Bari Weiss should be given a listen to
 

Not a fan of Russel Brand, but everybody should give this a listen to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W3nxWLdByo

I have seen that video, and thought it was important, and wanted to post it, but knew If I did it would be dismissed as just another "Mr. Youtube" post and not watched or discussed.

I'm glad you posted it.

And Russel Brand is another one who comes from the left that sees the clear and present danger to "our democracy by the direct, or even indirect leverage, of government agencies over what information the public gets and their phony "debunking" that paints actual information as disinformation. The Twitter revelations show the direct hand of government control over information in order to discredit or shut down what it doesn't want the public to hear.

And, again, the typical government/media complex response is trying to discredit the Twitter files as nothing burger, nothing to see here, move on to more important and relevant things like Trump's tax records which are the real threat to "our Democracy."

Rolling Stone has obtained the Jan 6 committee's unreleased report on how Twitter and other social networks were used to fuel the insurrection.
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Let's posit that Trump is mentally and morally sound and that he wants the best for our country. By what calculus could you conclude that he has the skills to actually deliver results as president?
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He was doing quite well before covid.

Don't know what skills a President must have when the confluence of Deep State illegal tactics against him, opposition party treachery, haters in his own party, as well as fake news legacy media lying about him, constantly accusing him with insinuations, conjectures, inferences, implications, innuendos, hints, suggestions, without solid evidence, and all of the above constantly-without-end investigating him, all the while conspiring to prevent or falsely "debunk" information that favored him, trying to crush him with legal and political indictments in order to imprison him, remove him from office, prevent him from running, totally destroy him, and oh yeah, overturning his election--I don't know what extraordinary skills it would require to enable him to deliver results.

In the meantime, as the video, and the subject of this thread point out, the real and present danger to "our democracy," to our Republic, is that very pernicious, anti-constitutional government suppression of free speech. I know, from previous posts and threads of yours, that you approve of denying any voice to "conservative" views. So it serves your agenda well to change the subject.

It’s more of the same noise in your last video. supposed government, censorship coordination.

I don’t know how anyone can say they tried to bury the New York post story when it was in print it was on New York Post website it was on other websites, but they seem to be making their entire case that Twitter, is the only source of information in the country or the world. For people to be informed?

The latest complaint is that Fauci‘s daughter worked at Twitter since 2015 so she must had something to do with Covid. It’s all just more conspiracy theories !

There ate more ask factual evidence in the January 6 commission report then there is an anything this woman says, but the same people who support her dismiss that report out of hand. Funny how that works.
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On Tuesday, one of Brand’s recent YouTube videos, titled “Trump was RIGHT About Clinton & Russia Collusion!!” started going viral. In it, he claims there is “serious evidence” that Hillary Clinton worked with Russia to create this “conspiracy.”


And Russel Brand is another one who comes from the left that sees the clear and present danger to "our democracy

Wishful thinking

Perhaps Brand should be viewed as less of an ideologue and more of an opportunist;

Knows where the money is it’s in pushing crazy
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Twitter files as nothing burger,

They are nothing burger . they are a selected release by one man (Musk). without context to selected people, he selected , with. restrictions by musk ! that they must be released only on, Twitter yet Musk he chosen to not have any released to any independent news organizations of course, to avoid scrutiny

And you people are worried about government control of information it’s laughable
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The thing I found most interesting (if true) was the FBI gave various "news" outlets that suspected Russian misinformation was coming in regard to the whole thing so they were ready to remove the content.

Do you believe the government should have the power to suppress the flow of information regarding that "factual" evidence?

The American population doesn’t trust the government with their private information. Imagine how much better they’ll feel knowing that Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss are in possession of it instead.
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Trump is a mentally unwell, morally bankrupt person, comically unqualified for the presidency.

Otherwise decent people argue we should ignore this because ends.

Then he debased and disgraced his defenders, waging war against the ends for which they prostituted themselves.
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Yada, yada, yada . . . Meanwhile back to government suppression of speech . . .

The fact that you are not worried about it is tragic.

People tend to believe what they want to believe and that explains a lot of the far right leaning and if you think ALL news is being manipulated by the left or the government, you might be the one being manipulated.

Personally, I haven't run into anyone who thinks ALL news is being manipulated by the left. I'm mostly concerned by government manipulation of political speech being done by any form of government from whatever direction, left to right or middle or anarchical.

The only person controlling the flow of information I see is Musk only allowing 1 person Matt Taibbi Analysis these releases that only are allowed on twitter

And the biggest reason he won’t release any of the major news organizations as he doesn’t want any scrutiny. He’s in the camp of fake news they’re all in on it so he tries to twist it at this independent journalist is above reproach and no one needs to check his work for that would be called censorship

The government has always controlled the flow of information
This isn’t new.

