presidential idiots for 2020 are increasing
 

Liz Warren is trying to make herself relevant again...and failing miserably.
Bernie is more and more like a cartoon character when he speaks.

The Dems are rolling out every possible candidate they can dig up in the hopes of finding one who isn't a total moron.

Most of these candidates are running for a potential cabinet position should the Dems take the White House.

Everyone in the pack, is trying to distinguish themselves, by appearing more radically liberal than everyone else. That's literally all it is. A game of socialist poker, with all of them continually upping the ante.

"I see your single-payer healthcare, and I raise you reparations".

That will work great in liberal strongholds like CA and CT. I'm not sure it helps sway voters in FL, NH, and OH. We'll see. As a Republican, I am thrilled at what I'm seeing them do.

If Biden stays in the center, he could be very formidable. But he's a terrible campaigner.

Ya but he’s a great crook.



https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...overnment/amp/
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The democratic field could not be doing more, to help get Trump get re-elected. If the could find a way to nominate someone like the 1996 version of Bill Clinton, I think he'd win 49 states. But they're probably going to nominate a entreme, radical communist, someone who will do great in CT and get creamed in FL

Based on Trumps rant on Fox, he may have a mental melt down well ahead of the 2020 run, now it was a coordinated attempted government take down. Its reality TV folks, Trump is fighting hard for the ratings.
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Is it worth investigating, to make sure the DOJ didn't overstep to influence the election? If everyone is so horrified at the thought of Russian meddling, isn't it also concerning if the DOJ did the same thing?

During the campaign, Trump said his campaign was being spied on. Everybody made fun of him. We now know, that he was correct, that's no longer in dispute.

Hilary paid for a garbage dossier that said an American citizen, Carter Page, was a Russian agent. The FBI used that garbage dossier, to apply for a FISA warrant to spy on Page. The DOJ released his name to the media, all of whom were happy to say he (as part of the Trump campaign) was a Russian agent. And he hasn't been charged with anything.

I don't like thought of the FBI using political campaign material as an excuse to spy on American citizens.

You mean like the reported inappropriate behavior reported today about Rosenstein sharing info on an ongoing investigation with the president, when he is a target of the investigation?
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no, i mean using knowingly bs allegations to get a warrant to spy on a fellow american citizen, because you don’t like the campaign he works
for. IF that happened, and it’s a big if, would that bother you?
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You mean like he, his family and campaign staff are communicating with a long time enemy of our country to see what they might offer to help in the election?
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Don’t bother, they don’t care.
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I know but it’s good to hold up the mirror and see if they see a reflection.
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Nice to see it has come to a point where both sides acknowledge their shortcomings and are moving forward with the greater good.
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I cared about investigating Trump, I said a million times let’s investigate and impeach if warranted. and I care whether or not the DOJ was colluding with Hilary’s campaign.

I care about the truth regardless of politics. You only care about it, when it could potentially benefit your side.

Try. Making. That. Wrong.
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how come when i bring up the possibility that the DOJ tried to influence politics, you immediately pivot to Trump?

Where does it say you can only care about one or the other? why is it a zero sum game?

Earth to Got Stripers...i cannot stand Trump and i said many times here that I support the investigation(s) into his collusion. I also said i wholeheartedly supported impeachment, if he committed an impeachable offense ( humiliating Hilary in an election and derailing her career, does not qualify).

I also support an investigation to determine whether or not that DOJ was acting as an arm of the Hilary campaign, rather than an impartial seeker of truth, when they admittedly used Hilary campaign fodder to get a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page, an American citizen never charged with anything.

Between me, you, and Spence, one of us supports investigations into either side, two of us only support investigations when the political outcome benefits us.

So who is impartial, and who are the politically motivated hypocrites, exactly?




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like someone said MANY times...the means justify the end....or the end justifies the means.... or...whatever.... :confused:

Just because your buying into Trumps deep state overthrow the government theory doesn’t make you the rational impartial one of three. But luckily for you and your search for the truth (there’s some irony when looking at this potus), Trump has appointed an impartial AG to investigate. Based on his impartial summary (wink wink) of the mueller report, i think we can all rest easy.
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Again, you IMMEDIATELY make it about Trump, not about what the DOJ might have done. That's TDS, boy.

