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UserRemoved1 01-19-2007 06:08 AM

Michael Krepon, cofounder of the Washington-based Henry L. Stimson Center, a private group that studies national security, called the Chinese test very un-Chinese.

“There’s nothing subtle about this,” he said. “They’ve created a huge debris cloud that will last a quarter century or more. It’s at a higher elevation than the test we did in 1985, and for that one the last trackable debris took 17 years to clear out.”

I am very soon going to start buying only products made in the USA for everything I do no matter what the cost. Eff these doods I have had enough seeing this stuff.

Raven 01-19-2007 08:49 AM

Glad you picked up on that
I was gonna post it too,,,because i think it's

extremely signifigant...

i read about this one huge american job

a bridge or something on that scale...

and we were importing the steel from them

having it go by ship to America... WTF :huh:


JohnR 01-19-2007 08:57 AM

I'm making a more conscious effort to buy more American and less Chinese whenever possible. THough when stuck with the foreign I will try to go Japan, Korea, Taiwan ROC before the Red guys to the north...

China is doing some concerning work militarily, accelerated for the past decade. Compain about how cheap goods are because of low cost Chinese manufacturing. Apply that same rule to military procurment being cheap(er) for them and they develop, buy, or steal what they can on the engineering side..

OK - off my Anti-China soap box for a while

UserRemoved1 01-19-2007 09:42 AM

THIS has some VERY serious implications...

China anti-satellite test sparks space junk outcry

Jan 19 6:16 AM US/Eastern

China's test of an anti-satellite weapon has sparked concerns that the trial had caused dangerous debris to scatter into orbit, potentially threatening commercial and military satellites of other nations.

The website, quoting sources that it did not identify, said the January 1 strike against the old Chinese weather satellite had caused it to smash up into "hundreds of pieces, fluttering through low Earth orbit."

"The mess of space junk does put other satellites, including the International Space Station, at some risk,"'s Leonard David said, adding though that the chances of a strike were "very small."

The main repercussion of the Chinese test has been fears of an arms race in space -- but debris is another big source of concern.

The space age reaches 50 years on October 4 this year -- the anniversary of the launch of the Soviet satellite Sputnik -- and there are hundreds of thousands of pieces whirling in orbit, the result mainly of exploded rocket stages and broken-up satellites.

David Wright, co-director of the Global Security Programme at the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS), a US private advocacy group, said the satellite that was destroyed had a mass of 750 kilogrammes (1,650 pounds) and was orbiting at an altitude of 850 kilometers (520 miles).

Many commercial, military and navigational satellites orbit in the region of 900 kilometers (560 miles), he said. The maximum altitude of the International Space Station is around 450 kilometers (280 miles).

"The collision would be expected to completely fragment the satellite into millions of pieces of debris -- nearly 800 debris fragments of size 10 centimeters (four inches) or larger, nearly 40,000 debris fragments with size between one and 10 centimeters (half to four inches) and some two million fragments of size one millimeter (0.04 inch) or larger," said Wright.

"At the very high speeds these debris particles would have, particles as small as one millimeter (0.04 inch) can be very destructive."

Most satellites do not carry sufficient shielding for even tiny particles like this, and in any case shielding is ineffective against any debris larger than about one centimetre (half an inch) in size," said Wright in a statement.

The orbital region "is very heavily used by satellites for both civil and military uses, which are threatened by the added debris," he warned

Among those who voiced fears was Australia, which said on Friday that, in addition to worries about the militarisation of space, "we're concerned about the impact that debris from destroyed satellites could have on other satellites, which are very expensive pieces of equipment."

The danger from debris comes from the enormous speeds at which they travel, which means even very small pieces impact with high energy.

fishpoopoo 01-19-2007 09:45 AM

me chinese

me incite

me brew up a saterrite

UserRemoved1 01-19-2007 10:21 AM

weewee you vewy funny geye :D

fishpoopoo 01-19-2007 10:25 AM

oops, is this the poriticar folum?

clap. :scream2:

UserRemoved1 01-19-2007 11:34 AM

Yea I figured this was pretty political

This should go in the conservation forum...These people have no total regard for this environment or what they do to other people and the effects of what they do. Someday your going to wake up and like the Dodge Nitro commercial something is going to come out of the ground next to your house but it ain't gonna be a truck. It'll probably be some nasty bacterioacid waste from China.

Wait til one of these 100,000 pieces of debris hits a $2billion dollar satellite. 1cm would blow one of these things up like a bomb at 1000 mph.


Originally Posted by Bassturbed (Post 452527)
oops, is this the poriticar folum?

clap. :scream2:

Clammer 01-19-2007 12:20 PM


am I doing in here ??????

30 Years ago /when I had a real job / one of which was working in inventory accounting >.... which you had to keep a overall view on the inventory of the braches & what was being stocked // I had to actually catalog & assign a parts number for any new items ;;;
they had 36 branches in the Us / 11 in Canada & I can,t remember how many plants // somethings like 6 in the us / 3 in Canada & one overseas .................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I could see it happening /especially in our west cost branches // they were buying the same products we were making but for alot less money // everything from nuts & bolts to heavy steel ;;;
F$%^&*( nitwits were purchasing themselves right out og business .......... But to be competitive thay had toooooooooooo:whackin:

That being said ..........>>>>>>>>> I,m on my forth Toyota truck/ 3rd Tacoma >>>>>>>>> never mind the difference in price // I havn,t seen a truck that can touch these // JMO :read:

UserRemoved1 01-20-2007 05:02 AM


yea right

EFF China,00.html

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