The problem I see is your what you call factual evidence.

Is never based on facts .. it’s hearsay and innuendo and opinion

There’s never a smoking gun.

Still trying to figure out what speech they suppressed because so far I haven’t seen any examples.

Can you give us a few?
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Buffalo Bills Safety Hamlin in Critical Condition After Cardiac Arrest,


The response below are from the same type of people who think Trump won the election.
The FBI suppressed speech the Doj called parents domestic terrorist drag queen shows should be banned .
And Jan6th is a lie. And who the new House will put on a show for. And their latest saviorMusk
because he’s rich and he’s a genius. And they think that he validates their opinions.



These events are happening all over the world in young previously extremely healthy professional and non pro athletes with no indication of heart or other heart related problems. They all have one similar administered "health safety" inoculation as do 4 billion around the world supposedly given to reduce a certain viral infection called covid. Evidence has been released by world recognized scientists and heart specialists as to the one thing they all have in common, the covid vaccine. According to their research and factual evidence the VACCINE causes heart problems, aggressive cancers, blood clots and aneurysm's and a myriad of other serious ailments which cause "sudden death" or debilitating diseases that cause an inability to preform at previous levels and possibly life long disability. The impostor federal government , big pharma, intell agencies and others have suppressed this info and still are for unknown reasons other than possibly liabilities in the trillions of dollars in damages and or prosecution, yet they still disavow the vaccines as the problem. Researchers and fact checkers like Steve Kirsch and Ed Dowd have shown as many 2500 unexplained deaths PER DAY and 5000 disabling events from the vaccines PER DAY, at this rate our work force and military will be reduced to unsustainable levels and get this fact, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS will have to be trained to REPLACE them thus the open border debacle on our border.


So the guys name Ed dowel he’s a Rumble regular.

Claiming Ed Dowd: "Millennial age group, 25 to 44 experienced an 84% increase in excess mortality"

Blaming Covid vaccines

We’ll here is the problem .. those age groups are the lowest vaccinated in the country

The KFF poll, conducted May 18-25, found that the highest share of unvaccinated respondents were 30-49 years old (41%), followed by 29% ages 18-29 and 20%

But highest age groups for fentanyl overdose

Adults aged 26-39 years had the highest rates of fentanyl overdose deaths




Ed profession : Equity Investment Executive

Yep ( they used to be called snake oil salesmen). Now their Buyers call them and they . proclaim their experts peddling their wares to those who are the most gullible


5 min internet search is all it took to show his claims are bogus.

But you can’t have a conspiracy with out a cover up. And my information would be dismissed as false information because it came from the government..

All conspiracy are just never ending like playing wack a mole once one theory is disproven they just move on and another mole pops from the hole

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except no one is claiming that.

common tactic among the dim…when you can’t respond to what was actually said, then pretend he said something he actually never came close to saying, and respond to that instead.

Sure its possible, its the same FBI that did a sham investigation of Kavanaugh and exploited and then supressed info about Reality Winner exposing Russian interference for trump. There are trump loyalists there.
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O lord . . . if you don't see "debunking" the Hunter laptop story as Russian disinformation (when they knew it wasn't) in order to discredit and dismiss it is not suppression of speech, then why bother giving you any more examples--the examples, which you can find, even on google, of such suppression exposed in the Twitter files are numerous, but, very apparently, you will believe what you want to believe. Do your own research and believe what you want to believe.

Do you believe the Hunter Biden laptop is going to provide what exactly because the information on that laptop is so corrupted in the chain of custody. You can’t trust anything that’s on that, but that won’t stop you from believing it.


to say that you're OK with government oversight and control of the flow of information that can be delivered to the public. That would be unconstitutional, and rather frightening.

What’s frightening is you believe that it’s actually unconstitutional for the government to control the flow of information apparently, you’ve never heard of national security, top-secret information the Manhattan project I guess in your opinion does it all need to be fed to the public? As it happens

And, like I said, the Hunter, Biden laptop story was covered by many many different news agencies, someone suggesting to take something with a grain of salt, does not equal suppression


And I’m still confused by the hunter laptop story get your goat more than what happen on January 6 maybe you can explain why one is worse than the other
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wdmso would not believe that the FBI suppressed info . . . or would he . . . if it would fit whatever model he wanted to believe . . .

Do you believe that the FBI or any other government agency suppressing information is a threat to "our democracy"?

Sure, but Elon is far from a safe source.

Elon Musk is the first person in history to lose 200 BILLION dollars.

