Was He or Not
A prisoner of war or a deserter...soldiers from his platoon say he deserted and lives were lost looking for him...if he did desert he should be punished according to military law....Y did he have a hard time speaking English?
http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/b...ravery-n120051 And once again as Obama by-passed congress was this the way for him to start to try to close Gitmo?....since 2008 he could not close it. |
I'm glad I didn't have to make the decision as I'd have to weigh the fact that he was an Amercian citizen/soldier who voted D and seems like he deserted which caused many (I read at least 5) other soldiers to die searching for him.
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I hope they put a chip in each of the five they exchanged for him and lead the drones right to them......
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I think this was an effort to close the book. We can't claim to leave Afghanistan when there are POW's regardless of the reason. Lesson learned… The 5 transferred to Qatar don't appear to be hardcore terrorists and may actually help the Afghani government make amends. Welcome to 2014. -spence |
I was thinking the same thing about chipping those bad guys... I would not be surprised if they did
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Or could it be the plot line for the next season of Homeland
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they don't have to chip them
they just have to add a certain special and rare element that is traceable by Drone since chips can be seen and removed |
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Senior officials at the Afghan intelligence agency said they believed the men would return to the battlefield and bolster the insurgency just as most foreign combat troops prepare to exit by the end of this year. All five were classed as "high-risk" and "likely to pose a threat" by the Pentagon and held senior positions in the Taliban regime before it was toppled by a U.S.-led coalition in 2001. At least two of them are suspected of committing war crimes, including the murder of thousands of Afghan Shi'ites, according to leaked U.S. military cables. I just don't see how you can draw your conclusion |
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Yes, I thought of the chip also. Those were real bad guys.
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Total BS. This was treasonous . He appears to be a traitor and the deal smells of treason .
The results will be more American deaths and an emboldened Taliban Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Sounds like Congress has been informed of a potential deal but the timing was accelerated given a window of opportunity. This is certainly an interesting story but not worthy of mind-bending outrage. They guy was a US citizen and still a member of the Army. Sounds like he became pretty disillusioned and may have cracked. -spence |
He's not the only one that "cracked ."
It appears his dad is a little bit cracked too Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Of course the flip side is if he died in prison at the hands of the Taliban people would be screaming that Obama let a brave soldier go at the hands of the enemy...he could have done more...he should have done more etc...
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There was a good remark I heard by a senior Pentagon official who said don't let the workings of the military get mixed up with the politics of the White House. Watching FOX you'd think that Obama was personally handing them bomb vests as they walked out the gate... -spence |
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It certainly looks like he did desert his post, but why he wasn't declared a deserter is still a mystery...so technically he would certainly be considered a POW. Given that what he did was extremely reckless it would make you think that he cracked. Perhaps the Army didn't want to change his status until they had a chance to understand the motivation. -spence |
Interesting remarks from a former Bush official from a FOX Interview...that I for some reason went missing on their website :hihi:
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It was an excuse to return these 5 against the recommendations of all Involved. Maybe you can answer that Spence and come up with a plausible explanation ( excuse) for possible 14 dead great Americans looking for a deserter Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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The decision to move forward appears to be supported by many senior officials in the Administration and Military. Why do you say is against the "recommendations of all involved?" It appears he may have been a deserter, but if this was the result of stress or traumatic disorder does that make him any less of an American? It appears like this decision was thought through pretty well and supported by the military. Many republicans -- including John McCain -- publicly supported the idea of a GTMO prisoner swap. For what political reasons would Obama do something he knows is going to wind up the GOP conspiracy machine? Unless, Obama has a personal equity stake in FOX News! :hihi: -spence |
Here's a question for Spence...why shouldn't the Taliban, or any group of criminals/terrorists, now be convinced that in order to get what they want, they just need to start snatching Americans and trading for them. Presidents used to say "we don't negotiate with terrorists". There is a very good resason that Presidents used to say that. It sets a terrible, terrible precedent. Please explain to me whty this doesn't put every single American at greater risk of being kidnapped? It incentivizes terrorists to do this sgain.
I don't get it, I just don't get it. Meanwhile, the Pakistani doctor who helped us get Bin Laden is still in a Pakistani prison, and until recently (just back from vacation, don't know the latest), that jailed Marine was still in mexico. We are so much weaker. |
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Bush certainly did it in Iraq and I'd wager it happens a lot more frequently than most people are aware. -spence |
SPENCE!!!!
He is an American...he was not left behind.....now lets try him as a deserter....they will have enough evidence from his once comrades in arms... this is the 2nd biggest crime a military man can make...the 1st is turning his weapon on fellow military personal |
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"dismissed this notion by stating they're trying to snatch Americans all the time already" OK. So everyone is wrong who says that if you reward people for bad behavior, you will encourage more bad behavior. I want to be clear, that's what you are saying? It's not reasonable to assume that anyone out there will see that the Taliban was handsomely rewarded for kidnapping this American, and be more likely to follow suit? "Bush certainly did it in Iraq " He negotiated with terrorists? Please explain...Prisoner exchanges happen all the time, in accordance with the Geneva Convention. That's not what this was, not by a long shot. "I'd wager it happens a lot more frequently than most people are aware." Shocker. You'll wager that what your hero did here, wasn't stupid. |
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But in the mean time Fox will politicize the hell out of it to make a ton of money regardless. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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There ya go blaming fox news....my home page MSN had qoutes from two soldiers that were in his outfit....we will C what if anything is done to him.
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They'll seek these guys out, then the PR firms coordinate interviews with the most receptive media. Because it's getting attention everybody feels they have to cover it. Frankly I'd put a lot more faith in what our military leadership is saying about this whole event than the media. The coverage on most outlets has been lame and the coverage on Fox outright reprehensible. Really, really ugly. -spence |
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