIDUALISM— Bootstrap Your Way Through The Pandemic.

Tuesday: FEAR— They Are Socialists.

Wednesday: DIFFERENT FEAR—Scratch That. They Are Anarchists.

Thursday: RESULTS— 4 More Years: Take These Results & Double Them.

Friday: Finale-It is what it is, You're on your own now

spence 08-21-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199252)
Just wait till next week when the RNC starts, wondering if Bannon will still appear on Tuesday

It's lining up to be a Dancing With the Stars style clown car. The McCloskeys are giving a seminar on marksmanship, Sandmann is just going to smirk for 3 minutes, the My Pillow Guy is going to demonstrate how to make your own Covid cure from common household ingredients and Trump plants to go off on a 2 hour rant against communist shower heads.

Buckle up.

PaulS 08-21-2020 12:31 PM

The leading breakout session is "why John McCain is not a hero"

TheSpecialist 08-21-2020 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1199203)
making a statement/claim and refusing to answer a stupid, leading question in the way that the hack asking the question would like you to answer are two different things....did Al Gore accept the result of his election?...I think Hillary is still bitching.....he has no idea at this point what may transpire and the democrats are rabid lunatics at this poin:rotf2:t so ....who knows???....gotta wait and see

exactly. as far Katie, she absolutely owns the media and has had more mic drops than another person in her position.. She is always prepared


The first serious case of voter fraud from mail in voting has appeared in NJ. Traditionally mail in voting was reserved for military, and people living and working overseas temporarily, snowbirds who were retired and at their summer homes. That is the reason it was largely unheard of
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/n...ing-fraud.html

RickBomba 08-21-2020 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1199258)
exactly. as far Katie, she absolutely owns the media and has had more mic drops than another person in her position.. She is always prepared


The first serious case of voter fraud from mail in voting has appeared in NJ. Traditionally mail in voting was reserved for military, and people living and working overseas temporarily, snowbirds who were retired and at their summer homes. That is the reason it was largely unheard of
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/n...ing-fraud.html

I think her name is KayLeez, or something like that...she is the epitome of a blonde joke.
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zimmy 08-21-2020 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RickBomba (Post 1199249)
BAHAHAHAHA!



Take America back from the oligarchs! Trump for Prison, 2020.
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Trump
20 2 life
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Pete F. 08-21-2020 08:39 PM

“Character is on the ballot. Compassion is on the ballot. Decency, science, democracy.

They are all on the ballot.”
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Pete F. 08-21-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1199258)
exactly. as far Katie, she absolutely owns the media and has had more mic drops than another person in her position.. She is always prepared

As I said before she’s the one who so much #^&#^&#^&#^& comes out of her mouth, that if she gives head it’s classified as anal
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scottw 08-22-2020 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199271)

Character, Decency,

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199271)

As I said before she’s the one who so much #^&#^&#^&#^& comes out of her mouth, that if she gives head it’s classified as anal


too stupid for words....

Pete F. 08-22-2020 07:42 AM

Tweety today
The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics. Obviously, they are hoping to delay the answer until after November 3rd. Must focus on speed, and saving lives!
Remember he would have only the best people
He is accusing his handpicked FDA Chief, who reports to his handpicked HHS Secretary (both of whom have considerable drug industry experience and support), of not being capable of doing their jobs.
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TheSpecialist 08-22-2020 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199283)
Tweety today
The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics. Obviously, they are hoping to delay the answer until after November 3rd. Must focus on speed, and saving lives!
Remember he would have only the best people
He is accusing his handpicked FDA Chief, who reports to his handpicked HHS Secretary (both of whom have considerable drug industry experience and support), of not being capable of doing their jobs.
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There is a post on Facebook on the Walkaway group. It is posted by a man who grew up in Harlem as a Democrat. This man put up a picture of himself, Trump, a Mexican friend, and a black friend. All 3 of these men were union workers on many of Trumps projects, the Mexican guy ran a couple of them. He said Trump was the best guy they ever worked for. Even though he would come onto the job everyday, and make demands, say that this wasn't done right. He wanted it done quickly , correctly, he is a micro manager. These guys all love him, and they were lifelong Democrats. He used to buy the workers food, bring them shirts , hats, and talk to them about their families. It is no surprise that he would say those guys aren't capable, he wants it done faster, and correctly.

