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Jim in CT 05-12-2013 06:06 AM

Obama's IRS Targeted the Tea Party
 
I thought Obama didn't see people as "red", or "blue", but simply as "Americans".

Obama's political mentor, Bill Ayers, used bombs to deal with people who dared to disagree with him. Obama uses the might of the federal government.

IRS knew Tea Party targeted in 2011 | Fox News

Sorry Spence, that I had to rely on (ha-ha, wait for it!) "Faux News!" Chortle, chortle!

JohnR 05-12-2013 07:19 AM

Hard to think this is Obama, directly. Surely one of the minions, but this is indicative of a major problem with politicizing the government.

The government we deserve. Frackwits.

spence 05-12-2013 07:32 AM

Do we know if this was even political?
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Jim in CT 05-12-2013 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 998453)
Hard to think this is Obama, directly. Surely one of the minions, but this is indicative of a major problem with politicizing the government.

The government we deserve. Frackwits.

"Hard to think this is Obama, directly"

I'm sure you're correct.

But this is a man who has no use for those who disagree with him (the Republicans need to sit in the back of the bus, those who cling to guns and religion do so because they are bitter and racist, etc, etc), so it's not at all inconsistent with anything we know about him.

Nebe 05-12-2013 08:19 AM

Meh.
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Jim in CT 05-12-2013 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 998455)
Do we know if this was even political?
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I noticed that you had no problem leaping to the conclusion that the Benghazi hearings were a nothing more than a political witch hunt. You seem awfully slective with the manner in which you apply these things...Why is that, do you suppose?

Raven 05-12-2013 02:11 PM

IRS is a dirty dealin , unfair ,cheating group
if there ever was one....

the tax code is a friggan Joke

justplugit 05-12-2013 07:56 PM

Another Witch Hunt, I can't take it. :) :point:

Raven 05-13-2013 05:31 AM

not only that...but they simply love to order
a full investigation like they're free.

Sea Dangles 05-13-2013 06:33 AM

Wasn't the person most responsible a Bush appointee?

spence 05-13-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 998580)
Wasn't the person most responsible a Bush appointee?

Wouldn't matter, if it's an opportunity to embarrass the POTUS and waste taxpayer money then let's go for it.

I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad. To get tax exempt status your spending has to be focused on Social Work rather than Politics. And I think we'd all agree that there are a lot of groups that just ignore this...actually, in a lot of cases it's a joke.

With the eruption of organizations claiming to be affiliated to the Tea Party I'd say this would be some ripe territory to bust cheaters and help Uncle Sam increase revenues.

-spence

justplugit 05-13-2013 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven (Post 998577)
not only that...but they simply love to order
a full investigation like they're free.

Rav, I was just being sarcastic as that is what the Libs would say. :hihi:
This is not good stuff, and the fact they were targeting certain political
groups is profiling at it's best. This had to come from somebody at the top.

The IRS will be the monitors for Obamacare , think they are hiring 16,000
more people, and they are the ones who will hold our personal health record information. Not good, not good at all.
I like when Congress is doing investigations, keeps them from having the time to write more Bills and Regulations, along with finding new ways to raise our taxes. :D

buckman 05-13-2013 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 998585)

I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad. To get tax exempt status your spending has to be focused on Social Work rather than Politics. And I think we'd all agree that there are a lot of groups that just ignore this...actually, in a lot of cases it's a joke.


-spence

Like Planned Parenthood . I agree
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Jim in CT 05-13-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 998585)
Wouldn't matter, if it's an opportunity to embarrass the POTUS and waste taxpayer money then let's go for it.

I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad. To get tax exempt status your spending has to be focused on Social Work rather than Politics. And I think we'd all agree that there are a lot of groups that just ignore this...actually, in a lot of cases it's a joke.

With the eruption of organizations claiming to be affiliated to the Tea Party I'd say this would be some ripe territory to bust cheaters and help Uncle Sam increase revenues.

-spence

"if it's an opportunity to...waste taxpayer money then let's go for it."

