Forbes issues warning
 

Forbes published a piece, warning any company that hires Trump senior officials, that every statement that company ever makes, will
be presumed to be a lie.

I was concerned with the extreme to which we’d pass liberal bills after this election. But i never thought we’d spend this much energy on reprisals. Forbes literally dared companies to hire these people.

This is unity and tolerance?Censorship and retribution?

It beats everything i’ve seen. It’s like the left is actually scared of having to put their TDS on a shelf, they’re going berserk with one final purge.

Again, Rockhound, I’d be fascinated with your take.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/au.fina...mgYh2V9w3gDshM

Now, Forbes is a left wing organization.

How about the list of political donors that will not provide funding for the Reps and Senators who backed Trumps attempt to steal the election.

Or the largest business organization in the country, U.S. CHAMBER'S DONOHUE SAYS TRUMP'S CONDUCT LAST WEEK "WAS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE AND COMPLETELY INEXCUSABLE

Here is the quote from your link. “Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists... and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet,”

And I assume everyone understands they aren't talking about low level ees at Forbes or in the Trump admin.

So Forbes should just take on face value quotes from people who have lied repeatedly in the past w/o investigating the facts behind the quote?

i’m sorry, was the Clinton administration a living embodiment of virtue? must be very very convenient, to engage in selective memory.

Hilary said very forcefully, hat Bill
wasn’t cheating on her, but rather he was being framed by republicans. she also said she came under sniper fire on a trip which was a BS claim. but she can work anywhere she wants?

Sarah Sanders is a pathological
liar? she’s told worse lies than saying she’s been under sniper fire?
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When all else fails, there's always "But Hillary"

Amazon removes QAnon merchandise from its marketplace.

Yes, Sarah Sanders is a pathological liar. You could not believe a word our of her mouth. Forbes ain't hiring Sarah Sanders. If you didn't lie repeatedly in the Trump admin. or stood there and shook your head yes when he lied, you have nothing to worry about.

A few of Sarah bigger lies:

•Denying knowledge of Trump’s in-office hush-money payoffs, despite the fact that Trump himself admitted to them;


•Claiming that Trump had created far more jobs for African Americans than Obama, when, in reality, Obama created four times as many as Trump;


•Insisting, with a straight face, that her boss had never “promoted or encouraged violence,” seemingly forgetting the time Trump told supporters at a rally, of a protester who’d been ejected, “I’d like to punch him in the face”; or the time he told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay. Just knock the hell—I promise you I will pay for the legal fees, I promise”; or the time he openly fantasized about “Second Amendment people” preventing the appointment of liberal judges; or the time he instructed police officers to knock suspects’ heads against the side of their squad cars.


•Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault and claiming they are the liars;


•And, of course who could forget the time she created an elaborate yarn about how she’d heard from “countless…individuals who work at the FBI who said they were very happy” with Trump’s decision to fire James Comey, in an attempt to make the story that the firing was all about agency morale stick, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the Russia investigation. Which, of course, she admitted was a total lie during her interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. She subsequently doubled down, telling George Stephanopoulos that she only admitted to lying about hearing from “countless” people, before shifting the focus to Comey, who she described as a “disgraced leaker” and a “dirty cop.”

Here's my favorite, you criticize Sanders for "Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault"

Yet Hilary, as First Lady, goes in front of the world, and refers to Bills accusers (and we KNOW that at least one of them was telling the truth) "narcissistic looney tunes". But you have no issue with that. None. Please explain.

Yeah, those are some serious principles you have there, Paul. Please, tell us what a tireless advocate Hilary is, for women.

You're the one supporting the most vile person we've ever had as a president and make the most vile statements about women ever so if you want to look for someone with no principles look in the mirror. No wonder people call you a misogynist on this board
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Trump and all his supporters involved in this breach of the capital deserve everything they have coming. If you aren’t watching all the video being released, then you don’t care how serious this was and how lucky more weren’t killed. Trump, his family and those inciting this mob deserve to be impeached, disbarred, sent packing from future federal office, criminally prosecuted,payback should be a bitch.

Exactly - bring up the same couple quotes about Hillary or bring up the same quote from Biden over and over demonstrates how there's no equivalence between anyone else and the Trump administration.
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Now even Moscow Mitch has come out stating Trump committed impeachable offenses, so even one rattlesnake understands the venom the other snake is spewing is a danger to his power and coalition.

Karma works in mysterious ways.
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Hey, if Trump plotted a violent coup, he deserves all that.

Putin getting ready for a new relationship.

McConnell and Liz Cheney are saying there’s no question he committed an impeachable offense.
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oh that wasn’t a cowardly dodge.

Paul: sarah sanders deserves to never work again, because she disparaged assault victims.

Jim: so did Hilary. why does she get a pass?

