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Pete F. 08-28-2019 11:45 AM

Why Citrus Caligula is melting down
 
Quinnipiac poll out today

All Top Dems Beat Trump As Voters' Economic Outlook Dims Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Dem Primary Stays Stable With Biden Holding The Lead

The Economy

For the first time since President Trump was elected, more voters say that the national economy is getting worse than getting better, with 37 percent saying it is getting worse, 31 percent saying it is getting better, and 30 percent saying it is staying the same. This compares to a June 11, 2019 poll in which 23 percent of voters said that the national economy is getting worse, 39 percent said it is getting better, and 37 percent said it is staying the same.

When asked to rate the state of the nation's economy, 61 percent of voters say that it is excellent or good, while 37 percent say that it is not so good or poor. These numbers, while still clearly positive on the economy, are the lowest excellent/good economy numbers found by the Quinnipiac University Poll since April 2018. Voters also say that President Trump's policies are hurting the nation's economy at 41 percent, while 37 percent say that they are helping, and 20 percent say that his policies make no difference.

"As trade tensions with China dominate the headlines, confidence in the economy is slipping," adds Mary Snow. "The number of people who think the economy is getting worse rose by double digits since June. And roughly 4 in 10 voters blame the President's policies, saying they are hurting the economy, the highest level since Trump took office."

Trump's approval for his handling of the economy is split, with 46 percent approving and 49 percent disapproving. On his handling of other issues, the president is decidedly underwater:
38 - 56 percent approval for his handling of foreign policy;
38 - 59 percent approval for his handling of immigration issues;
38 - 54 percent approval for his handling of trade;
38 - 53 percent approval for his handling of gun policy;
32 - 62 percent approval for his handling of race relations.
In addition, 62 percent of voters say that President Trump is doing more to divide the country as president, while 30 percent say that he is doing more to unite the country - an all-time low. These numbers may help explain why only 36 percent of voters report that they are very or somewhat satisfied with the way things are going in the nation today.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...2oRmCI.twitter

Slipknot 08-28-2019 12:25 PM

"For the first time since President Trump was elected, more voters say that the national economy is getting worse than getting better, with 37 percent saying it is getting worse, 31 percent saying it is getting better, and 30 percent saying it is staying the same."


play on words as it discounts the 30 percent who think it is staying the same which is not worse. Therefore 61 is somehow less than 37.

They didn't ask me and I am a voter.

Pete F. 08-28-2019 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1173067)
"For the first time since President Trump was elected, more voters say that the national economy is getting worse than getting better, with 37 percent saying it is getting worse, 31 percent saying it is getting better, and 30 percent saying it is staying the same."


play on words as it discounts the 30 percent who think it is staying the same which is not worse. Therefore 61 is somehow less than 37.

They didn't ask me and I am a voter.

Actually what you just said is a play on words.
37 worse is more than 31 better, the no change doesn't count.
If you word it as more people think the economy is the same or improving than getting worse, you would be spinning it in that direction and the converse (worse or the same) is also true.

The significant part is not the numbers, but the change in how people feel. That is in the next sentence:This compares to a June 11, 2019 poll in which 23 percent of voters said that the national economy is getting worse, 39 percent said it is getting better, and 37 percent said it is staying the same.

It's a poll, not an election, but if this trend continues it doesn't bode well for Trump.

Sea Dangles 08-28-2019 01:24 PM

Didn’t their poll predict Hillary would win?🤡
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Slipknot 08-28-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1173068)
Actually what you just said is a play on words.
.

my point exactly

spin results


the key to economy would be to not have too high of highs and too low of lows, extremes are what we don't want too much of and artificially holding off recession is bad. I think we have been there, done that. Maybe we don't learn or greed gets in the way

God Bless America

Jim in CT 08-28-2019 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1173069)
Didn’t their poll predict Hillary would win?🤡
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liberals aren’t all that interested in empirical results. they’re quite willing to ignore empirical data to protect The Narrative. Rachael Maddow was saying the only question was the magnitude of Hilary’s rout, and people still listen to her.
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spence 08-28-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1173069)
Didn’t their poll predict Hillary would win?🤡
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It's amazing that pollsters might have challenges when the leading candidate is announced to be under investigation days before an election. The science must be completely BS.

Raider Ronnie 08-28-2019 03:06 PM

Keep believing the news networks you morons 🤪
All you got to do is see the crowds when Trump makes campaign stops in most any state of the country.
Packed stadiums and thousands outside wanting to get in.
Dems give their campaign speeches at high school gymnasiums that are 1/2 empty or more but the camera crews do their magic to make them appear to be full.
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scottw 08-28-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1173085)
Keep believing the news networks you morons 🤪
All you got to do is see the crowds when Trump makes campaign stops in most any state of the country.
Packed stadiums and thousands outside wanting to get in.
Dems give their campaign speeches at high school gymnasiums that are 1/2 empty or more but the camera crews do their magic to make them appear to be full.
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yup....the only reason people go to democrat rallies is because they think they're giving away free stuff

Sea Dangles 08-28-2019 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1173083)
It's amazing that pollsters might have challenges when the leading candidate is announced to be under investigation days before an election. The science must be completely BS.

Too soon still Jeff?
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spence 08-28-2019 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1173091)
Too soon still Jeff?
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Is reality that hard to process?

Sea Dangles 08-28-2019 07:36 PM

Let’s wait and see what due process brings before we make assumptions. Funny you haven’t known about such. Haha. He is your leader if you forgot.
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wdmso 08-29-2019 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1173085)
Keep believing the news networks you morons 🤪
All you got to do is see the crowds when Trump makes campaign stops in most any state of the country.
Packed stadiums and thousands outside wanting to get in.
Dems give their campaign speeches at high school gymnasiums that are 1/2 empty or more but the camera crews do their magic to make them appear to be full.
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another one dazzled by crowd size .. the New trumpian scientific method Maybe?? ... you should pay attention who are absent at his rallies...

your observation doesn't explain how he lost the popular vote 3 million votes :err:

Sea Dangles 08-29-2019 08:01 AM

What is the popular vote?
Is it some type of contest?
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scottw 08-29-2019 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1173139)
What is the popular vote?
Is it some type of contest?
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yes, and you get a participation trophy but that's about it :rotf2:

The Dad Fisherman 08-29-2019 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1173139)
What is the popular vote?
Is it some type of contest?
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I think that’s how the pick the Prom Queen
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Jim in CT 08-29-2019 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1173138)

your observation doesn't explain how he lost the popular vote 3 million votes :err:

sure it does. he didn’t bother having rallies in CA or CT or IL. I’m betting he loses the popular vote by a larger margin next time, as voter turnout will be astronomical in places like CA and CT. not sure what it will mean electorally.
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The Dad Fisherman 08-29-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1173146)
not sure what it will mean electorally.
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It really means nothing.

Who wins the World Series, the team that scores the most runs or the team that wins the most games?
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Jim in CT 08-29-2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1173150)
It really means nothing.

Who wins the World Series, the team that scores the most runs or the team that wins the most games?
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i get what you’re saying. but if trump hatred translates to astronomical liberal voter turnout in the swing states too, then it does mean something electorally. that’s really the key question.

i think a lot of democrats stayed home in 2016, because they thought hilary was a lock to win. that won’t happen in 2020.
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wdmso 08-30-2019 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1173139)
What is the popular vote?
Is it some type of contest?
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Seems crowd sizes at trump rallies are according to ronnie. Ask him
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Sea Dangles 08-30-2019 08:51 AM

It was actually a rhetorical question. Food for snowflakes who devour that type of thing.
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