Why do liberal universities honor murderers?
 

Kathy Bowdin was one of the Weather Underground terrorists who robbed a Brinks caro f $1.6 M, and in the process murdered 2 cops and a security guard, leaving I believe 8 kids to grow up without a Dad. What is she doing now? She is a professor at Columbia.

Her boss, terrorist Bill Ayers, is a professor of education (teaching future teachers, which is just great).

Wesleyan University honors convicted cop-killer Abu Mumia Jamal by letting him give a commencment address via video link. The same Wesleyan where Antonin Scalia was heckled and had condoms thrown at him.

Imagine for a second, if Holy Cross college honored an abortion clinic bomber by making him a professor. Can you IMAGINE the media reaction?

Spence, PaulS, someone please explain this to me, cuz I don't get it. I just don't get it.

free market Jimbo, parents can pull the funding and we can send our kids elsewhere

Agreed. But I didn't ask whether or not these liberal schools have the right to do this. I want to know why liberals, the self-appointed gurus of peace and compassion, do this? Why do they think it's a good idea?

What was the conversation like in the faculty room, when it was discussed whether or not to hire this woman? I'd love to see a transcript of that conversation.

Of course they have the right to do it.
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Agreed. But WHY do they think it's a good idea? I mean, the Westboro Baptist Church has the right to do what they do, that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...

Because in this country we are free to do as we choose, are free to say what we want and free to go where we want. It's that simple.
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It was never that simple, ever, in any country. It used to be almost that simple in this country, but things have changed over time, especially in the last few years. It's about to be that you can't even choose not to buy health insurance anymore without paying a penalty.

how can an American President fly around the country preaching and lecturing about "shared sacrafice" and threatening all sorts of doom and gloom over budget cuts yet continue to plan lavish vacations and Whitehouse parties at extraordinary tax payer's expense?

because- right and wrong is not measured by any moral compass but rather by which side of the idealogical fence you happen to fall or reside :)

You certainly haven't been keeping track of the daily intrusion into Americans' privacy, people that have been arrested for talking poorly about the government or people that have been labeled at part of terrorist organizations because they are outspoken political activists, even though they've never broken a law.

We're free to do as we choose and say what we want... as long as we do not upset the government's status quo.

The market is not that free anymore. With Federal "investment" in all levels of education accompanied by its mandatory regulations, parents are, without their consent, funding schools their kids don't attend and to which they would not choose to have them attend. The "market" function of paying for education has mostly become a thing of the past. Private schools of higher education are few and far between.

We are only free to exercise our Constitutionally guaranteed "rights" so long as the Federal Government allows it and can regulate it.

You are dodging my original question, which was WHY do they do it. I did not ask if they have the right to do it. Miss Porters School can hire a registered sex offender to monitor the showers in the girls locker room. That there isn't a law against that, doesn't mean that it's not stupid and immoral.

I can't answer that.
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But yes it's immoral.
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The Progressive agenda, which emanated from our universities and colleges, is to change the status of the individual from a sovereign with unalienable rights granted by a higher power and guaranteed by a Constitution, to a product of the State who is functionally "free" to do what the State grants. To accomplish this, power must be centralized rather than dispersed. All elements, including religion and individualism, that would diminish the power of the State, must be marginalized and eventually eliminated. To be happy, all elements of discord must be eradicated from our collective existence. The disorder of individual competitions and conflicts can only be solved by allegiance to a unitary central power administered by experts who know best what we need and have the power to grant us those needs.

Radicals such as Ayers and Jamal, etc., are transitional tools which enable Progressives to destroy "outdated" American principles and Constitutional governance. They too will, eventually, be eliminated.

I agree with you Jim - but I think the shocking thing is that she was paroled in the first place... isn't her crime punishable by death in some states?

Why do they do it?

Because they can, but probably more so because they know it will bring in donor money from those eqaully corrupt cronies that bought their degrees from similarly operating "tools" of higher education.

