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wdmso 05-14-2019 07:12 AM

Trump Greets Hungary's Hard-Right Leader
 
"People have a lot of respect for this Prime Minister," said the president in a photo-op in the Oval Office before their meeting. Trump went on to warmly praise the Hungarian leader. "He's a respected man. And I know he's a tough man, but he's a respected man. And he's done the right thing, according to many people, on immigration."



oh how Trump loves his Strongmen And Dictators and he lavaises them with praise .. and his supporters are with him all the way :smash:

Got Stripers 05-14-2019 07:14 AM

Long live the king.
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Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 07:46 AM

My youngest son has a school trip to Budapest next year with the school choir. This year they went to Switzerland to perform,lucky guy!
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scottw 05-14-2019 08:19 AM

Wayne...what exactly is your problem with Orbán?

The Dad Fisherman 05-14-2019 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1167245)
Wayne...what exactly is your problem with Orbán?

Pavlov's Liberal

Trump said something and he drooled

Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1167245)
Wayne...what exactly is your problem with Orbán?

My guess is that when Wayne discovered that hillary and soros were not fans that he simply echoed their sentiments. He is tough on immigration which many countries in the EU wish they had also demonstrated.
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Pete F. 05-14-2019 10:09 AM

Orban's great if you want
The economy is good, sort of......
Anti immigrant political platform
A big border wall
Media controlled by the government, he got rid of the opposition fake news
A one party system in all but name
A loaded Supreme Court
Well on it's way to a kleptocracy
Hate George Soros
Sounds like a likely hero to some, doesn't he?

Got Stripers 05-14-2019 10:09 AM

It's reported that he has taken control over 80% of all media in the country and uses it to promote his agenda, Trump would love to have that kind of control. He also loves his hard line on immigration and tough ruling practices.

The Dad Fisherman 05-14-2019 10:18 AM

He's here as a visiting dignitary, would you prefer he spat in his face and kicked him in the shin.

Pete F. 05-14-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1167253)
He's here as a visiting dignitary, would you prefer he spat in his face and kicked him in the shin.

There is a reason no one has invited him in the past 20 years.
There is a reason the EU voted to sanction Hungary
Perhaps the "slave law" might be one reason
Seizing control of 80% of the media
We need to be careful who we support

scottw 05-14-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1167254)

We need to be careful who we support

yeah...probably shoulda gone with the secret meetings and airplanes full of cash route

scottw 05-14-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1167252)
It's reported that he has no control over 80% of all media in the country and uses it to promote his agenda, Trump would love to have that kind of control.

ummmm ...trump has no control over more that 80% of the American media

Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1167254)
There is a reason no one has invited him in the past 20 years.
There is a reason the EU voted to sanction Hungary
Perhaps the "slave law" might be one reason
Seizing control of 80% of the media
We need to be careful who we support

Yet,he has twice been elected as leader of his country. There must be a reason they chose to replace the socialist regime. Kudos to the Hungarians for deciding to preserve their identity that so many other countries have helplessly watched fade away. The list is long,ask Belgium,Sweden,France,Germany and all others who no longer recognize their homelands. Search immigration and crime on wiki and then tell me you wish that happened to you.
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The Dad Fisherman 05-14-2019 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1167254)
There is a reason no one has invited him in the past 20 years.
There is a reason the EU voted to sanction Hungary
Perhaps the "slave law" might be one reason
Seizing control of 80% of the media
We need to be careful who we support

