But but the Steel dossier
 

This Time storie must be another lie from the main stream media

How a Ukrainian Oligarch Wanted by U.S. Authorities Helped Giuliani Attack Biden

But the right will see this as acceptable.. to funny

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.co...en/%3famp=true

Another nothing burger
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here are your fries

President Trump deputized lawyer Rudy Giuliani to run a shadow foreign policy for Ukraine outside the State Department, witnesses told Congress this past week — and the White House said people should "get over it.":lama:

Sounds illegal.
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I wonder what comes of this.
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The end of America as a world power
The rise of China and Russia
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And yet another funny by you.

Not entirely wrong, not entirely right.

We, the USA, have done a poor job of leadership since the end of the Cold War. Remember the less than a couple decade Unipolar World?

Russia and China are doing their damnedest, successfully, to move back into a Multipolar World. Russia and China want to counterbalance us, and it has been increasingly easy.

I agree with your assessment, with the possible exception that China does not merely want to counterbalance us. I believe it wants to replace us.

And that has been going on for a long while, with our help, way before Trump. If anything, Trump is actually putting a little monkey wrench into China's rise with his trade war.

Do I think that he will succeed in getting China to play "fair"? I have my doubts. the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese people are two different things. The CCP is firstly and mainly about keeping its power over the Chinese people intact. Anything that would weaken that power or destroy it is a non-starter. Any trade agreement that would lessen its economic ability to fund its Belt and Road policy and its ability to expand its infrastructure drive to build more and more centralized mega cities that can attract its huge rural populations and their multicultural tendencies that tend to be a bit independent off those lands into those cities would not be a welcomed agreement.

I think The CCP would rather wait Trump out, hoping he will either be forced out of office, or lose support and not be elected nor have the power to exert any more pressure on China while he finishes his term. And anything the CCP can do to assure any of those outcomes would be preferable to it rather than bowing to some "fair" trade agreement that would make it poorer and less powerful.

If Trump had the full support of our political machines and our media and of the American people, and was a lock to be re-elected. China might well think differently about stalling or negating a deal that would end tariffs.

What other options are there to prevent China from achieving its plan to be the dominant world power? There is war, which nobody wants. And there is persuading the rest of the world that what China is doing is not in their interest, best or otherwise. No other administration did anything in either of those directions. If anything, they did the opposite.

I listened to an interview of a young Chinese college student going to college in the USA within the past few months likely on NPR in my car.
She could not understand why in the USA people did not feel like they did in China.
In China she said the leaders know the right thing to do and of course the people and media support them.
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chinese leaders do the right thing? yes let’s be more
like them and execute people who disagree with trump.
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Thanks for your insight Mr. SkyIsFalling
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Pete, I was not suggesting that "full support" for Trump meant lockstep like the enforced lockstep imposed in China. I meant full support of him being a duly elected President rather than constantly investigating whether he might be a Nazi, or Putin puppet (without any real evidence that he is either), and criticizing everything he says and resisting everything he tries to do.

Let's just say it's "bad optics" to "resist" his every effort (even when some of those things were what Dems claimed they were for). It's bad foreign policy optics to try to paint him as the embodiment of evil, guilty of every sin prescribed by our leftists--racist, homophobe, misogynist, Nazi, Alt-Right, any and every other phobe, as well as being a crafty evil manipulative mastermind con man who is also dumb as a rock.

Giving him even some of the courtesy given to past Presidents, many of whom were more scandalous than him, even when they were in office, might present to the world that we truly support "our democracy" and as well, more importantly, our Republic, and support the leaders that we have duly elected, even though we may have disagreements on various policies.

When we weaken our President mainly in order to defeat him and regain power (as the optics profoundly indicate), we weaken the ability of our government to assert the necessary power and unity required to influence and persuade other nations and adversaries to even consider giving us the time of day when we ask for the diplomatic quid pro quo that you claim is always a part of diplomacy.

China may well be licking its chops, laughing at us in the way Trump is being treated, not only because it thinks that as a result of that it can wait Trump out. But because it doesn't look like we really believe in a truly democratic process. That we are really authoritarians at heart who are willing to destroy those we vote for merely to gain power. That is, we are like them, not supposedly liberty loving "Americans" (with all that connotes), and it is they, not us, who have the right way to govern. It reinforces any notion they might have that they are not just governing by force because the masses are too ignorant to properly govern themselves, but that they are morally, politically, and existentially right in doing so.

Or, to state it with less verbiage, destroying Trump makes it easier for the Chinese Communists to ignore him. And with him out of the way, they can focus strictly on going back to the American politics that existed pre-Trump, and more easily continue on to world dominance.

Trump destroys himself
Tillerson’s reported appraisal is correct
Type all you want🍔
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Show me where I said I agree her view that is identical to Detbuch’s is correct?
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the end of america as “the” world power may be coming to an end. Not an end as “a” world power.
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So Trump was who made the stupid, false, accusation that he conspired with the Russians to win an election.

So Trump was the one falsely claiming that he is a racist, misogynist, Nazi loving, homophobic, scumbag con artist, a failure in business, and just plain all around corrupt and stupid in any conceivable way?

So Trump was who insisted that he obstructed an investigation of a nonexistent crime?

So Trump was who demanded that everything he tried to do was to do be resisted, and that everything he said be deliberately misconstrued to make him appear evil?

So it was Trump who demanded he be investigated for doing what he had the legal right to do? And that he should be under some suspicion and investigation ad infinitum?

Yeah . . . sure . . . Trump destroys himself.

Maybe you have trouble with reading comprehension, or you're deliberately twisting what I said into something I didn't say.

Current modeling shows we lose to Russia and China in war.
Doesn't matter if that is reality or a model.
Other nations that we need as allies and/or need our support will pick sides based on who is the reliable and strong leader.
Trump has demonstrated himself to be neither of those.
See Kurds, Ukraine, Theresa May, Macron, Hong Kong, Korea and on have been thrown under the bus for short term political gains and that's the best I can attribute his motives to.

Who will the Russians pick off after Ukraine?
What will China do after the South China Sea domination as their next step?
China in Central America, Bahamas?

Remember Great Britain, now on their way to becoming England with a few associates.

“doesn’t matter if that’s reality or a
model.”

it matters if the model is a lousy model with laughable assumptions.

we set china on the path to becoming a dominant force, long before january 2017.

and again, when Romney expresses concern about Russia, Obama mocked him, and everyone loved when Obama
did so.
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Most people in the world blindly follow their leaders assuming the best, it's human nature. She has the same viewpoint as you and fully supports her government, counting on them to be correct. She has seen the USA, went to school here for many years.

She could not understand why in the USA people did not feel like they did in China.
In China she said the leaders know the right thing to do and of course the people and media support them.

As far as investigating the possibility of Russian influence on our 2016 elections (the purpose of the Mueller investigation) Trump's failure to cooperate and obstruction, along with people refusing to testify or pleading the 5th is reason enough to question if he knew of, aided or abetted Russia's hand in his election.

If you think there are no connections between Trump and Russia look at John Dowd's letter to the Intelligence Committee dated October 3rd:
Be advised that Messrs. Parnas and Fruman assisted Mr. Giuliani in connection with his representation of President Trump. Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman have also been represented by Mr. Giuliani in connection with their personal and business affairs. They also assisted Joseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing in their law practice. Thus, certain information you seek in your September 30, 2019, letter is protected by the attorney-client, attorney work product and other privileges.

What is the source of Parnas and Frumans funding?
A Russian oligarch.
What are they now charged with?

There you go asking questions again. Let us know when you come up with proven answers.