When a college begins to offer classes in subjects that will serve the student no good in the real world, and hires teachers and (so-called) professors to spew their worthless rhetoric to our children, that college has literelly sunk to the bottom of the academic food chain.

It becomes the "Jerry Springer" of academia and a laughing stock amongst those in truly legitimate schools.

Unfortunately, with the government sticking its hands into how a school is run and what the school MUST offer its students, more and more "Jerry Springers" are popping up year after year, so that eventually a college degree will be as valuable as the last roll of toilet paper and cost as much as a Mercedes!

She didn't pull the trigger, she drove the getaway truck, which I believe was a U-Haul truck. That truck encountered a police roadblock. She, the driver, got out with her hands up. As the police were tellling her that they were about to open the back of the truck, the terrorists jumped out of the back of the truck. Her terrorist pals had automatic weapons, the cops had revolvers, 2 cops died as a result. The security guard, the 3rd victim, was killed earlier at the scene of the crime.

I sincerely wish she had gotten the death penalty, because (1) she deserved it, and (2) we wouldn't be having a conversation about whether or not she should be teaching at Columbia.

It's worth noting that this group was part of the Weather Underground, which Bill Ayers (political mentor of Obama) was a leader of.

I don't know. I don't see anyone claiming that Columbia is a "laughing stock", I don't see alumni donations to the endowment fund drying up...And that's precisely what I don't get. I don't get why 99% of the population isn't outraged.

This is the same school that invited the President of Iran to speak, yet they claim that Catholics like me are intolerant of homosexuals?

My Mom got her masters degree at Columbia, and she is horrified and embarassed. My Mom was not a typical Columbia alumni, spending the majority of her life as a middle-class housewife.

Perhaps hiring murderers to educate will add diversity to the curriculums. After all, what has caused their anti-social behavior needs to have its say. The oppressive nature of traditional American culture is no doubt a causative factor in rebellion against it. Providing students with the fresh approach that murderers and radicals will give can be perceived as a complement to their education.

I have not done the research to see if they were convicted, served the time, etc. Perhaps you believe that anyone who commits adultery should be stoned or have an arm cut off for theft, oh wait I think that perhaps I have confused you with Islamic fundamentalists.
Perhaps we should make flagburning a crime or speaking out against the president, I will defend your right to do either and my right to shun you if I feel you deserve it or support you if I think you are correct.
Having said that and worked in a college enviorment I will admit that most of the adults there do not fit into the old adage that if you are young and conservative you have no soul, but if you are old and liberal you are a fool.

I prefer this one myself:“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”
― Robert A. Heinlein

You want your kids taught by someone who dedicated most of her adult life to carrying out violent acts against white people who played by the rules and succeeded and who hurt no one?

This woman was a known terrorist. She pled guilty to the charges in this case, and was granted parole after 20 years.

"Perhaps you believe that anyone who commits adultery should be stoned..."

Yes, because that's exactly what I said. Because I said adultery is the same as plotting to blow up innocent civilians, right? I said adultery is the same thing as terrorism, right? Adultery is the same murdering multiple police officers during the course of a robbery? Yes, I claimed that those are the same things, right?

You stated that you did no research on whether or not this woman is guilty of this crime. OK. What reserch did you do, to conclude that I would believe that adulterers deserve to be stoned to death? Please explan, we are all waiting for you to share that research.

Please respond to the things that I actually say. Please try and refrain from putting radical, idiotic words in my mouth.

This is what the thoughtless and brainwashed do. I say that terrorists who kill multiple police officers have no business teaching our kids at prestigious universities, and you somehow, somehow, interpret that to mean that I think adulterers should be stoned to death.

That kind of intellectual dishonesty is what thoughtless people do when they have lost the argument, but aren't adult enough to admit it. I'll give you credit, at least you didn't call me a racist.

You worked at a college? I'm shocked, absolutely shocked. Too bad while you were there, you never learned how to have an honest discussion.

Agree, there's a lot that you don't seem to get.

First...what's the point of this thread? How long has this information been fermenting in your belly such that you just had to get it out?