Spence, we are all glad that you are so committed to avoiding the wasting of taxpayers money. We all know that's a cornerstone of your agenda...

"I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad"

I, for one, am shocked that you don't believe it's partisan.

If the Tea Party doesn't deserve tax-exempt status, don't give it to them. But don't single out conservative groups for investigation...

spence 05-13-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 998595)
Like Planned Parenthood . I agree
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Quite different. Most of all Planned Parenthood spending goes towards STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, contraception and women's health.

How much does PP spend on political influence?

That's the point.

-spence

RIROCKHOUND 05-13-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 998595)
Like Planned Parenthood . I agree
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Or Heritage Foundation, or American Solutions for Winning the Future or Occupy, or......

This is a big deal, and the appropriate people should be canned. But to call this "Nixonian" show the tapes or email where it came from anywhere near the White House. I also read one report where one of the higherups called for it on all political groups, not just conservative...

RIJIMMY 05-13-2013 11:27 AM

Officials at the Internal Revenue Service knew in June 2011 that their agents were targeting conservative groups for additional scrutiny on tax documents, the report indicates.

Lois Lerner, director of tax-exempt organizations for the IRS, publicly admitted Friday for the first time that agents used the keywords "tea party" and "patriot" to flag applications for further review, but she stressed that was done as a "shortcut" for picking the applications to review, not out of "political bias."

buckman 05-13-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 998613)
Quite different. Most of all Planned Parenthood spending goes towards STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, contraception and women's health.

How much does PP spend on political influence?

That's the point.

-spence

About 2 million, with an interesting increase during Obama years
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RIROCKHOUND 05-13-2013 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 998620)
Lois Lerner, director of tax-exempt organizations for the IRS, publicly admitted Friday for the first time that agents used the keywords "tea party" and "patriot" to flag applications for further review, but she stressed that was done as a "shortcut" for picking the applications to review, not out of "political bias."

So, if that is true, then it is key, but proving intent is tough. If they were keying off of Occupy, or MoveOn then I guess it would be fairer...

either way, I still haven't seen anything about this being Obama's idea...

spence 05-13-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 998624)
About 2 million, with an interesting increase during Obama years
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Why is that interesting?

They spent 1.9 million in 2011 but most years it's around 500K.

Over the past decade that represents about 1/2 of a percent a year. Not a lot...

-spence

Jim in CT 05-13-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 998613)
Quite different. Most of all Planned Parenthood spending goes towards STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, contraception and women's health.

How much does PP spend on political influence?

That's the point.

-spence

"Most of all Planned Parenthood spending goes towards STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, contraception and women's health."

As usual, you ignored the things that make Planned Parenthood look repugnant, God forbid you tell the whole truth. You seemed to have forgotten lots of abortions, and a willingness to help organize international prostitution rings of under-aged girls. How does that one jive with the concern for women's health?

buckman 05-13-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 998632)
Why is that interesting?

They spent 1.9 million in 2011 but most years it's around 500K.

Over the past decade that represents about 1/2 of a percent a year. Not a lot...

-spence

I don't think that 500k is an average since 2009 , is it???
I find it interesting because Obamacare encompasses quite a bit of money for them doesn't it ?

Let's get back to the case at hand .
The blatant use of the IRS to target Tea Party groups .
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Mr. Sandman 05-13-2013 02:12 PM

It's O's admin and you voted these Aholes back in.

Whoops I was just targeted!!

buckman 05-13-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman (Post 998643)
It's O's admin and you voted these Aholes back in.

Whoops I was just targeted!!

No it's always some low-level employee'. Those that are ultimately accountable, are never held accountable. Just ask them...
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spence 05-13-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 998634)
As usual, you ignored the things that make Planned Parenthood look repugnant, God forbid you tell the whole truth. You seemed to have forgotten lots of abortions, and a willingness to help organize international prostitution rings of under-aged girls. How does that one jive with the concern for women's health?

