Iran has 10 US Sailors from 2 small boats
They may have suffered mechanical breakdown on one and drifted into territorial waters surrounding an Iranian island in the middle of the Gulf
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/13/wo...=tw-share&_r=0 "It was unclear how contact with the boats had been lost, and Navy officials in Washington said they were trying to determine what had happened. One official said the two vessels had failed to make a scheduled rendezvous with a larger ship to refuel." I have difficulty understanding why even if one failed there was no tow and they would allow themselves to drift. Unless they both ran out ?? Smells fishy. |
Sounds to me like it was a test
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Didn't this happen to the Brits a few years ago? Iran isn't going to hurt them and the last thing you want to do is make it a big deal which is what they want. Idiot on MSNBC is stomping his feet insisting Obama should make demands his speech tonight. Duh...
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all were released as of 0500 BBC Check out a map they were heading from kuwait to bahrain and got picked up around the farsi Islands .. 2 small boats running at High speed who approved that route ?? No reason for the Iran to detain the crews but their armed forces act independent of their Government most of the time
Sounds like a little cat and mouse didn't go as planned the out come could have been worse |
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Glad it ended well. |
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Spence, how about the fact that the Pakistani doctor that helped us get Bin Laden is still in a Pakistani prison? And we still send tons of cash to Pakistan? Obama couldn't make THAT deal? He couldn't threaten to hold up payments until the guy was released? When we elect a POTUS who has never done anything in the real world, who has spent his entire life in Ivy League faculty rooms, this is what you get. If you were directing a sitcom for TV, and you wanted to cast an uber-liberal Ivy League professor to show that education doesn't equate to real-life problem-solving ability, you couldn't come up with a better character than Obama, he is right out of central casting. |
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A lot of fail in the planning and perhaps execution of this little cruise. Plus Murphy (and the Iranians) gets a vote. |
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Our sailers surrendering must have been humiliating . Watching the captain apologizing was infuriating.
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But as for the Sailor in the interview not sure why he did it he may have ended his career if he made that call .. not saying he needed to stick to the name rank and serial number line something maybe like yea we broke down and we have been treated well and thats it |
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I wouldn't call what they did as a Surrender |
What is the big deal if someone said "sorry" ? While there is probably more to the story as to why the navy was in Iranian waters, the fact is that they were. I'd say sorry too... Wouldn't you?
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Real world Reality's need not apply .. what do you suppose they should have done ? shoot it out? > do you think if we boarded an armed Iranian gun boat We wouldn't want their hands up where we could see them.. for Our mens safety |
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"Sorry" is an admission of Guilt.. But Because he wears the Uniform of the United States Navy His statements can be used as a propaganda both home and abroad .. As it all ready is by the Iranians and American Conservatives Who are more alike than either one cares to admit |
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Perhaps people should revisit the idea that it looks like the Navy 'effed up and we violated their territory. It's shocking, shocking to see the Iranians detain them briefly to ensure they're not spies, give them what looked to be a nice meal and let them go. Certainly this can only represent the insane weakness the USA currently projects. Are we going to stand for this? |
What if the Hawks in the upper sphere of the navy sent these guys to get caught to provoke further action ? What if they figured this would turn into a hostage situation and pull us into Syria and another Iraq war situation? That's how I see this as a possible explanation for why they were caught in Iranian waters. However, I could be totally off base.
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Gulf of Tonkin (sp?). Remember that ? Was that not a bunch of shenanigans ?
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Ah.. Yes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Take a bunch of words out of context and a bunch of ugly unflattering photos, and laugh at it. Sounds like the business model for MSNBC News. |
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Far from a hater I am an Independent If my name was Trump you would applaud me for not being politically correct and calling it as I see it But because I see the World differently then you I became a default Hater .. My comments are not provided to me Via email facebook or some blogger .. I am sorry you feel the pointing out reality over fantasy is Me using propaganda adjective 1. holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion. synonyms: traditionalist, traditional, conventional, orthodox, old-fashioned, dyed-in-the-wool, hidebound, unadventurous, set in one's ways; More noun 1. a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics. synonyms: right-winger, reactionary, rightist, diehard; More This is How Iran and US conservatives have more in common than you wish to acknowledge... Never said they are the Same only there are similarities.. it easier to see with a World view Then a partisan world View "Surrender" Another example that every Bass is a 50Lber |
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Not just pause, and let that sink in for a bit...... |
No need to let it sink in. False flag with a broken halyard. :hihi:
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But differences don't only breed conflict. They only do so when some differences are mandated over and against others. If we are free to express them without oppressing or denying others the same freedom, they give rise to human progress in our arts and sciences and even politics. In all things human--if we are free to express them without oppressing or denying others the same freedom. Freedom to express differences is a most powerful engine of evolution. I believe original constitutionalism provides us with a governmental structure which guarantees that freedom in a purer more fundamental way than can Progressivism. We can agree to disagree, but that ends dialogue, and feeds into political wars which allows for continual erosion of our guarantee against being more and more subjected to that ancient system of governmental control. That control which opposes what is still the newest political concept--government by consent of the governed. And control is a most powerful engine of stagnation, lack of or hindering evolution. The greatest difference between our constitutional system and benevolent dictatorship, is if the former is followed as intended, there is a GUARANTEE of rights and freedoms, but in benevolent dictatorship, there is no guarantee, only dependence and hope that government will allow us rights and freedoms. BTW, saying you are a hater, as you apparently didn't notice, was just fun sarc by responding how others like Spence, PaulS, Eben, etc. have done (including saying apples and oranges, depends on context, and so on). I enjoyed the past few posts I made doing so. It was so easy. Didn't have to use logic, reasonable argument, present a thesis . . . just little, irritating, ride by's. |
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