Kathy Boudin was sent to prison and served her term for being an accomplice to a theft that turned violent. What ever happened to a debt to society being paid in full?

I don't believe Bill Ayers was ever convicted of murder or terrorism. Certainly he was a radical back then, but did his actions ever actually kill anyone? I'd think to be a murderer you'd have to have killed someone. Also, it's worth noting that his actions weren't motivated by a hatred for America...it was what they saw as our complicit engagement in an unconscionable war. Had he been targeting abortion clinics you'd be spinning the other way.

Ayers wasn't Obama's political mentor, that's been debunked as an election year myth.

Mumai Abu-Jamal didn't speak at Wesleyan "The same Wesleyan where Antonin Scalia was heckled and had condoms thrown at him", he was invited to speak at The Evergreen State College. He wasn't chosen by the college, he was chosen by the GRADUATING CLASS of 1999 no less! While I can't say if he's guilty or innocent it does appear there's a significant amount of information that contests he had a fair trial.

Interestingly enough all three people share a common thread, regardless of their history they all appear pretty intelligent and have moved forward to share their experiences and help others.

As usual Jim, you've gotten pretty much every aspect of your post wrong...worse...that you casually throw out the T word without any real regard for context or meaning speaks volumes.

-spence

I'm sure Jim was listening to some right wing conservative radio program or tv show where they were using this as some sort if propaganda and Jim popped a gasket. ;).
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It's a nice quote by Heinlein--good writers are so able to express the most "basic criteria" in the simplest, most direct, and nearly indisputable way. Sooo . . . since the division being defined is political, we're assuming that we're speaking in the context of some form of government. And government, by definition, assumes some degree of control of people. So the distinction between the two types of people, those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire, is one of degree. Or else we have to assume that those who have no such desire really are absolutely against control, in which case they would be apolitical and not part of Heinlein's political division--they might be considered anarchists, but anarchists are such a small fraction of the human race that the division between anarchists and controllists would be so heavily weighted toward the latter that the distinction would have little to no relevance.

Now, the question is begged, does the group who want people to be controlled include those who want to be controlled as well as those who want to be the controllers? I think they must go together otherwise the concept of control can only work by force. Those who want to control must also, necessarily, want to be in a small minority otherwise dispersing power among a majority over a minority would create an unmanageable conflict among the controllers who would struggle to control each other as well as controlling those who want to be controlled. So a relatively small elite cadre of rulers must persuade their followers who wish to be ruled that they are capable of doing so in a beneficent way that provides the greatest good for the greatest number (those who want to be controlled).

Given that control works best when there is agreement between controllers and the controlled, and given that there are, if the division is meaningful, almost as many or more who have little to no desire to control or be controlled, there must be methods to peacefully institute governance. There must be . . . oh, right . . . laws by which all abide. How then do we get EVERYBODY to agree between controllers and controlled?

Hmmm . . . the American Founders hashed it out a couple of times after fighting for such a concept, and came up with an accommodation among those who seek power, those who wish to be controlled, and those who have no such desire--The Constitution. It allowed those who seek power a limited scope to do so, and allowed those who wished not to be controlled a great degree of freedom to live with limited control and controls of their choice.

It worked for a while. But as time went on, those who wanted to control saw too much disorder in this form of government and that it gave away unbridled power to those who were not elected controllers. So they persuaded their counterpart, those who wished to be controlled, that the Constitution was an obstacle to their relationship, and that it allowed the good people who wished to be controlled to be oppressed by illegitimate controllers. The others, those who had no hankering after control or being controlled, became outnumbered. And, understanding that the law which enabled all to cooperate required acquiescence to the courts of that law, which had been co-opted by the controllers, they reluctantly gave way and became marginalized, ridiculed as backward, outdated. And the form of government--limited enough to allow freedom for those who did not wish to be controlled--evolved, "progressed" forward to a "new" more "modern" and scientific method of control that satisfied the growing numbers who wished to be controlled. And a system of control was instituted which allowed the good, legitimate controllers nearly unlimited power to control for the good of the majority--those who wished to be controlled. And a new cadre of controllers who no longer were hampered by a Constitution nor the obstacle of having to be elected were created as an adjunct to the growing responsibility of the elected controllers--the regulators. And the people, those who wished to be controlled, began to see the wonders of unhampered power in the hands of beneficent controllers. They were given food stamps, and medical care, and housing, and phones, and unemployment compensations that were constantly renewed, and promises of more and perpetual sustenance, and most wonderful of all, at the expense of the controllers and those who wished not to be controlled.

