Minneapolis teachers contract says white teachers get fired first
 

This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.

Constitution, shmonstitution.

We are becoming too stupid to live.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seniority.html

Poor victim :want:

Tucker said you're going to be replaced, didn't he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOz1Bdq1t2M

Well, it was a good run

it was, it was a pretty good run. Time to give another species a shot.
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how about telling us how it’s not a violation of the civil rights act, which is a federal law that explicitly prohibits employment discrimination based in race.

the victims are the kids, who get stuck with teachers whose qualification is skin color.

have you ever gotten one right?
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Jim doesn’t understand the Teachers voted for the contract.. so there’s no discrimination it’s a condition of employment….

And of course Jim lies talking about people getting fired

White teachers would be laid off first

That’s not fired

And when’s the last time you heard of teachers getting laid off

Another spoon feed outrage from the far right echo chamber
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You assume black teachers have no seniority and black teachers they will somehow take over theses schools

section states that if a nonwhite teacher is subject to excess, the district must instead excess a white teacher with the “next least” seniority

So basically if there are 150 white teachers And 4 black teachers and the need to lay 4 people off and 3 blacks have more seniority then the bottom 3 white and 1 black the black women keeps her job

Doesn’t sound that earth shattering

And please don’t make it sound as if you care about fairness all of a sudden

Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that
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the leftists are really in their glory when they can get on a good "you must be a racist" rant.....:cheers:

and you subscribe to and monitor all of them no doubt...tell us what they are saying in the comments... OK?

so instead of reading what i posted, you made stupid and wildly incorrect assumptions

The contract specifies that you group teachers by seniority, and fire the white ones first.

What if a white teacher happens to be the best teacher? Is that not possible?

anyway, you did what all of you do, you ignored what i said, and responded ( stupidly) to something i never came close to saying.

here’s a crazy idea…let’s judge people by what they do ( which we can all control) and leave color ( which we have no control over and therefore says absolutely nothing about us) out of it.

why not fire the tall teachers? or the blonde teachers?

do you ot see how stupid this is? just because it came from the left, you can’t criticize it. never.
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yup. it’s racist if i say skin color should not be considered.

it’s not racist to say that skin color is literally the only thing that matters.
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Soon, you’ll be replaced

They’re coming for your boat too…..

It’s white, isn’t it?
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You made stuff in your 1st sentence

This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.

Hence you have an integrity problem

2nd the contract was passed by the teachers themselves and

The policy doesn’t mention race, which better positions the district and union, experts say.

3rd it’s called a condition of employment

In my union we approved a contract that if you were seen smoking or using tobacco products you could be terminated

Of course those who got fired tried to say if violated their Rights.

The Courts said you willing negotiated that Right away for a raise

Same thing happened with detailed doctors notes people cried hippa

Courts sorry you negotiated that privacy away

This is no different just faux white outraged . Trying to claim it’s going to throw white better teachers out the door over black teachers who can’t possibly possess the same skills .. tell me I am wrong

Jim even under the old rules seniority would supersede the best teacher if they had no seniority

Didn’t see the Right complaining about that
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make it really really simple.

you have kids in a school. the school has to lay off a teacher. Would you rather (a) they fire the worst, laziest, least-skilled teacher, or (b) automatically fire the least senior white teacher, even if thatbhaooems to be a terrific teacher?

Have fun answering that.

everybody knows who the worst teachers are. How is it not best for the kids, to get rid of them first?
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I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections

and then once elected, hide democrats are beholden to those teachers and reward them with raises and benefits which dwarf what’s available to those who work in the private sector. That’s not corrupt.

here i’m CT, for ten years, the speaker of the state house of representatives was a liberal
democrat. Legislature is a part time job in CT, they all have full
time jobs. His full time job? He was a rep for the largest state employee union! He worked for the state employee union. So as a state rep, it was his job to vote on the size of his paycheck at his full
time job. No conflict of interest there!
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to funny your article has nothing to do with (a) they fire the worst, laziest, or keeping least-skilled teacher it's still all about seniority until it gets to the bottom of the list

but keep injecting something that doesn't apply

the way its written A white teacher would have the same protections if the majority of teachers we Black .. but again if the contract stated Race which it does :btu:not

what you don't know how a political action committee works ?



