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RIROCKHOUND 10-31-2019 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1178341)
I think what he's said is the the call was "perfect"...in terms of getting the ball rolling exposing all of this democrat wrongdoing...it was!

No.. his quote is this:
""I had a transcript done by very, very talented people -- word for word, comma for comma," said Trump at one point in that early October news conference. "Done by people that do it for a living. We had an exact transcript." Later, he added that the document was "an exact transcript of my call, done by very talented people that do this -- exact, word for word."

Got Stripers 10-31-2019 08:33 AM

You must be kidding, Trump doesn't lie, if he says it's word for word it's the truth.

Pete F. 10-31-2019 10:18 AM

A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.

1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.

The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.

Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.

Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.

George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.

3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.

Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.

Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.

Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.

Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.

Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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wdmso 10-31-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1178353)
A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.

1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.

The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.

Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.

Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.

George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.

3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.

Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.

Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.

Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.

Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.

Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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And clinton got a blow job and lied under oath. This outraged Republicans

Yet Trumps behavior the use of executive privilege the refusal of congressional subpoenas by his people . The list is endless..

Why doesn't it bother his supporter that Trump wont go under oath.

Simple.. party of country .. the next evolution in Trumps party..
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Sea Dangles 10-31-2019 11:17 AM

Clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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Pete F. 10-31-2019 11:33 AM

Jackie Spier

Devin Nunes calling the Intelligence Committee’s fact-finding mission a cult is despicable. I know about cults. Cults are led by maniacal narcissists who expect complete adoration and relinquishment of independent thought. I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere.
10:21 AM · Oct 31, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

In 1978, Speier was shot five times as a congressional staffer trying to save people from the cult at Jonestown. She survived after being left for dead on airstrip for 22 hours. Speier almost never talks about the experience, so this is a real rebuke of Nunes.

Perhaps you can think of another maniacal narcissist

scottw 10-31-2019 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1178374)
Jackie Spier

Devin Nunes calling the Intelligence Committee’s fact-finding mission a cult is despicable. I know about cults. Cults are led by maniacal narcissists who expect complete adoration and relinquishment of independent thought. I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere.
10:21 AM · Oct 31, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

In 1978, Speier was shot five times as a congressional staffer trying to save people from the cult at Jonestown. She survived after being left for dead on airstrip for 22 hours. Speier almost never talks about the experience, so this is a real rebuke of Nunes.

Perhaps you can think of another maniacal narcissist

you act like a cult member

scottw 10-31-2019 11:51 AM

Trump Campaign Holds ‘Witch Hunt’ Halloween Party in Pennsylvania

:hihi:

Pete F. 10-31-2019 12:14 PM

Trump cared about corruption in Ukraine like Bonnie & Clyde cared about the FDIC - as a source of financial opportunity. His jailed funders were working with his attorney to replace the directors of the state gas company with themselves.
Trump didn’t see Ukraine as the one country he would push to become less corrupt. Instead, he saw it as a weak, dependent country he could leverage for his own self-interest, political and financial.

ReelinRod 10-31-2019 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1178353)
A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.

1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.

The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.

Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.

Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.

George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.

3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.

Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.

Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.

Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.

Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.

Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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Save all that and print it out and wave it at the TV on January 20th, 2021 as you watch Trump's second inauguration.

scottw 10-31-2019 12:25 PM

it will be fun watching trump get 4 more years and many democrats getting prison time for seditious and criminal behavior

scottw 10-31-2019 02:32 PM

oh snap...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/latest...-ukraine-call/

Pete F. 10-31-2019 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1178406)

oh snap

But other parts of Morrison’s opening statement did seem to bolster the idea that Trump was applying a pressure campaign on the Ukrainians through a non-official channel. Morrison noted that his predecessor, former national security official Fiona Hill, had told him that Sondland and the president’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani "were trying to get President Zelensky to reopen a Ukrainian investigation into Burisma.” Morrison went on to say that “At the time, I did not know what Burisma was or what the investigation entailed.”

“I did not understand why Ambassador Sondland would be involved in Ukraine policy,” he added.

scottw 10-31-2019 03:34 PM

so?

wdmso 11-01-2019 07:30 AM

Asking for quid pro quo is illegal. Collision is illegal
Hiring a hitman illegal
Yelling fire in a theater illegal

No of these crimes require completion to be found guilty of a crime

Unless your a Republican the laws meaning and intent magically change.
To it was not completed so there can be no quid pro quo..
Yet if your name is Biden your guilty of corruption with no evidence no due process . All in attempt to deflect Trumps behavior a destroy any one who stands against him to include a decorated veteran Who just confirmed what we already know.
Republicans demanding there left out of the proceedings. when they are in the room , claim its unfair as it follows past hearings .. Just shows their willingness to lie present alternative facts so as not to upset the Dear leader and his worshipers
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scottw 11-01-2019 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178448)

Yet if your name is Biden your guilty of corruption with no evidence

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:rotflmao:

scottw 11-01-2019 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178448)

a decorated veteran Who just confirmed what we already know.