Let that sink in.
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Do you believe that the FBI or any other government agency suppressing information is a threat to "our democracy"?

The only threat to our democracy I’ve seen in my 57 years on this planet was on January 6 and a guy named Donald Trump

Question, do I think suppressing information? Is a threat to our democracy . I take exception with your definition of information. It seems very generic.

Can you be more specific on what information you’re speaking about so I could give you a more informed answer


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I am concerned about government suppression of speech. If you can show that government suppressed information about January 6, then I would be with you in saying that was wrong.

that government suppressed information about January 6, then I would be with you in saying that was wrong.

The elected government was the Threat from the Top down and many elected leaders to include Trump refused to testify. Willfully suppressing information.from Americas

As for Hunters laptop it’s a good thing it’ll go through a congressional committee, because it wouldn’t survive in a court of law and rules of evidence

If the DOJ doesn’t indict Trump, there’s no way they’re going to indict Hunter over a laptop

Hunters laptop is just noise for 2024 just like Benghazi was .

and I quote

Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), told Fox News’s Sean Hannity explicitly on Tuesday night that the Clinton investigation was part of a “strategy to fight and win.”
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so every time the right is accused of wrongdoing, they are guilty. every time the left is accused of wrongdoing, they are innocent, and the accusations are just a political stunt.

Every single time?

“over a laptop”.

right. it’s about Hunter having a laptop, not what may have been on the laptop.

wayne, the american people threw president trump out on his rump as soon as they could.

If the FBI is telling social media what stories to bury, that’s a problem because FBI officials aren’t elected. We can’t vote them out if we don’t like what they’re doing. That’s why it’s a bad idea for unelected bureaucrats to have a lot of power.

That’s why it’s a threat to democracy. With elected politicians, we can always un-elect them. Can’t do that with FBI agents or Dr Faucci. So people
like that shouldn’t be setting policy. They should be advising those who do.

This doesn’t mean i think January 6th was a good thing. It’s a separate issue.

A typical political strategy--not that it was just a pack of lies. And it wasn't a government attempt to suppress speech.

I still haven’t seen anything to suggest the FBI was trying to help Biden to hide anything ?

I saw a general message sent to all social media and news media to be aware of Russia influencing

And the Hunters laptop origin story is on par with Monica’s giz stained dress she happened to keep for over a year with Linda Tripp advice

Hunters laptop was clearly Planted to discredit Biden since that failed now they blame the FBI

Hell you have

Jim Jordan claiming on the floor of the house that the Biden administration has Weaponized the government against the American people..

It’s all theater for the republican party
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"I still haven’t seen anything to suggest the FBI was trying to help Biden to hide anything ?"

Come on Wayne. Mark Zuckerberg stated the FBI told them to watch out for Russian disinformation regarding Hunter, just before the laptop story broke. At that time, the FBI had the laptop, so they obviously knew it wasn't Russian disinformation.

"Jim Jordan claiming on the floor of the house that the Biden administration has Weaponized the government against the American people.."

The FBI misled a FISA court to get surveillance on Carter Page. The FBI went to Facebook and told them to be alert for bogus stories regarding Hunter (and as far as I know, the only thing Facebook censored regarding Hunter was the laptop, which we now know was legit). When the FBI arrested Roget Stone, they did so with a fully armed tactical team, after alerting CNN so they could be there to cover it. We all saw the emails between Trump-hating FBI agents Strzok and his mistress.


It's not the whole DOJ. But there's some politically motivated stuff happening there.

If you don't see it, it's because you don't want to see it, because it doesn't serve your narrative.

Do you know what's on the laptop? You seem convinced already it's a nothingburger.

"It’s all theater for the republican party"

As was the Russia hoax investigation.

Elections have consequences. It's the GOPs turn now. Is the GOP supposed to let the dems engage in political theater, and not do the same when it's their turn? What's good for the goose, right? Or is there some reason why only the Democrats get to engage in political witch hunts?

Democrats get to engage in political witch hunts?

How do you get convictions with witchhunts?
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Jim is so oblivious to the current or what will be the eventual criminal head count his party ends up owning and if you are old enough to remember the score of the Pats/Bears Super Bowl, that will be close to the blue vs red criminal convictions delta if the current gop lead congress decides to go on a revenge campaign instead of governing for all Americans.

Prove it. I’ll wait.

When the FBI arrested Roget Stone, they did so with a fully armed tactical team, after alerting CNN so they could be there to cover it.

I’d this the same source tell you what’s on Hunters laptop

More conspiracy Jim really.