In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a 527 organization, that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.

they cant and dont use union funds to promote campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.

But again Scott don't let the facts get in your way :btu:

right. the article
doesn’t mention firing the worst teacher, because per the contract, they must fore the white teacher.

I don’t think you understand what’s happening. i’ll
see if i can put it into a pop-up book for you.

it’s not all about seniority. it’s about seniority and race
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Originally Posted by scottw View Post
I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections

he's wound pretty tight.....:bl:

so you’re saying that public teachers unions are political action committees? i agree. i was in one.
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he's just yelling about something that was never said again....

Here are endorsements pay a pac


Yet In You mind their telling their members who to vote for …

More fantasy’s
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Like usual you said nothing but implied much . Then you deny you meant anything what a surprise
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Yes Jim you were in a union . Not sure why? Your an anti unionist


And if you wanted you donated to your unions PAC or not

it’s was never required was it.

But it’s funny conservatives like yourself have no issues with dark money and corporate lobbyists

But a teacher union you see as a threat and their political sway is somehow unfair LOL
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i asked if you consider teachers unions to be PACs. you afraid to
answer?

teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.

when i taught, i offered to be the teacher moderator for the ping ping club. there was no money in it, the school was broke. i was happy to do it for free. I get a letter from the union ordering me not to do it unless they paid me.

All for the kids.

They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.
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Once again Jim you are trying to say unions and pac committees are the same thing shocking

Do you ever get tired of pounding a square pegs into a round holes





teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.

Yep teachers are so rich and they enrich Democratic’s

They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.


please spare me your conspiracy’s your just another victim blaming others because you don’t have their pay or their benefits or the guts to do the job … you re pettiness is pathetic for a grown man

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no, you just reacted reflexively and started spouting before thinking...

Shocking
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You speak as if the “Union” is a great and forbidding power.
You had the opportunity to become a union leader when you were a member.
Far easier to complain and accuse.

You’re upset that A teachers union was willing to do something that they viewed as positive for others, but claim they have no soul.

It’s ok for others to be compensated for their labor, but teachers are required to be called.
How Catholic of you.

Should all work in service of others be done for noble purpose with low compensation?

It costs ~$70 to produce a year’s supply of insulin. Yet, the average annual cost of insulin went from $2,864 in 2012 to $5,705 in 2016 to $12,000 in 2022.

That’s a 17,142% markup.😳 That isn’t inflation. It isn’t supply chain issues. It is 100% corporate greed.
It’s required for some to live, surely right up there with education.
Are the pharmaceutical companies also “soulless whores”?
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"Once again Jim you are trying to say unions and pac committees are the same thing shocking "

No, you said that. Scott mentioned a mailer from the teachers union asking people to vote for democrats, and you said thats what PACs do.

Wayne, what's the downside to firing the worst teachers, as opposed to the white teachers? Do you assume black teachers need this protection? Seems like you assume that if employment was based on actual ability, that black teachers would be the ones fired, and therefore they need this protection.

"because you don’t have their pay or their benefit"

Because if I did have their pay and benefits, my company would go bankrupt in a week, just as the liberal pro union states are drowning in debt. Funny how you never mention that.

Connecticut has debt it can never, ever pay. The biggest drivers of teh states debt, by far, are public union benefits. As more boomers retire, that debt is no longer a future theoretical thing, its becoming a current reality. WHen you make impossible promises, you can only out-run it for so long

When it blows up, the union leaders and democrats who promised them impossible benefits wont care, they'll be retired. Ironically, the ones who will get screwed will be the teachers, who were lied to by both their union and by elected democrats, told the lie that they could deliver benefits that aren't mathematically possible.