right...criminals sharing their criminal experiences to "help" others....ignore their history....I bet it's tough for those who had family members killed or mamed to ignore their history:uhuh:


William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born December 26, 1944. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group[2] that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings (ncluding police stations, the U.S. Capitol Building, and the Pentagon) during the 1960s and 1970s in response to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days.

Obama and Ayers had a very close relationship...Obama has many "mentors" and none of them seem to like America very much and all seem to share radical leftist-marxist(self-described) views which they've spent their lives "sharing"......


I'll agree that they're "pretty intelligent"...but then again....so are most serial killers and many other criminals(regardless of their history)...so I'm not sure how that matters

yes....who is controlling the "controllers"?

"what's the point of this thread?"

Ah yes. When you know a conservative is correct, you respond with "so what?"

"How long has this information been fermenting in your belly such that you just had to get it out?"

This news came out this past week.

"for being an accomplice to a theft that turned violent. What ever happened to a debt to society being paid in full?"

Now THAT, Spence, is world-class spin. You neglected to point out that she assisted in the murder of 2 police officers and a security guard. Are details, shmee-tails.

I have no problem with parole and rehabilitation. But that's not the same thing as HONORING someone with a post educating children.

"I'd think to be a murderer you'd have to have killed someone."

Spence, please point out where I said Bill Ayers was a murderer? I did say he was, by his own admission, a leader of the weather Underground, which did murder people.

"Mumai Abu-Jamal didn't speak at Wesleyan "

I said he spoke via a video feed, and that is true. Are you literally making up this stuff to refute me?

"Interestingly enough all three people share a common thread"

Yes. Violent, liberal radicals, who are still glorified by your side.

"all appear pretty intelligent "

Based on WHAT? How did you arrive at that conclusion? How do you know Abu Mumia Jamal is intelligent, did you give him an IQ test on death row?


"that you casually throw out the T word"

OK. So according to you, the Weather Underground were not terrorists? Please explain why not.

I don't use that word casually. It is you who refuses to use that word when it appropeiately applies to those who share your ideology.

One of your moset deranged diatribes ever, and that is saying something.

Ah, yes. You can't refute anything I said, so you hurl baseless insults. Kudos.

And according to Spence, I am "casually" using the "t" word (terrorist). Spence doesn't feel that those who bomg public buildings to further a political cause, are terrorists.

Look the word up in the dictionary Spence.

he's actually provided the explanation to your question quite nicely which contiues to lend creedence your mental disorder contention but the "liberal" term in any historical sense of the word hardly applies to today's left...I can't call them liberals anymore...it's unfair to the word:uhuh:

America's left and democrat party is following and promoting a Progressive agenda which Detbuch has concisely pointed out....is the very definition of anti-American

4 more years.....

They used to be controlled by the Constitution. But now that they have subverted it--no one.

Of course, their intentions are good. So don't worry.

My first response--"no one"--was off-hand, a bit facetious, but not completely off the mark. The real answer would be that the "controllers" and those "who want to be controlled" are controlling each other in a symbiotic relationship. As I've mentioned before, the progressives cannot escape the necessity of feeding the beast they have created. If they do, they both become extinct. The transfers of wealth, the ever-expanding "safety net," the promises of guaranteed security and comfort, of health care and unsustainable benefits, of jobs created by fiat rather than effort, of a social utopia, must be sustained, even if beyond reason or economic viability.

