No Eben, if you want to buy a shot gun in RI you go to your LGS, buy it, fill out a bunch of forms, have your personal information floated by your local PD (yes) where they run your info against the national back ground system with the Feds and see if there is anything disqualifying there. Then you get to wait 7 days.

Besides, if you walked into your LGS you might need to lie on the form (ATF Form 4473) about partaking in certain, umm, substances :eyes: .

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/44...53009/download

The only way you can go into a LGS and buy a gun and walk out with it that day is if you have a Concealed Carry License, and you have already jumped through more hoops.

uh, NO

there are questions asked

maybe but I think you are bright enough to understand who they are. I am speaking of the control freaks and we all know who the control freaks are

In Vermont I can walk into a gun shop and after a phone call to ATF and a payment walk out with any legal firearm. Is that bad? More than 1 suicide happened last year the day a gun was bought, you decide.
Our rights come at a cost to society paid by individuals.
I’m concerned that choosing a hard line may preserve the status quo for now but will end with the repeal of the second amendment.
Time will tell
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Good luck with that - getting 2/3rds of both houses to repeal. Then ratified by the states.

Why are you concerned? It would obviously be a good thing to get rid of those pesky rights thingies. They come at a cost to society. Imagine how rich society would be if rights, except those "reasonable" ones that government allows us to have, were eliminated. Probly could wipe out that unsustainable debt we've created as a result of us having too many rights.

all i hear from you and other 2a supporters is the same broken record Their coming for our guns .. I ask who and your this is your answer ?


we all know who the control freaks are.. No we dont lets hear some names names maybe an organization or is this more deep-state voodoo

To get a gun I need to get a license. for that, first I need to take a safety course, then have a background check, and then get the approval of the Police Chief.

A woman can ALWAYS get Birth control, you're confusing her access to it with who gets the bill.

If a person wants to kill themselves they are going to do it, regardless of whether they get a gun that day or not. the evil there is not the gun, its depression.

I've personally known 5 people that tried to commit suicide, 4 succeeded, none of them used a gun.

Wayne,it's a good thing that you pay attention to politics. Can I ask what you were doing when your educators explained the difference between THEY'RE, THERE and THEIR?
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A new low for this forum.

I did not realize an actual list was needed but in case you have not been paying attention, here you are.
1. Sen. Dianne Feinstein
2. Sen. Joe Manchin
3. Sen. Chuck Schumer
4. Sen. Chris Murphy
5. Gov. Andrew Cuomo
6. Sen. #^&#^&#^&#^& Durbin
7. Hillary Clinton
8. Obama
9. Bernie Sanders
10. Joe Biden

Let’s not forget Bloomberg, George Soros and so many others





And now for the gun-grabbing celebrity list:



Jessica Alba – Actor Suzy Amis – Actor Louis Anderson – Comedian Richard Dean Anderson – Actor Maya Angelou – Poet David Arquette – Actor Ed Asner – Actor Alec Baldwin – Actor Carol Bayer Sager – Composer

Drew Barrymore – Actor Kevin Bacon – Actor William Baldwin – Actor Candice Bergen – Actor Richard Belzer – Actor Tony Bennett – Singer Beyonce – Singer Jon Bon Jovi – Singer Peter Bogdonovich – Director Albert Brooks – Actor Beau Bridges – Actor Christie Brinkley – Model Dr. Joyce Brothers – Psychologist/Author James Brolin – Actor Mel Brooks – Actor/Director Ellen Burstyn – Actor Steve Buscemi – Actor Kate Capshaw – Actor Kim Cattrall – Actor George Clooney – Actor Jennifer Connelly – Actor Judy Collins – Singer Kevin Costner – Actor Sean Connery – Actor Sheryl Crow – Singer Billy Crystal – Actor

Matt Damon – Actor Ellen Degeneres – Actor Danny DeVito – Actor Michael Douglas – Actor Phil Donahue – Talk Show Host Richard Dreyfus – Actor David Duchovny – Actor Sandy Duncan – Actor Gloria Estefan – Singer Melissa Etheridge – Singer Mia Farrow – Actor Mike Farrell – Actor Carrie Fisher – Actor Sally Field – Actor Doug Flutie – NFL player Fannie Flagg – Actor Jane Fonda – Actor Jodie Foster – Actor Rick Fox – NBA Player Andy Garcia – Actor Art Garfunkel – Singer Geraldo Rivera – TV personality Richard Gere – Actor Kathie Lee Gifford – TV personality Elliott Gould – Actor Louis Gossett, Jr. – Actor Bryant Gumbel – TV Personality Ethan Hawke – Actor Mariette Hartley – Actor Mark Harmon – Actor Anne Heche – Actor Howard Hesseman – Actor

Marilu Henner – Actor Dustin Hoffman – Actor

Diane Keaton – Actor Chaka Khan – Singer Lenny Kravits – Singer Lisa Kudrow – Actor k.d. lang – Singer John Leguizamo – Actor Norman Lear – TV Producer