I didn't ignore anything, only about 3% of their services are abortion related.

As for prostitution, you really need to read a little more...

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Planned Parenthood, a perennial protest target because of its role in providing abortions, has notified the FBI that at least 12 of its health centers were visited recently by a man purporting to be a sex trafficker but who may instead be part of an attempted ruse to entrap clinic employees.

In each case, according to Planned Parenthood, the man sought to speak privately with a clinic employee and then requested information about health services for sex workers, including some who he said were minors and in the U.S. illegally.

Planned Parenthood's vice president for communications, Stuart Schear, said the organization has requested an FBI probe of the man's claims and has already fielded some initial FBI inquiries. However, Schear said Planned Parenthood's own investigation indicates that the man has links with Live Action, an anti-abortion group that has conducted previous undercover projects aimed at discrediting the nation's leading abortion provider.

-Washington Post
-spence

Fly Rod 05-13-2013 03:05 PM

Prostitution thru Planned Parenthood.....Is it free????? ....I really do not want to have to pay for it ........I'm frugal.....LMAO......:)

Jim in CT 05-13-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 998648)
I didn't ignore anything, only about 3% of their services are abortion related.

As for prostitution, you really need to read a little more...



-spence

Oh, I see...so Planned Parenthood wasn't concerned (nor are you concerned) that its employees were willing to advise on how to run a ring of 8 year-old prostitutes. What's really important here (to you and PP) is that someone posed as someone else, and came in with a hidden camers.

Spence, who gives a sh*t what group that camera crew is linked to? Did you see the videos? The issue here, the only issue, is that a multitude of PP employees gave prostitution advice, instead of calling the police.

SO instead of admitting they have a scandal on their hands, PP (and you, of course) try to pretend that the real issue is wih the camera crew.

Have you no shame? None at all?

P.S., we are all still waiting for your evidence that special forces troops weren't sent into Libya, because the Libyans didn't want us to send them. I am all atwitter with anticipation...

spence 05-13-2013 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 998654)
Oh, I see...so Planned Parenthood wasn't concerned (nor are you concerned) that its employees were willing to advise on how to run a ring of 8 year-old prostitutes. What's really important here (to you and PP) is that someone posed as someone else, and came in with a hidden camers.

Spence, who gives a sh*t what group that camera crew is linked to? Did you see the videos? The issue here, the only issue, is that a multitude of PP employees gave prostitution advice, instead of calling the police.

SO instead of admitting they have a scandal on their hands, PP (and you, of course) try to pretend that the real issue is wih the camera crew.

Have you no shame? None at all?

Actually, they called the FBI.

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P.S., we are all still waiting for your evidence that special forces troops weren't sent into Libya, because the Libyans didn't want us to send them. I am all atwitter with anticipation...
I never said that. It's just more bat#^&#^&#^&#^& nonsense you made up.

-spence

justplugit 05-13-2013 05:32 PM

Well we know the President isn't involved because he said today he just
found out about it Friday.
He also said, even though the IRS confessed already,"if this a fact" it is outrageous and needs to be dealt with.

What's this, the Associated Press reporters have been wire tapped
by the Justice Dept. ??

Jim in CT 05-13-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 998662)
Actually, they called the FBI.


I never said that. It's just more bat#^&#^&#^&#^& nonsense you made up.

-spence

"Actually, they called the FBI"

They called the FBI to report the camera crew that set up the sting. They didn't call the FBI to come arrest their employees who were so casually complicit, some joking around, about aiding in prostitution.

Somehow, Planned Parenthood sees themselves as the victim here. Neither they, nor you, will utter a syllable about what their employees did.

Jim in CT 05-14-2013 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 998585)
I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad. -spence

According to the Inspector General report, "IRS’s scrutiny went beyond keywords to target ideology.”

So according to the inspector general (who probably knows almost as much about this as you do), ideology was the basis for IRS targeting. The Denver Post ran that on their front page.

Still think there's good odds that it wasn't political?

There's no evidence that Obama had anything to do with this. But any child knows it was political.