Here in the U.S. we just refer to that as being Salary

wdmso 05-14-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1167257)
Yet,he has twice been elected as leader of his country. There must be a reason they chose to replace the socialist regime. Kudos to the Hungarians for deciding to preserve their identity that so many other countries have helplessly watched fade away. The list is long,ask Belgium,Sweden,France,Germany and all others who no longer recognize their homelands. Search immigration and crime on wiki and then tell me you wish that happened to you.
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What a mighty white power rant ..
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wdmso 05-14-2019 11:42 AM

limiting press freedom, undermining judicial independence, targeting independent nongovernmental groups, encouraging racist and anti-Semitic conspiracies and cracking down on the Central European University, an institution founded by Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros. This is why Trump loves him he has a mini me...
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Pete F. 05-14-2019 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1167257)
Yet,he has twice been elected as leader of his country. There must be a reason they chose to replace the socialist regime. Kudos to the Hungarians for deciding to preserve their identity that so many other countries have helplessly watched fade away. The list is long,ask Belgium,Sweden,France,Germany and all others who no longer recognize their homelands. Search immigration and crime on wiki and then tell me you wish that happened to you.
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Illiberal Christian Democracy will solve all the ills.
All depends on how you read the statistics and if you value your freedom.
Freedom has it's price and it's not for wimps that need a "strong" man, like Orban or Trump to save them.
The toll to all for them being saved comes later.

scottw 05-14-2019 11:55 AM

leftists speak their own weird language...it's kinda like ebonics but not really...I hope they understand each other

Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1167259)
What a mighty white power rant ..
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Funny you interpret it this way when I did not mention color. That is simply because it has nothing to do with color. If your observation was one of preserving the identity of the welcoming nation then you would have simply read my words instead of trying to digest them and regurgitate your tired agenda. Instead you choose your typical cowardice and make it about color.
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Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1167261)
Illiberal Christian Democracy will solve all the ills.
All depends on how you read the statistics and if you value your freedom.
Freedom has it's price and it's not for wimps that need a "strong" man, like Orban or Trump to save them.
The toll to all for them being saved comes later.

Like I pointed out,he was elected by his countrymen. But you want to tell them it is bad or wrong. What is freedom to you? As far as statistics, I read them as they are presented. I dot make #^&#^&#^&#^& up or interpret to make a case like some.🙄
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Pete F. 05-14-2019 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1167264)
Like I pointed out,he was elected by his countrymen. But you want to tell them it is bad or wrong. What is freedom to you? As far as statistics, I read them as they are presented. I dot make #^&#^&#^&#^& up or interpret to make a case like some.🙄
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When the government funds payments for elections, controls the media and limits the opposition, you can make sure you get elected.
Hungary's population is dropping, and out migration is increasing.
Wonderful formula for a successful society he has.

Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 02:04 PM

Pete, you need to digest the context. He has served as leader on two separate occasions. The second election came while socialists were in power. Did the government fund his re election? Did he “control” the media at this juncture? Please think a little harder because that is like pretending Trump controlled the media to get elected. Try to be smarter than you are acting. I am not saying he is perfect but he is the candidate the country obviously elected for a reason. Sound familiar? As far as folks leaving the country, there is markedly more folks who are leaving other countries in the region so the problem is not unique to Hungary.
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wdmso 05-14-2019 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1167263)
Funny you interpret it this way when I did not mention color. That is simply because it has nothing to do with color. If your observation was one of preserving the identity of the welcoming nation then you would have simply read my words instead of trying to digest them and regurgitate your tired agenda. Instead you choose your typical cowardice and make it about color.
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Your attempt at a defense shows you how clueless you really are on the topic .. you hit every white supremacy talking point there is ..

I suggest you do some research on some of the county's you listed who's identity is at risk and how those who you are suggesting are at fault came to live in those countries
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Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 02:28 PM

