Saber rattling.
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the language used by both and the support for such language from supporters ..to achieve their goals

.. will the real Dear leader please stand up...


and in a parallel universe the adults are walking back Trumps rhetoric... and doing what the last several administration have done look for a Diplomatic solution .. the Military has never been off the table for any of them


Mr Mattis, speaking in California late on Thursday, said it was his job as defence secretary to be ready for conflict.
But he said the diplomatic effort, under Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and UN Ambassador Nikki Haley, "has diplomatic traction, it is gaining diplomatic results".

And Trump is simple stating the obvious .
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this strategy has worked ok for Iran. Maybe he believes the world wont respect him as a nuclear power unless he makes threats and acts tough. the old fear = respect idea

I was searching on line for any criticism of Putin by Pres. Trump. Tough to find anything of substance.

Yes, but whatever happened to 'walk softly and carry a big stick'? Trump seems to be 'walk loudly and my staff will walk back my comments...'

Nothing is going to happen.... North Korea is now a nuclear power. As long as NK doesn't attack US or Allies, we will not do anything.

China just came out today to help cement this fact, by stating if North korea starts anything, China will remain neutral. if SK and US try to strike first China pledged to stop us.

Kim Jung Un just got invited to sit at the adults table for Thanksgiving. no more little kids table.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...rea-first.html

There has been little, sadly. But Squirrel!

Snark: Are they willing to trade Beijing and Shanghai for Pyongyang and Wosan?


Yet another lousy wrinkle in a lousy circumstance in a lousy situation with lousy options. I am truly shocked and surprised that the great Obama could not resolve this before, but then Rice and Rhodes would not be able to twitterrant on how well they left everything for the next admin.

Give the Atlantic article I posted a read John; the biggest complexity is NK's non-nuke arms and short range nuke potential... If we strike them they will get a lot of fire away into SK and maybe Japan. The Kim's are demagogues of the worst kind, but I don't think he is a martyr.

Read the article yesterday, as well as several others . Ohhh, and I appreciate the Bush or Clinton as well. But you rarely hear the media mention the full context of this. It is all Trump's fault.

Not defending Trump

I figured you had, you are always well versed on this stuff. No, not all trumps fault, this is build up since post-Korean war, but it could culminate with his bluster and bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I much prefer Mattis and Kelley working on this while DJT is playing golf and tweeting about McConnell or Hillary.

I do too. BTW - I blame all of them but the real development and increase in severity has occurred on O's watch. Poor engagement by Bush was eclipsed by "Strategic Patience" and the options have reduced.

From a casualty point of view, 200k-500k dead 5 years ago, versus , 500k-2mil dead now to 5-20 million dead in ten years.

I really hope there is a diplo solution but I do not think that is possible.

Now that Guam is in the News maybe we can get them the ability to vote since they are now at the tip of the spear :btu:



Citizens of Guam may not vote in general elections for President.

They should just feel lucky their island didn't tip over
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ha..ha...ha...was that Maxine Waters?... or was she the one that wanted them to move the camera so she could see where the astronauts planted the flag on Jupiter


I think his inference was that Hillary would have won Guam(according to a straw poll or something) and that probably would have swung things in her favor?

Isolation.
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diplomatic secret weapon

Scott should I think your inference is no they shouldn't vote there not Real Americans

If the POTUS and past POTUS can use Guam as a pawn in world politics by seeing an attack on it as an attack on America and Guamanians can server in our military fight in Americas Wars they should be treated as a Complete US citizen and be allowed to Vote ..

Guam, a U.S. possession since it was taken in 1898 from the Spanish, is the only American soil with a sizable population to have been occupied by a foreign military power.

During World War II, the Japanese held the island for almost three years and brutalized nearly everyone on it. They created concentration camps, forcing the indigenous Chamorro people to provide slave labor and sex.

"If there is a group of Americans who understand the price of freedom, we do," said Michael W. Cruz, lieutenant governor of Guam and a colonel in the Army National Guard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012602050.html

I'd be shocked if you didn't:jester:...I don't have any problem with Guamanians voting...