Read more: Media can't ignore Obama IRS, Benghazi scandals | Fox News

Raider Ronnie 05-14-2013 09:13 AM

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Yup

justplugit 05-18-2013 02:39 PM

WTH is this, IRS employees have received $92,million in bonuses since 2009 under the new Administration?
Interesting, for what, showing up for work? Since when did Government workers
receive tax payer bonuses, what was the target they had to exceed to get one?

According to one report, 16,900 employees got them including Commissioner
Byrd $60,270 and Lois Lerner, head of tax exempt dept $42,900.

Who in this Administration came up with this idea, why and what were their goals?

spence 05-18-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 998728)
So according to the inspector general (who probably knows almost as much about this as you do), ideology was the basis for IRS targeting. The Denver Post ran that on their front page.

Still think there's good odds that it wasn't political?

You think they were out to stick it to the Tea Party?

Evidence so far just makes it look like an overburdened group was trying to be efficient. That they were targeting ideology doesn't mean it was political...

-spence

Jim in CT 05-18-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 999298)
You think they were out to stick it to the Tea Party?

Evidence so far just makes it look like an overburdened group was trying to be efficient. That they were targeting ideology doesn't mean it was political...

-spence

"You think they were out to stick it to the Tea Party?"

I think that's established fact at this point...that's what the IRS admitted, and it's why the interim director of the IRS got the axe.

"look like an overburdened group was trying to be efficient. "

They sought efficiency by flagging applications that had the words "tea party" in them. So you're saying the temporry head of the IRS got fired, because his employees were trying to be "efficient". That makes tons of sense.

This is probably the most absurd, dishonest thing you have ever posted. The IRS is admitting the bias, but you still won't admit it.

That's a nice culture of intolerance implemented by Obama. Republicans sit in the back of the bus, punish your enemies, conservatives cling to guns and religion because we are bitter and racist...are these the sentiments you want in a President?

spence 05-18-2013 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 999303)
"You think they were out to stick it to the Tea Party?"

I think that's established fact at this point...that's what the IRS admitted, and it's why the interim director of the IRS got the axe.

"look like an overburdened group was trying to be efficient. "

They sought efficiency by flagging applications that had the words "tea party" in them. So you're saying the temporry head of the IRS got fired, because his employees were trying to be "efficient". That makes tons of sense.

This is probably the most absurd, dishonest thing you have ever posted. The IRS is admitting the bias, but you still won't admit it.

That's a nice culture of intolerance implemented by Obama. Republicans sit in the back of the bus, punish your enemies, conservatives cling to guns and religion because we are bitter and racist...are these the sentiments you want in a President?

The IRS has never admitted their actions were politically motivated. You don't seem to be able to grasp the difference.

-spence

Jim in CT 05-18-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 999309)
The IRS has never admitted their actions were politically motivated. You don't seem to be able to grasp the difference.

-spence

Spence, if the IRS' motives for targeting the Tea Party were not political, please tell me what they were. Is it because the IRS likes the Red Sox, and the Tea Party likes the Yankees? Is that what it was?

Why do you suppose the IRS flagged applications based on the words "tea party", and not on the words "hooray abortion" or "gimme gimme gimme"? Good luck with that...

Nebe 05-18-2013 06:14 PM

Their motives were due to the fact that the tea party is anti government anti taxes.
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spence 05-18-2013 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 999311)
Spence, if the IRS' motives for targeting the Tea Party were not political, please tell me what they were. Is it because the IRS likes the Red Sox, and the Tea Party likes the Yankees? Is that what it was?

Why do you suppose the IRS flagged applications based on the words "tea party", and not on the words "hooray abortion" or "gimme gimme gimme"? Good luck with that...

They targeted the Tea Party because it was easy.

-spence

justplugit 05-18-2013 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 999303)
The IRS is admitting the bias, but you still won't admit it.

JIM, this has to be Spence playing the Devil's Advocate here, it's the only possible explanation. :hihi:


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