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that info was disputed yesterday....try to keep up

scottw 11-01-2019 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178448)

Unless your a Republican the laws meaning and intent magically change.

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there were actually a couple of dems that voted yesterday that would disagree with you

scottw 11-01-2019 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178448)

Collision is illegal


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if this is true, lots of democrats, media members and deep state hacks should/will be parading to prison :cheers:

Pete F. 11-01-2019 07:59 AM

Does that mean if the Dems can get a witness to say “the President committed impeachable offenses” then Trump is out because that’s basically your argument at this point. Try and keep up

The call is about 1% of the issue. Don’t lose sight of that, the Trumplicans will want you to. It’s ALL the pressure — by Rudy, Sondland, etc. for months and months. It’s Mulvaney. It’s the withholding of the $. It’s the firing of the Ambassador. It’s all of it. It’s all part of the quid pro quo aka conspiracy.
And: the issue IS NOT whether Ukraine felt “pressured” (although clearly they did). A politician can be guilty of attempted bribery by trying to bribe an undercover FBI agent who of course could never feel actually pressured. The intent that matters of the BRIBER not the BRIBEE.
And: Start to focus on the fact that Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?

scottw 11-01-2019 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1178454)
Does that mean if the Dems can get a witness to say “the President committed impeachable offenses” then Trump is out because that’s basically your argument at this point. Try and keep up

The call is about 1% of the issue. Don’t lose sight of that, the Trumplicans will want you to. It’s ALL the pressure — by Rudy, Sondland, etc. for months and months. It’s Mulvaney. It’s the withholding of the $. It’s the firing of the Ambassador. It’s all of it. It’s all part of the quid pro quo.
And: the issue IS NOT whether Ukraine felt “pressured” (although clearly they did). A politician can be guilty of attempted bribery by trying to bribe an undercover FBI agent who of course could never feel actually pressured. The intent that matters of the BRIBER not the BRIBEE.
And: Start to focus on the fact that Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?

:screwy: hang in there

Pete F. 11-01-2019 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1178455)
:screwy: hang in there

Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?:huh:

Sea Dangles 11-01-2019 08:49 AM

🍔
Nothing burger
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Pete F. 11-01-2019 08:51 AM

My judgment is that those House Republicans open to voting for impeachment simply decided to stick with the party yesterday, and to save their dissent for the real vote. No point telegraphing the jail break to the prison guards ahead of time.

Sea Dangles 11-01-2019 09:16 AM

Good for you PeteF, but as we have seen demonstrated in the past you have terrible judgement. Next...
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Jim in CT 11-01-2019 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178448)
Asking for quid pro quo is illegal.
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Says who? That doesn't happen in politics every single day? Votes are paid for by favors every single day.

wdmso 11-01-2019 10:04 AM

Trump administration who argued that current and former senior White House aides have "absolute immunity" from being questioned by House impeachment investigators.


can you say dictator

wdmso 11-01-2019 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178473)
Says who? That doesn't happen in politics every single day? Votes are paid for by favors every single day.


guess you never heard of the casting couch

A POTUS asking a foreign leader to provide dirt on an opponent Via his personal lawyer (non elected or appointed ) or you wont get your Aid sure that happens every day in US politics

PS everyone on the planet says its a crime unless your a Trump supporter... then its no big deal :D

wdmso 11-01-2019 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1178453)
if this is true, lots of democrats, media members and deep state hacks should/will be parading to prison :cheers:

but as always you lack supporting evidence for your conclusion

Jim in CT 11-01-2019 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178477)
guess you never heard of the casting couch

A POTUS asking a foreign leader to provide dirt on an opponent Via his personal lawyer (non elected or appointed ) or you wont get your Aid sure that happens every day in US politics

PS everyone on the planet says its a crime unless your a Trump supporter... then its no big deal :D

OK, casting couch is illegal.

But it's not illegal in politics, for one politician to tell anther, "I'll vote for your bill if you vote for my bill." That's also a quid pro quo, happens every single day.


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