I do not deny that he is a blow hard, #^&#^&#^&#^& talker, but at the end of the day not one of you could attribute something he has done in office that has negatively affected you or your family. Up until this virus hit this country was rolling forward. It was becoming more prosperous. You guys lets some mean words bother the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of you and I find it hilarious.

The political forum is the worst thing that ever happened to this site, it really showed everyones true colors, that is why I rarely come on here anymore.

Go fishing, turn off the news

zimmy 08-22-2020 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1199285)
Therbut at the end of the day not one of you could attribute something he has done in office that has negatively affected you or your family.

That is a pretty bold statement. Especially after posting some cherry picked Facebook story that was likely put there by the Russians. There are a many ways he has negatively affected me and my family, especially his disastrous moves on air and water quality and public lands. I also vote based on how other people are affected by his actions and he has devastated this country. It isn't about his childish behavior, it is that he makes terrible decisions that negatively impact the lives of millions of people.
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spence 08-22-2020 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1199285)
There is a post on Facebook on the Walkaway group. It is posted by a man who grew up in Harlem as a Democrat. This man put up a picture of himself, Trump, a Mexican friend, and a black friend. All 3 of these men were union workers on many of Trumps projects, the Mexican guy ran a couple of them. He said Trump was the best guy they ever worked for. Even though he would come onto the job everyday, and make demands, say that this wasn't done right. He wanted it done quickly , correctly, he is a micro manager. These guys all love him, and they were lifelong Democrats. He used to buy the workers food, bring them shirts , hats, and talk to them about their families. It is no surprise that he would say those guys aren't capable, he wants it done faster, and correctly.

You mean back when Trump was pro-choice and donating money to Hillary Clinton?

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I do not deny that he is a blow hard, #^&#^&#^&#^& talker, but at the end of the day not one of you could attribute something he has done in office that has negatively affected you or your family.
I could name quite a few but it's noteworthy you focus on the individual, not what's happening to your neighbors, your community or your country.

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Up until this virus hit this country was rolling forward. It was becoming more prosperous. You guys lets some mean words bother the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of you and I find it hilarious.
The economy was continuing the Obama recovery but in so many ways, our position in the world, rule of law, corruption in government, a near total leadership vacuum, environmental policy etc... etc... was and still is crumbling.

There's a reason so many Republicans are publicly standing up for Joe Biden...because they fear for our country.

detbuch 08-22-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1199287)
The economy was continuing the Obama recovery but in so many ways, our position in the world, rule of law, corruption in government, a near total leadership vacuum, environmental policy etc... etc... was and still is crumbling.

The Obama "recovery" was the worst since WWII: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rexsinq.../#14c69cc8cb0e

But it's an effective, to some, talking point to somehow diminish what Trump's policies did to actually make the recovery well beyond anemic Obama one into an actually vitally expanding one. As well, your other talking points about position in the world, rule of law, corruption in government, leadership vacuum, are biased opinions highlighted by a sycophant media to make Trump look bad.

Just keep sayin'. Tell it long and hard enough and folks will believe.

scottw 08-22-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1199286)
That is a pretty bold statement. Especially after posting some cherry picked Facebook story that was likely put there by the Russians. There are a many ways he has negatively affected me and my family, especially his disastrous moves on air and water quality and public lands. I also vote based on how other people are affected by his actions and he has devastated this country. It isn't about his childish behavior, it is that he makes terrible decisions that negatively impact the lives of millions of people.
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I'm pretty sure your posts are put here by russians ....

scottw 08-22-2020 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1199288)
The Obama "recovery" was the worst since WWII: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rexsinq.../#14c69cc8cb0e

But it's an effective, to some, talking point to somehow diminish what Trump's policies did to actually make the recovery well beyond anemic Obama one into an actually vitally expanding one. As well, your other talking points about position in the world, rule of law, corruption in government, leadership vacuum, are biased opinions highlighted by a sycophant media to make Trump look bad.