No, you said that. Scott mentioned a mailer from the teachers union asking people to vote for democrats, and you said thats what PACs do.

A he stated they told members how to vote And the candidates were recommended from the PAC committee

It’s on their web site under News


More General Assembly Endorsements

(August 12, 2022) - The National Education Association Rhode Island Political Action Committee for Education (NEARI-PACE) today announced more candidate endorsements for General Assembly primaries in 2022, rounding out their full slate for the primary. These candidates have demonstrated an alignment with NEARI ideals and will work toward policies to support public education and protect Rhode Island workers. We look forward to activating our 12,000 members and their families in support of these candidates.
The Rhode Island Primary is September 13. Vote by mail, early in-person at your City or Town Hall, or on Primary Election Day


I should have done better research , Guess what their not even a union …. But an association and They are set up like the NRA https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/. So clearly someone misrepresented the flyer
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wayne, why isn’t it better for children, if we keep the most talented teachers, regardless of skin color?
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Jim every state runs a debt the nation runs a debt. These are not household and can’t be run as such they need legacy investment looking out many years and generations ahead ….

Attached are the states who have retirements work workers . Many Red And the employees pay their % it’s the state who do not moving money around at the risk of those retirees or they get badly invested

And the Republicans only weaken the middle class by their decades of anti union rhetoric Why the Republican Party Wants to Destroy Labor Unions. The GOP sees unions and their supporters as enemies to be politically and economically destroyed. (But most Americans don’t agree see other attachments)


The right sees unions as a mainstay of the left, a crucial source of cash, campaign manpower and votes.

Yep Jim that’s why Republicans hate unions because Because of the way those in unions tend to vote . They don’t care about the worker their family it’s just that simple and sinister and you’ve bought into the same rational

At a campaign event someone had been attacking both the state teachers union and public employee pension funds.. and

This guy stood up and said ‘My father is a cop, my brother is a cop. They have pensions, I don’t, and it really pisses me off,’ ” Rosenthal recounted. “Damn it, this guy was talking about his father and brother. He was pissed that his own father and brother had pensions.”

It’s sounds like something you would think ?

The comment reflects the success of the Republican strategy of pitting those who see themselves as taxpayers against public sector unions, viewed by many as takers.

Sounds very close to your view on things random? Nope

Wayne, can you answer my question on why it's better for students to be taught by non-white teachers, than to be taught by the best teachers regardless of color? You seem to be going to great lengths to avoid answering that.

As to your debt data, yes all states have debt. Not all have the same debt, not even close...

Here is data from September 2021, ranking states by unfunded debt per capita (per citizen). The 6 states with the highest unfunded debt per capita?

NY
CT
Mass
IL
Alaska
CA

Other than Alaska, what do the rest of those states have in common, in terms of politics?



https://www.governing.com/finance/st...ebt-per-capita

The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

Interesting to see the states most dependent on fed aid:

https://commodity.com/blog/federal-aid-states/

What you always leave out, is that the fed (until Trump stopped it), gave residents of high-tax blue states a big federal tax deduction, not available to residents of low-tax red states. I'm referring to what used to be an un-capped deduction for state and local taxes, which is a big federal income tax break for residents of high tax blue states, paid for by people in low tax red states.

Paul, my brother retired after 37 years in education in June. For most of his career, he put 6% of his salary towards his pension, which will pay him 75% of the average of his 3 highest annual salaries, starting at age 59.

That math is a joke.

Compare to social security, where between me and my employer, I contribute 14% of my salary to the plan, and for my age, I'm not eligible until I'm 67, which would be 45 years of service, and I won't get ANYWHERE near 75% of the average of my 3 highest salaries.

I contribute twice as much to SS as he did to his pension, for 8 years longer, to get about one-third of the annual payment that he gets.

The math is stupid. And that's why we are where we are. When you spend more than there is, you get into serious trouble.

I am curious to know your opinion on a teacher contract that mandates that skin color be the determining factor in deciding which teachers get fired.

still beating that tired drum?