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wdmso 10-04-2019 11:30 AM

More gaslighting
 
Claim: US President Donald Trump and other Republicans say the rules for complaints made by whistleblowers were changed shortly before an anonymous whistleblower raised concerns about the president's phone call with the leader of Ukraine.

Verdict: The regulations governing whistleblower complaints have not changed. The wording of the form that whistleblowers use to raise concerns was already under review, and was changed after the whistleblower made the complaint about President Trump's phone call.

And how that changes anything i have no idea

scottw 10-04-2019 11:42 AM

oh good, a new vocabulary word:rotf2:

Got Stripers 10-04-2019 05:03 PM

Distraction, deflection, denial, gee wiz who owns that MO?
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wdmso 10-05-2019 02:36 AM

Notice the lack of long winded responses from our Trump defenders. But but bidens son...
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scottw 10-05-2019 05:28 AM

your "whistleblower" is a joke at this point

Got Stripers 10-05-2019 07:36 AM

You guys are so predictable, just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat. I’d bet my savings the house will impeach, that the spineless senators will not hold him accountable, although a few in tight re-election districts might and we will have to live thru one the most nasty campaigns anyone has or will likely ever see again.

Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same. If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool. No need to respond, I get it, I know the narrative, the whataboutism campaign by Trump is the new rallying cry echoed in here.
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Sea Dangles 10-05-2019 07:45 AM

Hey doofus, you are the only one here screaming whataboutism.
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scottw 10-05-2019 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1176042)

You guys are so predictable, just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat.

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this is a lie

scottw 10-05-2019 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1176042)


Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same. If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool.
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you keep repeating this stupidity

spence 10-05-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176033)
your "whistleblower" is a joke at this point

It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperate. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

Sea Dangles 10-05-2019 09:07 AM

Keep beating the drum Jeff
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scottw 10-05-2019 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1176049)
It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperate. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

just like the Kavanaugh hearings....weird

spence 10-05-2019 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176054)
just like the Kavanaugh hearings....weird

Yea, it’s just like that :doh:
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detbuch 10-05-2019 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1176042)
You guys are so predictable,

So are you guys. Is that bad?

just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat.

But it's OK for you guys to repeat, repeat, repeat? Is that bad?

I’d bet my savings the house will impeach,

The whole impeachment thing does resemble a crapshoot. Put your money on where the numbers fall.

that the spineless senators will not hold him accountable, although a few in tight re-election districts might

Wow . . . it's spineless to hold on to your convictions in the face of a constant media barrage . . .

and we will have to live thru one the most nasty campaigns anyone has or will likely ever see again.

And, of course, only one side will be nasty. Right.

Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting

It's amazing that anyone would think that extortion in our political world is disturbing. It goes on all the time. ALL the time. Heck, pols even have to extort the public for votes, in one of the many ways, by promising the voters stuff we can't even afford, and which they shouldn't even if we could.

Oh well . . . I guess it's just a matter of how we extort, er, distort, language. In one instance call something extortion, in another calling it just politics . . . oh wait . . . they are kind of the same thing.

I suppose we could call all foreign agreements extortion in the end. So I would think that "extorting" a foreign power to help clear up corruption would be a good thing.


a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival

I don't think Trump thinks he needs help beating Biden, nor any other of the Dem candidates. I think he is justifiably pissed off at the corrupt attempt to bring him down from the very beginning of his presidency, even before he had a chance to make any policy or "extort" a foreign power. I think he justifiably believes that what was attempted to do to him strongly indicates that there is a corrupt, politically driven agenda in the chasms of our political system and those running it. And whether out of vengeance, or presidential duty, or both, he feels that embedded corruption must be exposed and eradicated. And a lot of us feel the same way. That's why there are the Horowitz, and Durham, and DOJ investigations going on now. And what you call "extortion" is a request to get help in those investigations from foreign powers who may have direct evidence of that corruption. And he has the legitimate power to do so, whatever negative label you wish to attach to it.

and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same.

This is laughable. He is doing to China what no other President has come close to doing. China has become our biggest global threat because our past administrations stood aside and let it happen, before our eyes. It raped us and is expanding that rape globally. And we let it happen.

So now we're concerned about its threat?!! And Trump is the only one actually trying to do something about it at this 11th hour?

Trump is legally asking for assistance in corruption investigations in which China has related information. It is obligated by agreement to provide that help.

Of course, China does not live up to agreements or obligations. So it may well not cooperate and just wait it out hoping Trump will not get re-elected so the tariff stuff will go away and it can get back to its unimpeded march to global dominance.

Or maybe China thinks it's being "extorted," So it may cooperate in hopes that it will help to abate the trade war.


If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool. No need to respond, I get it, I know the narrative, the whataboutism campaign by Trump is the new rallying cry echoed in here.

I don't think he "owes" those countries anything. Nor that asking them to do what they are legally obligated to do will put him in a position to owe them anything other than being beholden to legally cooperate with them when and if they ask for legally binding assistance.

PaulS 10-05-2019 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1176049)
It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperately. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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spence 10-05-2019 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1176059)
Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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That’s pretty much what he said!
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scottw 10-05-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1176059)
Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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snowflakes will keep making s&*t up to continue their never ending tantrum of discontent

spence 10-05-2019 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176061)
snowflakes will keep making s&*t up to continue their never ending tantrum of discontent

Don’t have to make stuff up with Trump, it’s right out in the open :jester:
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Jim in CT 10-05-2019 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1176062)
Don’t have to make stuff up with Trump, it’s right out in the open :jester:
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you don’t have to make it up, you do have to over react hysterically.
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scottw 10-05-2019 12:25 PM

I heard the dummycraps are printing lots of "IMPEACH THE MOTHER%^$#ER" tee shirts and hats for the hearings

Jim in CT 10-05-2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176065)
I heard the dummycraps are printing lots of "IMPEACH THE MOTHER%^$#ER" tee shirts and hats for the hearings

he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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scottw 10-05-2019 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1176066)
he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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wait till he wins again...Oh Boy!

Got Stripers 10-05-2019 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1176058)
I don't think he "owes" those countries anything. Nor that asking them to do what they are legally obligated to do will put him in a position to owe them anything other than being beholden to legally cooperate with them when and if they ask for legally binding assistance.

I did say a response wasn’t needed, heard it all before, but you love to pontificate!
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spence 10-05-2019 02:47 PM

Trump is losing it today
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Pete F. 10-05-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1176059)
Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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He would, obviously, be joking ask Marco Rubio
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PaulS 10-05-2019 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1176066)
he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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Seems like the Republicans will re-elect him as it allows there inner summiness to come out
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Sea Dangles 10-05-2019 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1176072)
He would, obviously, be joking ask Marco Rubio
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With punctuation like this I find it extremely unlikely that you served on a school board. More lies or exaggerations is my guess.
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scottw 10-05-2019 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1176078)
Seems like the Republicans will re-elect him as it allows there inner summiness to come out
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you can never be too summie

Sea Dangles 10-05-2019 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176082)
you can never be too summie

As if we needed that proof.
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The Dad Fisherman 10-05-2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1176082)
you can never be too summie

You need to be mindful to keep it in check though, you don’t want your friends and family to suffer from your addition
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