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Jim in CT 02-01-2017 11:38 AM

Trumps SCOTUS pick
 
Let the fireworks begin, this is going to be dramatic politics, and likely very divisive.

The GOP did not attempt to block Obama's picks of Kagan (who is fine, though I disagree with her often)) and Sotomayor (who is a maniac). But then they dug in their heels and refused to give the other guy a hearing.

If the GOP wants to block the filibuster with the nuclear option, on one hand, they can say that the Dems did the same thing. On the other hand, the dems can say (correctly) that they did it with lower court picks, but not SCOTUS picks. On the other hand, the GOP can say (correctly) they didn't force the Dems to consider the nuclear option for SCOTUS , because the GOP didn't try to block Kagan or Sotomayor. They went along with those two picks.

This pick does not change the makeup of the court - one staunch conservative replaced by another. There may be future picks that really change the makeup of the court. Ginsburg should maybe have retired when Obama and the GOP would have replaced her with a comparable liberal.

Also, I don't like hearing Schumer and Pelosi attack the nominee because his decisions have had adverse consequences for women. Have they ever taken high school civics? The role of the judge is to apply the law fairly, he isn't supposed to spend one second thinking about the outcome of the decision, or where his sympathies might lie. His only job is to apply the law equally to both parties. That's exactly why the statues of lady justice are blindfolded. The judge isn't supposed to care bout man/woman, rich/poor, or powerful/weak. If the law is flawed, it's the legislature's job to address that, not the judge's job. If he interpreted the law incorrectly, that is fair criticism. If he applied the law in a way that led to unfortunate consequences for a sympathetic party, that has no bearing whatsoever. A judge isn't supposed to be predisposed to rule in favor of groups he has personal empathy for. He is bound by the law.

This is going to be fascinating. In the end, if the Dems try to filibuster, I presume the GOP will borrow Harry Reid's trick and go nuclear. Unless there is something in his past that legitimately disqualifies him, he's going in. The Dems will have bigger SCOTUS battles down the road, than this pick. If kennedy, or god help the dems, Ginsburg, retires, there will be the possibility of really altering the curt to the right.

Nebe 02-01-2017 06:26 PM

While everyone is freaking out about this in the next couple of days, the Dakota access pipeline is going to be given its final easement. I doubt the news will even cover it.

Sneaky aren't they?
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wdmso 02-01-2017 06:32 PM

filibuster explained

what we see more often is a type of procedural roadblock based on the Cloture Rule (Rule XXII). Cloture is the process that brings debate to an eventual end by imposing a time limit of 30 hours on debate. To pass, cloture requires 60 votes, more than the simple 51 vote majority required to actually pass the bill itself. This means that 41 senators can prevent a vote on any bill or nomination that might otherwise pass with a vote of saw 55-45. What’s more, they don’t actually have to be on their feet talking or debating; they merely have to state their intention to filibuster, thus making the process quite painless and anonymous for themselves, which is how they like it. This has become known as the "silent filibuster," and it is a weapon wielded with increasing frequency by the Senate minority.

Justfishin' 02-04-2017 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1116148)
While everyone is freaking out about this in the next couple of days, the Dakota access pipeline is going to be given its final easement. I doubt the news will even cover it.

Sneaky aren't they?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Yep. And they'll just keep doing just that, re-focusing the spotlight on a playground fight while they line their pockets and burn the planet.

But hey, don't worry- they're gonna fix Wall Street next. While everyone's busy watching The Apprentice (after all, it's important to the POTUS), they'll fix Dodd-Frank and the Volker rule to remove all the regs that were put in to prevent another meltdown. Soon you'll be able to buy a $750,000 home with nothing down and a $600 a week paycheck again. Ain't life grand?

Ian 02-04-2017 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Justfishin' (Post 1116307)
Yep. And they'll just keep doing just that, re-focusing the spotlight on a playground fight while they line their pockets and burn the planet.

But hey, don't worry- they're gonna fix Wall Street next. While everyone's busy watching The Apprentice (after all, it's important to the POTUS), they'll fix Dodd-Frank and the Volker rule to remove all the regs that were put in to prevent another meltdown. Soon you'll be able to buy a $750,000 home with nothing down and a $600 a week paycheck again. Ain't life grand?

While I don't believe in the sensationalist word choices, he kinda got it right...

https://youtu.be/PKZKETizybw
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Justfishin' 02-06-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1116311)
While I don't believe in the sensationalist word choices, he kinda got it right...

https://youtu.be/PKZKETizybw
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While I had'nt seen that commentary- and thanks for putting it up-
he describes my fear.
And, as he says, what are we going to do about it?

detbuch 02-06-2017 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Justfishin' (Post 1116394)
While I had'nt seen that commentary- and thanks for putting it up-
he describes my fear.
And, as he says, what are we going to do about it?

According to Olberman, there is nothing that "we" can do about it. He wanted to recommend a revolution, but figured that was not viable because the corporations make the guns and ammo. And the politicians are all bought and paid for by the corporations. So I guess we will have to just suck it up and become serfs for the corporate landlords.

Makes me wonder what will happen to corporate profits if all their customers are serfs.


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