Paul: you make vile statements about women.

how about growing a pair, and answering the obvious question that a 6 year old would have asked you?
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i don’t support his personal behavior any more than you do. i have said he’s the worst person to hold that office in our lifetime. he’s absolutely incapable of acting like a mature adult/.

here’s the difference. unlike you, i can admit the truth that his policies have been beneficial for the country.

i despise trump.
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I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime. So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job more power to you. I think his environmental and economic policies have hurt the country and most of all hurt the poor and have benefited the rich. You view tax cuts as beneficial, I view them as stupid when we are running a huge deficit.Do I disagree with 100% of what he has done of course not but I choose to focus on the vast majority of his policies of which I disagree with.
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I'm not sure you recognize that I didn't type those lies from Sanders, I just cut and paste them. You're the one who mentioned Hillary Clinton in a post that has nothing to do with her but rather is about Forbes and what they think will happen with the people who have sold their soul to Trump and his lies.

you are the one who brought up Sarah Sanders. What I said is Sarah Sanders is a habitual liar who has shown that she will say anything to defend Trump. So I view her constant lying as different than Hillary's infrequent lies or stupid statements where she later says she shouldn't have said something and apologizes. I don't view comparing someone's infrequent statements with someone's frequent statements the same.
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for the third time, you criticized sanders for disparaging assault victims.

You are going to great lengths, to avoid acknowledging that hilary did the same exact thing. only one conceivable reason why...it’s ok when democrats do it.
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I've always admitted she's done that. Every time I've discussed it with you. Some of it might have been she believed her husband. But the article was about Forbes and people in the Trump administration who lie constantly and have no credibility. And again there's no comparison between Hillary's lies and someone like Sarah Sanders and her lies. If you want to view that as defending Hillary so be it.
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It’s so cowardly for them to say at this stage of Trumps term enough is enough, they could put up with all his BS for four years but not this week.

Trump's brand is destroyed forever. You cannot do business without any type of partners... When you think about the logo of Trump's business at this point, it's those people storming the Capitol"

Donny Deutsch

Sorry, I have no empathy
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Ok then, let's move on.

I’m waiting for the Grand Jury
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"I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime"

Easy to conclude that, when you willfully ignore every single positive thing he has done.

"So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job"

I, unlike you, consider everything. The good and the bad. It's not "me". What about the Gallup poll, done every presidential election year, where a record number in 2020 (even during a pandemic) said they were better off than 4 years ago? The poll was done during the pandemic, and never before, have more Americans claimed to be better off than 4 years ago. For me, the only conclusion is that Americans like his policies. You disagree with my interpretation of that poll (I don't see any other conclusion), but you don't offer an alternative.

I don't know how to judge his presidency overall. His character is so completely flawed, I don't know the words to describe it. But his policies, were in my opinion very positive, and the Gallup poll supports that. But he got creamed in the election, which tells us with zero ambiguity that the same people who liked his policies, didn't want to deal with the baggage. You can't often say that a one-term presidency was a smashing success, and I won't make that claim with Trump, it would be silly to try.

"I think his economic policies have hurt the country"

You are in a very, very small minority who really think that. The only thing that didn't get much better was the debt, and he deserves criticism for that. By just about every single other measure, he improved the economy meaningfully, and moreso for minorities. That's one of the reasons that liberal elites hated him. For all their talk, he did more for blacks than any president in my lifetime, and it's not even close. No one comes close. Liberals have been saying for decades that the 1990s crime bill was racist (and authored by Joe Biden, but let's save that for another time). Obama had control of both houses of congress for much of his first 2 years, he easily could have reformed that crime bill. He didn't. It took Trump. And I hate what Trump did with crime reform, but its what liberals in general, and blacks in particular, have been asking for, for decades. No one chose to deliver, until Trump. Why is that?

Paul, what does it say to you, that you criticize Sarah Sanders for insulting assault victims (which is very fair criticism), but you refuse to comment that Hilary did the same exact thing?

Jim are you really stating the extremely small sampling the Gallup poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans? Please stop suggesting we refuse to acknowledge the good things Trump has done, the simple truth is many, myself included, don’t see them as good. But hang in there, your defense ordeal is almost over, a vacation for your efforts is days away.

Seems like you missed the top comment I made. Plus you are the one who brought both Hillary and Sanders into a thread that had nothing to do with them.

You recycle the same old things (repeatedly) about the Dems. bc you have so few and try to compare those few things to the 0,000s that Trump does and try to say there are the same.