Spike Lee – Director Hal Linden – Actor Tara Lipinski – Former Olympian Keyshawn Johnson – NFL player Rob Lowe – Actor

Madonna – Singer Penny Marshall – Director John McEnroe – Athlete

Bette Midler – Singer Mary Tyler Moore – Actor Michael Moore – Film Maker Mike Nichols – Director

Rosie O’Donnell – Actor/Talk Show Host Jennifer O’Neill – Actor Julia Ormond – Actor Jane Pauley – TV Personality Sarah Jessica Parker – Actor Mandy Patinkin – Actor

Julia Roberts – Actor Meg Ryan – Actor Susan Sarandon – Actor

Will Ferrell – Actor Jamie Foxx – Actor Jennifer Garner – Actor Selena Gomez – Actor Kate Hudson – Actor

Do you also need the list of organizations?

What is your point of asking me for specifics?
It seems to me the typical leftist tactic of arguing something with the prove me wrong nonsense
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The following organizations have lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations. In many instances, these organizations lent their name in support of specific campaigns to pass anti-gun legislation such as the March 1995 HCI “Campaign to Protect Sane Gun Laws.” Many of these organizations were listed as “Campaign Partners,” for having pledged to fight any efforts to repeal the Brady Act and the Clinton “assault weapons” ban. All have officially endorsed anti-gun positions.

AARP AFL-CIO Ambulatory Pediatric Association American Academy of Pediatrics American Civil Liberties Union American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing American Medical Women’s Association American Medical Student Association American Medical Association American Association for the Surgery of Trauma American Trauma Society American Federation of Teachers



American Association of School Administrators American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities American Medical Association American Counseling Association American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry American Academy of Pediatrics American Association for World Health American Ethical Union American Nurses Association American Association of Neurological Surgeons American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences American Firearms Association American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

American Jewish Committee American Trauma Society American Psychological Association American Jewish Congress American Public Health Association Americans for Democratic Action Anti-Defamation League Black Mental Health Alliance B’nai B’rith Central Conference of American Rabbis Children’s Defense Fund Church of the Brethren Coalition for Peace Action Coalition to Stop Gun Violence College Democrats of America Committee for the Study of Handgun Misuse & World Peace Common Cause Congress of National Black Churches, Inc. Congress of Neurological Surgeons Consumer Federation of America Council of the Great City Schools Council of Chief State School Officers Disarm Educational Fund Environmental Action Foundation Episcopal Church-Washington Office Friends Committee on National Legislation General Federation of Women’s Clubs Gray Panthers H.M. Strong Foundation Hadassah Harris Foundation Hechinger Foundation Interfaith Neighbors Int’l Ladies’ Garment Workers’ Union Int’l Association of Educators for World Peace Jewish Labor Committee Joyce Foundation Lauder Foundation Lawrence Foundation League of Women Voters of the United States* Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Manhattan Project II Mennonite Central Committee-Washington Office National Safe Kids Campaign National Association of Police Organizations National Coalition Against Domestic Violence National Black Nurses’ Association National Association of Chain Drug Stores National Network for Youth National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations National Association for the Advancement of Colored People National Association of School Psychologists National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers National Education Association National Association of Public Hospitals National Coalition Against Domestic Violence National Association of Secondary School Principals National Association of Social Workers National Association of Children’s Hospitals and Related Institutions National Association of School Psychologists National Council of La Raza National Center to Rehabilitate Violent Youth National Commission for Economic Conversion & Disarmament National Council of the Chur ches of Christ in the USA National Council of Negro Women National Association of Community Health Centers National People’s Action National Education Association National League of Cities National Council on Family Relations National Council of Jewish Women National Organization for Women National Political Congress of Black Women National Parks and Conservation Association National Peace Foundation National Urban League, Inc. National Parent, Teachers Association National Urban Coalition National SAFE KIDS Campaign National Organization on Disability NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby Peace Action People for the American Way Physicians for Social Responsibility Project on Demilitarization and Democracy Society of Critical Care Medicine Southern Christian Leadership Conference The Council of the Great City Schools The Synergetic Society 20/20 Vision U.S. Catholic Conference, Dept. of Social Development Union of American Hebrew Congregations Unitarian Universalist Association United States Catholic Conference United Methodist Church, General Board & Church Society United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society* United States Conference of Mayors War and Peace Foundation Women Strike for Peace Women’s National Democratic Club Women’s Action for New Directions (WAND) Women’s Int’l League for Peace and Freedom World Spiritual Assembly, Inc. YWCA of the U.S.A.
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8 lies used by gun grabbers

https://www.libertyblock.com/single-...y-Gun-Grabbers

Read this
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You are talking about a handgun. :moon:
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I'm concerned because i think that eventually my children will not have the right to have guns.
My other concern is that many of the same people who are concerned about having gun rights think that people do not have the right to:
Burn a flag
Build a house
Do any drug they want
Not pay taxes
Have a boat
Eat horses
Have or eat a dog
Have more than one wife
Distill alcohol

Wayne: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/de...rnd/index.html

Pete: http://www.reformer.com/stories/will...ictions,536718


Nahhhh, hold my beer ; )


No Eben - in order to purchase a gun in Mass you must already have a gun permit (FID Card) - which means you have gone trough all the forms, background checks, and processes plus have waited one to two months (or more) in order to get the card.