Just keep sayin'. Tell it long and hard enough and folks will believe.

bitter leftists desperately crying out for some psychological counseling

Pete F. 08-22-2020 10:29 AM

What Tweety claimed today is that, under his leadership, the US government is sabotaging the development of a Covid-19 vaccine.
And he’s a manager?
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scottw 08-22-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199291)
What Tweety claimed today is that, under his leadership, the US government is sabotaging the development of a Covid-19 vaccine.
And he’s a manager?
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you should call someone and alert them....

spence 08-22-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1199288)
The Obama "recovery" was the worst since WWII: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rexsinq.../#14c69cc8cb0e

But it's an effective, to some, talking point to somehow diminish what Trump's policies did to actually make the recovery well beyond anemic Obama one into an actually vitally expanding one. As well, your other talking points about position in the world, rule of law, corruption in government, leadership vacuum, are biased opinions highlighted by a sycophant media to make Trump look bad.

Just keep sayin'. Tell it long and hard enough and folks will believe.

Longest run job growth ever. Obama’s GDP the last three years stronger than Trumps. Keep shoveling.
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detbuch 08-22-2020 10:06 PM

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Longest run job growth ever. Obama’s GDP the last three years stronger than Trumps. Keep shoveling.
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Obama's RECOVERY stats, including GDP, were well below, on average, the recoveries from previous recessions/depression. Those in the past averaged well above or close to 4% GDP during recovery.

So Obama's comparatively anemic recovery took a lot longer to get above water, so to speak. And once achieving that point, it would be harder to maintain a 2 to 3% growth in GDP than it would from a recession low. 2-3% rise from a broken economy is not much growth, but the same percentage growth from a more stabilized economy is more difficult to sustain without actually significant expansion in the economy. To maintain similar growth of 2-3% after that, under Trump, would actually be the ideal growth rate from a "stable" economy, which would be more difficult to do than from a recession economy, so would be far more significant than Obama's similar numbers.

Also, it appears that different analysts have different numbers. Here's this from the FEE:

"That being said, Puzder has a compelling indictment of Obama’s performance:

'During a typical recovery, the economy grows at a rate between 3% and 4%, and the Obama administration predicted such a surge in its 2010 midsession review. It never came. The “recovery” of those years often felt much like a recession.'

"Amen. This echoes my criticism of Obamanomics. He made the US a bit more like Europe, so it’s no surprise that growth was weak.

"Let’s now look at Puzder’s evidence that Trump has done a better job. He compares the end of the Obama economy with the beginning of the Trump economy:

"GDP growth staggered along at 1.5% in Mr. Obama’s final six full quarters in office. …growth doubled to 3% during Mr. Trump’s first six full quarters. …the increase in job openings over Mr. Trump’s first 21 months has averaged an impressive 75,000 a month. Over Mr. Obama’s last 21 months in office, the number of job openings increased an average of 900 a month. …During Mr. Obama’s last 21 months, the number of employed Americans increased an average of 157,000 a month. Under Mr. Trump, the increase has accelerated to 214,000 a month, a 36% improvement. …In Mr. Obama’s final 21 months, weekly earnings rose an average of $1.31 a month. Under Mr. Trump, weekly earnings have increased an average of $1.84 cents a month: a 40% improvement that’s come mostly since tax reform took effect in January. Over that period, weekly earnings have grown an average of $2.31 a month, a 76% increase over Mr. Obama’s last 21 months. …The unemployment rate declined 13% during Mr. Obama’s last 21 months, but from there it has dropped another 23% during Mr. Trump’s tenure.'"


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