When Jim in CT keeps wondering why the left cannot recognize simple math in relation to the "economy" he doesn't recognize the life and death struggle to which the progressive movement has evolved. It is not about some mere recognition of simple math, it is about maintaining the perception that the progressive agenda "works." That it is ultimately beneficial more than is what they consider outmoded notions of individualism and self reliance and the restraints of the Constitution.

"Perception is reality" as a mode of conduct is a misapplication of relativity. Perception may be relative, but it is not reality. Relativity may explain why an object may be perceived to be standing still in relation to a viewer when in reality both the perceiver and the object are not standing still but are moving at the same pace in the same direction. The notion that perception is actually reality is saying that there is no such thing as reality in an objective sense. It is mostly a useless notion. One who will cross a busy intersection when for whatever personal "perception" he sees no cars may soon be perceiving his own funeral. Taken to its apogee, such a notion assumes the perceiver is God--"reality" is merely a creation of his perception.

But the notion is very useful in politics. At least in the nefarious practice of politics. The molding of mass perception is that method that used to be referred to as propaganda. That word was used a lot in much of the 20th century, especially during the "cold war" between Communism and the West. You don't hear the word used much anymore. Perhaps, the cold war is perceived to have been won. Or, perhaps, those engaging in it prefer not to call attention to the method. And if the media is complicit, or cowed into being called reactionary if it calls attention to it, the thought, or perception, of such a notion disappears.

So the symbiotic relation between the controllers and those who want to be controlled is facilitated by creating the perception that the controllers are constantly fighting for their underlings. That the negative economy, and the conflicts in society are problems they have inherited from a rapacious and oppressive past, but that there is and has been constant improvement due to their effort. And if those being controlled keep perceiving that things are getting better for them and the controllers are working hard at making it so, they will keep voting for them. If, however, there is a collapse, the votes will not be forthcoming. So it is necessary for the controllers to keep the controlled happy--or, at least, that they perceive they are happy.

And if such a time arrives that the perception is lost, and the reality of an unsustainable society becomes obvious, then do the controllers simply admit their error and go away? Or do we move on to a 1984ish or Brave New Worldish perception of reality.

YO, SPENCE -

In light of what Scott posted, and in light iof the robbery that killed 2 cops and a security guard, let me ask you straight up...are the Weather Underground terrorists, or not?

You accused me of being "casual" in my using the terrorist label with these violent kooks. So please enlighten us...what is it that differentiates the Weather Underground from terrorists?

If those that bomb abortion clinincs are terrorists, and of course they are, I fail to see how the Weather Underground fails to meet the criteria. Please, don't keep that wisdom and knowledge to yourself...do the liberal thing, and share the wealth!

We're all ears, and are giddy with anticipation...

The Weather Underground Organization (WUO), commonly known as the Weather Underground, was an American radical left organization founded on the Ann Arbor campus of the University of Michigan. Originally called Weatherman, the group became known colloquially as the Weathermen. Weatherman first organized in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)[2] composed for the most part of the national office leadership of SDS and their supporters.

Their goal was to create a clandestine revolutionary party for the overthrow of the US government.[3]

With revolutionary positions characterized by Black liberation rhetoric,[2] the group conducted a campaign of bombings through the mid-1970s, including aiding the jailbreak and escape of Timothy Leary. The "Days of Rage", their first public demonstration on October 8, 1969, was a riot in Chicago timed to coincide with the trial of the Chicago Seven. In 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government, under the name "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO).[4]

At an SDS convention in Chicago on June 18, 1969, the National Office attempted to persuade unaffiliated delegates not to endorse a takeover of SDS by Progressive Labor who had packed the convention with their supporters.[8] At the beginning of the convention, two position papers were passed out by the National Office leadership, one a revised statement of Klonksy's RYM manifesto, the other called "You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows". The latter document outlined the position of the group that would become the Weathermen. It had been signed by Karen Ashley, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, John Jacobs, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, Howie Machtinger, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Mark Rudd, and Steve Tappis. The document called for creating a clandestine revolutionary party.