I feel bad for the people struggling in their homeland,I really do. And I am not suggesting they are at fault. This is a political spoof that burdened formerly peaceful countries,very simple. I suggest you get off the spineless lefty propaganda and do the research. Go to Brussels, Stockholm,Paris or Munich and talk to some locals about how their safety and way of life have forever changed because it is not for the better. Remove the blindfold and try reality. When you open your doors and invite anybody who wants to come without a vetting process, and you think they will acclimate...you are sorely mistaken. This has nothing to do with color or your chicken little talking points. You won’t be pressing 1 to speak Hungarian in Budapest.
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Pete F. 05-14-2019 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1167266)
Pete, you need to digest the context. He has served as leader on two separate occasions. The second election came while socialists were in power. Did the government fund his re election? Did he “control” the media at this juncture? Please think a little harder because that is like pretending Trump controlled the media to get elected. Try to be smarter than you are acting. I am not saying he is perfect but he is the candidate the country obviously elected for a reason. Sound familiar? As far as folks leaving the country, there is markedly more folks who are leaving other countries in the region so the problem is not unique to Hungary.
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He came back because the other party was more of a mess, doesn't make him good just less #^&#^&#^&#^&ty, like Trump and Clinton, pick your pile.
He now has consolidated his control of the media, political power and is growing a kleptocracy. Look a little harder.

detbuch 05-14-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1167274)
He came back because the other party was more of a mess, doesn't make him good just less #^&#^&#^&#^&ty, like Trump and Clinton, pick your pile.
He now has consolidated his control of the media, political power and is growing a kleptocracy. Look a little harder.

What is your evidence that Orbán is in it for personal gain?

wdmso 05-14-2019 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1167270)
I feel bad for the people struggling in their homeland,I really do. And I am not suggesting they are at fault. This is a political spoof that burdened formerly peaceful countries,very simple. I suggest you get off the spineless lefty propaganda and do the research. Go to Brussels, Stockholm,Paris or Munich and talk to some locals about how their safety and way of life have forever changed because it is not for the better. Remove the blindfold and try reality. When you open your doors and invite anybody who wants to come without a vetting process, and you think they will acclimate...you are sorely mistaken. This has nothing to do with color or your chicken little talking points. You won’t be pressing 1 to speak Hungarian in Budapest.
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keep regurgitating the Rights Talking points from the fear of mexicans and fear of invasion
here in the USA and stick it on europe the same Right parties spread the same fear and misinformation

Trump’s comments on European immigration mirror white nationalist rhetoric

The argument — that immigration changes existing “culture” for the worse — is a staple of white nationalist rhetoric in the United States.


I was in Munich 2014 at the height of the migrants crisis.. for octoberfest most northbound trains from salzburg were canceled I saw none of the fear your promoting and going to paris and england all with a long history of having immigrants most from their colony days

When you say this has nothing to do with Color or religion.. your just allowing yourself to be blinded by Nationalism as if its a benign Idea

PS More Portuguese than any other nationality: Eight percent of France’s migrant population in 2012 was born in Portugal, little fall river i Guess

and who riots every saturday in France that's right the french over gas prices ... but those pesky immigrants

detbuch 05-14-2019 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1167277)
keep regurgitating the Rights Talking points from the fear of mexicans and fear of invasion
here in the USA and stick it on europe the same Right parties spread the same fear and misinformation

Why do you constantly cast the "Right" as being afraid? Oh . . . that's right . . . it's a "Left" talking point. Your left leaning sources have told you that the "Right" is full of fear, racism, and misinformation. The "Right" is not capable of rational thought. It can't think logically--just dumb, brutish, selfish, animals trained by malevolent, greedy capitalist overlords.

But the "Right" has its own talking points. And they don't make you look so good.

So long as the conversation is a war of talking points, it ain't gonna resolve a damn thing. But keep up the good work. We're all the better for it.


Trump’s comments on European immigration mirror white nationalist rhetoric

White Nationalists eat, sleep, poop, work, and mess around just like you. You often mirror White nationalists.

Oh . . . I forgot . . . white nationalist is a "Left" talking point that is added to the list of nasty things that the "Right" is.

Be careful when you say or do something. It might mirror white nationalists.


The argument — that immigration changes existing “culture” for the worse — is a staple of white nationalist rhetoric in the United States.

Actually, "culture" existed before and apart from white nationalists. Most normal people thrive on, and in, a culture. It is one of the most important elements that make up any human society. European countries have an even stronger attachment to their cultural identities than Americans do.