Hillary - Deplorables, insulted assault victims, sniper fire
Obama - Guns
Biden - If you vote for Trump you ain't black, they'll put you in chains.

nobody ever does this :jester:

where have you been? Did you go tarpon fishing again?

soon...you are more than welcome to join me for a few days...:kewl:

ok. so al of a sudden, you have reason to suspect their science is flawed. it may well be, but Gallup has been around for awhile, and i don’t recall you being skeptical. or are you only skeptical of polls you disagree with.

tax cuts
low unemployment
lowest black unemployment ever
soaring stock market
criminal justice reform
energy independence
peace accords in middle east
increased funding for black colleges
routing ISIS
no kids dying in questionable wars
very pro Israel

now, that’s not a comprehensive list of results, it’s only a list of what I’d call positive results. he had some big failures, did nothing to expand healthcare to the poor, etc. it also completely ignores his personality.

but when i look at that list, and i see a poll that says 56% of americans feel those things , altogether, improved their lives, i’m not sure
my reaction is to be doubtful. i would doubt that many americans would respond favorably to those things.

Do you?

if anyone else had accomplished these things, how different would the conversation be? and again, that doesn’t mean i think we should ignore his ethics, he absolutely should be measured by that as well.

But the democrats here seem completely unable
to ever talk about anything other than his horrible personality. that’s part of his presidency, but is it literally all there is? i don’t think it’s honest to ignore the good. When i say that, you guys tend to respond as if i’m saying ignore the bad, and i’ve never said that.
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After four years of Tweety, America is poorer, sicker, less respected in the world, monumentally more in debt and more divided than any time since Civil War. Under him, Republicans lost WH, Senate and House. Think about it. Was it worth it?

before the deaths at the capital i would have said well worth it. i still
think it was.

Obama left the democrats holding fewer elected positions than any time since the civil war. was he worth it? did you ever ask that question ( no, you didn’t).

If the democrats give voting rights to illegals, poof, TX is blue and you won’t see a republican president for decades at least. i dont know why they wouldn’t do that. i don’t know f joe manchin is committed to stopping them.

if they don’t do that, all the gop needs to do is run someone who will
deliver Trump-like policies without the immense personal baggage.

Make no mistake, 2020 was a complete disaster for the GOP. But they’re way better off then they were at this point in 2009 when obama
had a much larger majority in the house and a filibuster proof
majority in the senate. and the gop came roaring back from that.

which is exactly why i can’t see why they wouldn’t secure voting rights for illegals.
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You just have to watch the House Republicans defending Tweety today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUG9VzHoEoc

After three years of Trump (can't call him Tweety anymore--been lifetime banned from it) what you said is mostly false. That fourth year saw the whole world become sicker and poorer (not sure about China, but nobody can be sure that what China says is true). Putting the sicker and poorer on Trump is not honest. We would have been poorer and sicker under any other President given the pandemic.

Being divided is a two way highway. One side is not the sole problem. Pointing fingers at the other guy doesn't solve it. The division has been growing for a long while. Remember the divide between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street? Couldn't get more divided than that. The aftermath of those two movements morphed into the current parties. If you don't think the likes of Ocasio, Rashida, Ilhan, and the rise of the social justice/Post Modern/and Socialist elements in the Democrat Party are not equal partners in the division between them and traditionalist, "conservative" America, and prefer to put the blame on Trump, I, even further than usual, question your honesty, as well as your ability to think rationally, logically, or with some common sense.

You are, obviously, very intelligent. But you betray that by abandoning total honesty and using divisive, deceitful rhetoric. I understand the use of the rhetorical version of scorched earth in order to totally defeat an ideological or political opponent. But that is war, not honest dialog. Winning a war does not necessarily make a country, or a party, or a person, just, wise truthful, and good. It does not make you right in the battleground of ideas. It can lead to the opposite of all that is good. Many evil people and regimes have won wars and created misery and oppression.

If you are seen as tricky, deceitful, in dialog, your opinions are not trusted. You are far more likely persuade those who disagree with you if your argument is rigorously honest. Ranting, raving, and demagoguery is more likely to divide us than unite us.

History judges on the whole of a persons performance.

The divide is like between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street?
One a powerful part of a major party and the other a splinter group?

Yes, Occupy Wall Street is like the left wing of the democratic party, but the Trumplican Cult is far to the right of most Americans.

Few people see Nixon as having a good record, well then again you wouldn't be happy with his successes anyways.

Ten republicans voted yes and Trump has no social media account to spew his hate for them, it’s going to be a rough night in the residence.

Trump won in 2016 and reportedly got 74 million votes in 2020. That's a pretty huge "cult." And he doesn't seem to be far right, whatever that is. How many times does he have to condemn white supremacy, if that's what you mean by far right. He got a greater percentage of Black and Latino votes than many previous Republican Presidents.

You're deep into labeling and branding. To me that's an escape from fact to metaphor. Not very useful, other than to smear and deceitfully win political war.

And Nixon was quite Progressive, whatever that's worth. Nixon is refried political leftovers. Feast on him as much as you want. Not interested at this time.