"The most important task for us toward making the revolution, and the work our collectives should engage in, is the creation of a mass revolutionary movement, without which a clandestine revolutionary party will be impossible. A revolutionary mass movement is different from the traditional revisionist mass base of "sympathizers". Rather it is akin to the Red Guard in China, based on the full participation and involvement of masses of people in the practice of making revolution; a movement with a full willingness to participate in the violent and illegal struggle."[9]

"Weatherman would shove the war down their dumb, fascist throats and show them, while we were at it, how much better we were than them, both tactically and strategically, as a people. In an all-out civil war over Vietnam and other fascist U.S. imperialism, we were going to bring the war home. 'Turn the imperialists' war into a civil war', in Lenin's words. And we were going to kick ass".

In July 1969, 30 members of Weatherman leadership traveled to Cuba and met with North Vietnamese representatives to gain from their revolutionary experience. The North Vietnamese requested armed political action in order to stop the U.S. Government's war in Vietnam. Subsequently, they accepted funding, training, recommendations on tactics and slogans from Cuba, and perhaps explosives as well.

The "Flint War Council," was a series of meetings of the Weather Underground Organization and associates in Flint, Michigan, that took place from 27–31 December 1969.[60] During these meetings, the decisions were made for the Weather Underground Organization to go underground [22] and to "engage in guerilla warfare against the U.S. government."[61] This decision was made in response to increased pressure from law enforcement,[62] and a belief that underground guerilla warfare was the best way to combat the U.S. government.[61]

On February 16, 1970 a nail bomb placed on a window ledge of the Park Police substation in the Upper Haight neighborhood of San Francisco exploded at 10:45 p.m. The blast killed police Sergeant Brian McDonnell. Law enforcement suspected the Weather Underground but was unable to prove conclusively that the organization was involved.[64] A second officer, Robert Fogarty, was partially blinded by the bomb’s shrapnel. Secret federal grand juries were convened in 2001 and again in 2009 to re-open the Park Precinct cold case in an attempt to again tie WUO members Billy Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Howie Machtinger and others to the deadly bombing.[65] Ultimately, it was concluded that members of the Black Liberation Army, whom WUO members affiliated with while underground, were responsible for not only this action but also the bombing of another police precinct in San Francisco as well as bombing the Catholic Church funeral services of the police officer killed in the Park Precinct bombing in the early summer of 1970.

probably not coincidentally, three members were killed the next month when a nail bomb that they were construction exploded in their safe house apartment

On March 6, 1970, during preparations for the bombing of a Non-Commissioned Officers’ (NCO) dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base and for Butler Library at Columbia University,[2] there was an explosion in a Greenwich Village safe house when the nail bomb being constructed prematurely detonated for unknown reasons. WUO members Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins died in the explosion.

An FBI report later stated that the group had possessed enough explosive to "level ... both sides of the street".

The bomb preparations have been pointed out by critics of the claim that the Weatherman group did not try to take lives with its bombings. Harvey Klehr, the Andrew W. Mellon professor of politics and history at Emory University in Atlanta, said in 2003, "The only reason they were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence. I don't know what sort of defense that is."

"it's worth noting that his (Ayers') actions weren't motivated by a hatred for America"

So what motivated him? It wasn't a desire to lead a violent revolt against the feds? .

"Had he (Ayers) been targeting abortion clinics you'd be spinning the other way"

Also stupid and demonstrably false. I have said many times that those who bomb abortion clinics are clearly terrorists.

I look at things objectively Spence. It is you, not me, who is completely, 100% blinded by ideology.

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there is a lot that is revealing.....:uhuh:

Ms. Boudin has a fascinating Wiki page....


highlights.....


Her great-uncle was Louis B. Boudin, a Marxist theorist.

Her father, attorney Leonard Boudin, had represented such controversial clients as Judith Coplon, Fidel Castro, and Paul Robeson.[2] A National Lawyers Guild attorney, Leonard Boudin was the law partner of Victor Rabinowitz, himself counsel to numerous left-wing organizations.