I could care less what Trump has to say I saw the emails and texts among the senior DOJ and FBI officials. They freely admitted that the garbage, fabricated dossier was literally at the top of the list of reasons why Carter Page was spied on.

You know who Alan Dershowitz is? Harvard Law professor, and a lifelong prominent liberal. He says that it appears the DOJ attempted a coup.

Try to follow very closely, I don't care what Trump has to say. I am basing my opinions on what the DOJ and FBI officials themselves have said, what they admit they have done.

All you see, all you can process, is your disdain for Trump, and I agree with you about his ethics. But there is more to what's going on, than your obsession with Trump.

Anyway, you are demonstrably, foolishly wrong when you say I am being led by Trump. I'm responding to what we know happened.

Just because Trump is a jerk, doesn't mean it's not possible that the DOJ decided to put their thumbs on the scale during the 2016 election. There's some evidence there, enough to look into it.

If it's worth looking into whether or not Russia colluded with one presidential candidate, I think it's worth looking into whether or not the DOJ colluded with a presidential candidate, and I say that regardless of who the candidates are, regardless of which one I like over the other. I'm defending the whole process, I could care less who the individual is.

You and Spence act like you really, really don't want people to find out whether or not Obama's DOJ acted inappropriately.

That investigation is going to happen, and if it shows the Obama DOJ tried to prevent Trump from being potus for purely political reasons, you can bet that Trump's DOJ will announce that just before the 2020 election, and whoever the GOP candidate is, will win 45 states.

Let go of your obsession with Trump. Doesn't mean you don't pay attention, doesn't mean you don't point out the awful things he does, but don't let him blind you to everything else. Yuo don't seem like you can see anything else.

The thought that the DOJ could ever decide to influence the outcome of an election because they like one candidate over the other, should bother all of us. And that they tried to accomplish this by telling the world that Carter Page was a Russian agent, is horrifying. He's an American citizen, same as you. They used a dossier paid for by an opposing political campaign, to justify spying on him? You're OK with that? Seriously? The dossier was made up garbage, no one denies that.

I knew that would put your panties in a bunch.
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Be careful how hard you push Jim. He’s startIng to crack.
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This board lately seems to be all about name calling, button pushing, spelling bee, English corrections or just plain nonsense, thought I'd have a little fun with the routine that has become the political forum.

why are you concerned about russia meddling in our elections, but. it the fbi? alan dershowitz says it looks fishy, is he the second coming of sean hannity now?

when obama made fun of romney for saying russia was a threat, i bet you bought that was so cool. was obama right, or was romney right?
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my panties aren’t in a bunch. i asked a question to you and spence, neither of you answered, you both lobbed insults instead. he does that all the time, i haven’t seen you so it before.

when your beliefs cannot stand up to the weight of a question simple enough that a child would know to ask it, what does it say about your beliefs?

one last time, why is it of the utmost importance to have three investigations into russian interference in elections, but no concern when the DOJ appears to have done it? And you’re ok with the doj using Hilary campaign fodder to get FISA surveillance warrants on an american citizen, and leaking his name
to the press so everyone can say he’s a Russian agent, when he’s never been charged? They claimed he commuted a capital offense. the evidence, is that the hilary campaign paid someone to write it down. that’s all it takes to get spied on, and you have no opinion on that?

when you ignore the question and insult me, it says more about you than it does about me.
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Would you like some cheese to go with the whine?
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Ha!
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how about instead of cheese, you answer the question? i’m not whining, my pick is in the white house, the supreme court was miraculously saved and looking at maybe one more Trump pick ( Amy Barrett) this term, , my IRA is through the moon up
20% this year, Trump was not indicted for collusion, and the next investigation will be on the folks who think the FBI is their own private investigation firm to dig up dirt on the opposition.
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I think you're taking the deep state conspiracy theories a little too seriously Jim. There's no basis for your "appears."

You do realize Page was under FISA surveillance as early as 2014 don't you? Multiple Republican appointed federal judges ruled there was probable cause to believe he could be acting as a Russian agent.

Nobody did Jim.

Actually it was his relationships with Russians that got him watched. The Dossier was just another reason. The FBI said the info was political. A Judge ruled. There's no conspiracy...this is how the DOJ works.