Interesting list. Missed your point - you want your kids to be able to do whatever drugs they want? Eat your dog?

I know a worse one...:)

No, just that all those things can be done in some other countries.
We are not quite as free as we like to think.

Constructive criticism
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free to move...:tm:

This is some grade A conspiracy, paranoid misinformation right here.

I heard stuff like this existed but I didn't think anyone really believed it???

No, I am talking about any gun.
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Perhaps that's a key contributor to MA's ultra low gun death rate.

Perhaps it isn't. Other states with less strict gun laws also have low gun death rates. What was Massachusetts' gun death rate before having its current laws?

Maybe because Massachusetts is ranked #1 in mental health care? Oh that's right, we aren't supposed to connect mental health to the gun control issue.

http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/i...ranking-states
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or maybe it's because Mass is top 3rd of the country for unemployment?

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

or maybe it's the rather low Suicide rate in Mass, since that gets lumped into all the stats about gun violence.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/suicide.htm

one thing I noticed is that if you bounce the Suicide by state against the Unemployment by state, the States with the highest unemployment seem to be in the states with the highest suicide rates.

so maybe if we looked at the more socio-economic issues instead of an inanimate object, maybe we can figure something out.

but why would we want to do that Kevin? Oh , I know, it takes more effort and politicians are lazy and do things the easy way with little effort because they don't friggin care. We all know gun control is about control, yet some follow along mindlessly like sheep.

The rest of your post is spot on also :btu: but it does not fit the Left's agenda

Some of those same countries you could be jailed for your post, so there is that ; )

Free to move from here, not necessarily free to move to most of those countries ; )

(not picking on Pete ; ) )

All his points are pretty spot on - in fact if the left looked more closely at some of those other socioeconomic statistics that might be too much in the mirror.

I would be amenable for some of Mass's restrictions except they would not end there. I could be OK with a Red Flag law / GVRO / bump stock ban / safe storage laws / additional certification if it was going to stop there, but it won't. I was willing to concede in certain areas but the past 2 months of convinced me (again) that would be a fools compromise to give in.

apparently you believe it

Are you joining that cult?
Or are you trying to say you can have many wives or concubines here?

To go to a pre-revolutionary war killing of 72 is a stretch to make it part of this narrative, but hey tin foil hats will make you think crazy #^&#^&#^&#^& up to make a point. Common sense rules & reg's, it's as simple as that, I don't want anyone giving up their guns and agree the 2nd amendment is still valid. I do however find the argument that the public should be able to bear arms of any kind because the constitution says so is dated.

John made a point I've brought up repeatedly in this always circular debate, that the odds of a Hitler type leader somehow convincing the entire military to support his believe we should all be disarmed is crazy and I doubt that even if they could be convinced; a civilian militia armed with what those (willing) can bring to the fight don't stand a chance. What percentage owning arms are going to join the fight and again with what the average or even above average sportsman brings to the fight, to believe they can stop a POTUS and his band of bullies from taking all your guns is laughable.

but nice try

you need to understand what banning is and what gun control is

they are not the same thing

buts its a good thing you have ted nugent and scott baio on yourside

PS you haven't proved anything except you think everyones coming for your guns ... and no one on that list has or had the power to make it happen and by listing the "Actors" list you have shown how out of touch your view really is ... please provide the link to the website you got it from.. because you did not dream that up on your own

The Trump vector seems the closest we've gotten the past century, but in this case it's the gun zealots who are his blind supporters.

Still, it's so far off to be a non threat and a foolish errand at that. While the system had a hiccup in 2016 it seems like the key parts are still working if at times a bit clumsy.

Justice Scalia also wrote:

“It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.”

Through legislation they told their citizens if they have something that was legal yesterday - turn it in or be fined 200-1000 dollars per day. Unless you jump through a bunch of hoops.

For all practical purposes they are confiscating those firearms.

Can you guess who won't be turning them in? The people that already own them illegally.

Just to be clear 'Arms " refers to personal weapons easily carried, not tanks, jets, missile launchers etc.

Trump is the most likely vector? :rotflmao:

It really should not matter who is President, but thanks for your inclusive approach.

I said the closest. We've never seen leadership this corrupt with such fanaticism in my lifetime if at all in the last 100 years.