1965, her last year at Bryn Mawr was spent studying in the Soviet Union. She was paid 75 rubles a month by the Soviet government and, according to her résumé, taught on a Soviet collective farm.


In the 1960s and 1970s, Boudin became heavily involved with the Weather Underground, along with Cathy Wilkerson, was a survivor of the 1970 Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, the premature detonation of a nail bomb that had been intended for a soldiers' dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.[3] Boudin was 27 at the time.

A declassified FBI report on foreign contacts of the Weather Underground Organization produced by the FBI’s Chicago Field Office reported that, "On February 10, 1976, a source in a position to possess such information advised that Leonard Boudin ... had indicated to a friend that Kathie [sic] was presently in Cuba."[citation needed] The law firm of Rabinowitz, Boudin, Standard, Krinsky & Lieberman, P.C., provide legal representation for the Cuban government in the United States.

In 1981, when Kathy Boudin was 38 years old, she and several members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army robbed a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, in Nanuet, New York. After Boudin dropped her infant son, Chesa, at a baby sitter's, she took the wheel of the getaway vehicle, a U-Haul truck.

She waited in a nearby parking lot as her heavily armed accomplices took another vehicle to a local mall where a Brinks truck was making a delivery. They confronted the guards and gunfire immediately broke out, severely wounding guard Joe Trombino and killing his co-worker, Peter Paige. The four then took $1.6 million in cash and met with Boudin.

An alert high-school student called the police after spotting the gang abandoning the getaway vehicle and entering the U-Haul. A police officer spotted and pulled over the U-Haul, but they could see only Boudin in the driver's seat. Boudin then got out of the cab, and raised her hands.

The police officers who caught them testified that Boudin, feigning innocence, pleaded with them to put down their guns and got them to drop their guard; Boudin said she remained silent, that the officers relaxed spontaneously. After the police lowered their weapons, six of the men in the back of the truck armed with automatic weapons came out of the back of the truck, surprising the four police officers, one of whom, Waverly Brown, was killed instantly. Boudin and David Gilbert, a Weatherman radical and the father of Boudin's infant son, allegedly acted as decoys as well as getaway drivers: The Brinks robbers the police were searching for were all from the Black Liberation Army and drove a red car. Officer Edward O'Grady lived long enough to empty his revolver, but as he reloaded, he was shot several times with an M16. Ninety minutes later, he died in hospital. The other two officers escaped with only minor injuries. The occupants of the U-Haul scattered, some climbing into another getaway car, others carjacking a nearby motorist while Boudin attempted to flee on foot. An off-duty corrections officer, Michael J. Koch, apprehended her shortly after the shootout. When she was arrested, Boudin gave her name as Barbara Edson.


The majority of the defendants received three consecutive sentences of 25 years to life, making them eligible for parole in the year 2058. Boudin hired Leonard Weinglass to defend her. Weinglass, a law partner of Boudin's father, arranged for a plea bargain and Boudin pled guilty to one count of felony murder and robbery, in exchange for one twenty-year to life sentence.


Boudin and Gilbert's son Chesa Boudin was adopted by former Weatherman leaders Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn

She is presently an adjunct professor at Columbia University School of Social Work, a controversial appointment.




she sure has some experiences to share:uhuh:

The actions of Ayers and others were more violent protest than anything else. They communicated their target in advance with a specific purpose. I don't believe anyone ever was injured from their actions aside from some of their own who apparently didn't practice safe bomb making...

That's not to say it's not violent, not wrong or something to admire...but to compare it to modern terrorism, where mass pain is inflicted often upon innocent's just isn't quite right...it's not the same thing.

I don't think Ayers was ever even convicted of any crimes. Boudin certainly was (a robbery at that) and served her time.

Are they being "honored" or just recognized for their recent work?

What's the point of the entire thread? I really can't believe you're mulling this stuff over at night. You've been played by an election year (2 elections ago even!) hoax and for some reason just can't let it go.

I'll give you this, your faith is strong.

-spence