Stone has repeatedly criticized the dramatic arrest at his home in January, which was caught on film by a CNN camera crew staking out his South Florida house. Stone claims CNN was tipped off about the arrest to film the raid,

Yep Stones credible lol
Of course more rumors and innuendo masquerading as facts

Law enforcement agencies often conduct early-morning arrests or raids with large numbers of officers and tactical equipment.

With stone they should include a bag over his head

they were armed Mar-a-Lago raid, also

Not sure why Republicans are against police or the FBI conducting raids via protocol as they would against other Americans?

So we should treat seditious scum with white gloves?
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Twitter Files 11: Hillary's Russia 'Cues' at Core of Intel Meddling

Now Hillary ? Musk feeding the right wing deep state narrative shocking


In depth reporting only allowed on twitter with a 280 character limit


And the right wing is spewing these conclusions

Ultimately, U.S. government influence at Twitter would work to derail Trump's administration, spur a widespread censorship campaign by U.S. government agencies during the 2020 presidential election and pandemic, and perhaps even light the fire for Russia's invasion of Ukraine,

Wow.amazing how republicans love to hate America when they lose elections and why they seek political power via lies or force


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I find. It odd Republicans are all over Tik Tok which have all the security flaws of Twitter and content yet

GOP Rep. Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin told NBC’s “Meet The Press TikTok is an addictive drug China’s government is providing to Americans, says the incoming chairman of a new House select committee on China.

As GOPers ban TikTok, they’re not keeping that same energy with Twitter
There seems to be an obvious reason Republicans are banning TikTok from government devices but not Twitter, which carries many of the same security risks.

What isn’t clear, though, is how these security issues are materially different from issues on social platforms Republicans tend to love these days — like Twitter and Facebook.

Both of those platforms, for example, have well-documented histories of being used by foreign governments to manipulate and demoralize Americans. Whistleblowers from both companies have come forward with damning claims. If the GOP were concerned about influence from foreign governments, you’d think more of them would decry the fact that the Saudis have openly touted their investment in Elon Musk’s Twitter.



The FBI is concerned that the Chinese government could use TikTok to influence American users or control their devices.


So let me get this straight the GOP trust the FBIs views on TikTok

Yet the FBI is in bed with Twitter

As I’ve said The Twitter-FBI story relies far more on insinuation than evidence

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/20/...ter-to-censor/

Some reading outside people’s bubble

But, since at least some of us still believe in facts and truth, let’s walk through this.
First up, we already did a huge, long debunker on the idea that the FBI (or any government entity) was in any way involved in the Twitter decision to block links to the Hunter Biden laptop story. Most of the people who believed that have either ignored that there was no evidence to support it, or have simply moved on to this new lie, suggesting that “the FBI” was “sending lists” to Twitter of people to censor.
The problem is that, once again, that’s not what “the Twitter Files” show, even as the reporters working on it — Matt Taibbi, Bari Weiss, and Michael Shellenberger — either don’t understand what they’re looking at or are deliberately misrepresenting it. I’m no fan of the FBI, and have spent much of the two and a half decades here at Techdirt criticizing it. But… there’s literally no scandal here (or if there is one, it’s something entirely different, which we’ll get to at the end of the article).
What the files show is that the FBI would occasionally (not very often, frankly) use reporting tools to alert Twitter to accounts that potentially violated Twitter’s rules. When the FBI did so, it was pretty clear that it was just flagging these accounts for Twitter to review, and had no expectation that the company would or would not do anything about it. In fact, they are explicit in their email that the accounts “may potentially constitute violations of Twitter’s Terms of Service” and that Twitter can take “any action or inaction deemed appropriate within Twitter policy.”

you can see that if they can get a 2703(d) order (again, signed by a judge) they can seek to obtain subscriber info, transaction records, retrieved communications, and unretrieved communications stored for more than 180 days (in the past, we’ve long complained about the whole 180 days thing, but that’s another issue).
You know what’s not on that list? “Censoring people.” It’s just not a thing.

It’s got nothing at all to do with “censorship demands.” And yet Musk and friends are going hog wild pushing this utter nonsense.




Notice the attached chart the FBI was seeking data request from Twitter since 2016. So Trumps FBI was doing the same thing ?

But it’s the liberals weaponizing the Government against the American people with this imaginary censorship regime and of course don’t for get the goose stepping IRS agents come to audit and steal your hard earned Money

wayne, no one on the right said that the FBI can never be trusted. Why is everything one extreme or the other?

Two things can be true at the same time. Some in the FBI could have very inappropriately tried to cleanse social media of things unfavorable to Biden. At the same time, the FBI might be right about Tik Tok and China.

In your mind, life is as simple as “the republican is always wrong.”. Most of us realize the world isn’t that simple.