For the longest time, there was a question if there was such a thing as an American culture. But there always was. It just wasn't based on outward material elements like food or clothing or music and such things, but on a state of mind. A belief that an American was a free individual bonded with other Americans in a loyalty to that belief, and that anyone who chose to immigrate here would become an American first, regardless of what they ate or sang, and that they would support and embrace American principles, its history, and its founding system which guarantees our freedom.

As simple minded, or backward as you may think it, destruction of culture creates psychological chaos. It's not that culture may be changed for the worse, but that it may be destroyed. Evolving change over time is not chaotic nor threatening to new generations. But mass immigration creating instant large communities different in almost every way and intransigent in their resistance to acculturation can be a physical as well as a psychological disruption.

Neither in Europe nor in America has mass immigration been well thought out.


I was in Munich 2014 at the height of the migrants crisis.. for octoberfest most northbound trains from salzburg were canceled I saw none of the fear your promoting and going to paris and england all with a long history of having immigrants most from their colony days

Apparently, then, all is going well. Right . . .

I said, on this forum a while ago, that their was an underreported (in "liberal" media) and growing rise against the mass immigration being forced on the European people. It is now evolving into a shift away from the political left to the right because of the ill conceived foisting of millions of so-called "refugees" on the various populations. It is not only changing the political makeup of countries, but is also threatening the cohesion of the EU.


When you say this has nothing to do with Color or religion.. your just allowing yourself to be blinded by Nationalism as if its a benign Idea

So then, why all of a sudden are Europeans changing from "liberal" minded acceptors of all races and religions and, dare I say the word, cultures, and now forcefully being against accepting them as permanent residents? What happened in a handful of years that Europeans have become bigots?

PS More Portuguese than any other nationality: Eight percent of France’s migrant population in 2012 was born in Portugal, little fall river i Guess

Well isn't that precious . . . oh, wait . . . Portuguese are European . . .

and who riots every saturday in France that's right the french over gas prices ... but those pesky immigrants

Right. The protests . . . why are you referring to protests as riots? Oh yeah, probably a talking point . . . if it's from the "Left" it's just "protests" . . . if its from the "Right" it's "riots."

And, oh yea, they're just about gas prices. Even though Macron has tried to economically bribe the "yellow vests" but they still persist.

Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1167277)
keep regurgitating the Rights Talking points from the fear of mexicans and fear of invasion
here in the USA and stick it on europe the same Right parties spread the same fear and misinformation

Trump’s comments on European immigration mirror white nationalist rhetoric

The argument — that immigration changes existing “culture” for the worse — is a staple of white nationalist rhetoric in the United States.


I was in Munich 2014 at the height of the migrants crisis.. for octoberfest most northbound trains from salzburg were canceled I saw none of the fear your promoting and going to paris and england all with a long history of having immigrants most from their colony days

When you say this has nothing to do with Color or religion.. your just allowing yourself to be blinded by Nationalism as if its a benign Idea

PS More Portuguese than any other nationality: Eight percent of France’s migrant population in 2012 was born in Portugal, little fall river i Guess

and who riots every saturday in France that's right the french over gas prices ... but those pesky immigrants

That settles it,you are either a fool or a Republican plant. I think I know which but I don’t want to hurt your feelings. Take a look at the increase in crime in all the countries YOU mentioned. Haha . ANd I am not talking protests, these savage rapists have turned quiet communities upside down. Do me a favor and use your google to see how happy the Swedish citizens are with their new neighbors.
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Sea Dangles 05-14-2019 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1167274)
He came back because the other party was more of a mess, doesn't make him good just less #^&#^&#^&#^&ty, like Trump and Clinton, pick your pile.
He now has consolidated his control of the media, political power and is growing a kleptocracy. Look a little harder.

This is what freedom looks like Pete,it’s not as easy as sharing some pie.
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