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buckman 02-26-2009 03:35 PM

Now what the frig is the point to this!!!!!
 
I am disgusted with this bunch. :realmad::realmad::realmad:


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...on_report.html

RIROCKHOUND 02-26-2009 04:45 PM

Easy...
This isn't a liberal media conspiracy to show dead soldiers for propaganda...

It was on NPR yesterday; apparently, some family members of the fallen wanted a photo of the casket with the flag, but the way the law was written, NO photos can be taken.

still requires family's consent.

buckman 02-26-2009 04:54 PM

According to the story it's the AP that pushed for the change... This policy, put in by President Bush has annoyed the media since the start of the war. They felt if they showed bodies coming home it would piss off the masses like it did in the 70's. I am sure this ruling won't be exploited by the left. It's a way of justifing the pullout in Iraq. Mark my words.... Our men and women deserve better then to die for this country and then have there deaths exploited by the media. YES, I AM PISSED

RIROCKHOUND 02-26-2009 05:01 PM

Well, the story I heard was two mothers who had started a group pushing for this.
Maybe it is coincident that NPR played the story yesterday, or maybe the AP ran with the idea.

"And what the...president supports is a policy consistent with that that we have at Arlington cemetery, which allows at the families position for that to be open, which allows them to make that decision and protect their privacy if that's what they wish to do."

If the family is OK w/ it, I don't have a problem with it.

Oh, and IT SHOULD PISS OFF THE MASSES! I am not for exploiting those that have given the ultimate sacrifice, but maybe it will help light a fire under complacent people. I know currently, Iraq is barely mentioned on the news...

"Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, which bills itself as the country's first and largest nonpartisan organization for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, applauded the policy shift as a way to show Americans the true cost of the wars.
“Less than 1% of the American population has served in Iraq or Afghanistan. There has never been a greater disconnect between those who serve in harms warm and those back home. All too often, the sacrifices of our military are hidden from view. The sight of flag-draped coffins is, and should be, a sobering reminder to all Americans of the ultimate sacrifice our troops have made and the high price of our freedom,” said IAVA Executive Director Paul Rieckhoff."
:claps::claps:

buckman 02-26-2009 05:07 PM

I hope your right about the Arlington Cemetary example. I just know that won't be were it stops. The media has no morals. Just watch CNN and Fox and how they exploit missing kids(I should say pretty,white missing girls) for ratings. Don't tell me they are only interested in finding the kids. Look at the circus after they are found.

RIROCKHOUND 02-26-2009 05:08 PM

those examples are right from the story

buckman 02-26-2009 05:23 PM

I watched Gates on Cspan. The way it is worded is that the family would have to make a request for no media coverage.

spence 02-26-2009 06:09 PM

I think it's a good move. The argument that a dead serviceman returning to US soil is a "family matter" is BS. They're draped in the US flag and their sacrifice is a burden on the entire country.

That's not to say I'd like to see it abused, although certianly some will.

-spence

JohnR 02-26-2009 06:33 PM

I think that it should be kept private unless requested by the family.

There is a time and practice for honoring the remains of the returning. Those, and the especially the families wishes, should be honored above any "news" request.

Mostly off topic, anyone watch Taking Chance on HBO last week?

JohnnyD 02-26-2009 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 668993)
According to the story it's the AP that pushed for the change... This policy, put in by President Bush has annoyed the media since the start of the war.

To be clear, it was Bush Sr. that put this into place. During a press conference about the Panama invasion, a White House spokesman cracked a joke that made many people smirk. Just so happened that in the background, caskets were being transported. As you can imagine, the combination of the two was blown out of proportion.

Then, in the beginning of Operation Desert Storm, this policy was put into place.

striperman36 02-26-2009 06:46 PM

You did not want to see the planes coming back from the Nam, if you had there would have been much more protest than what we saw in 67-69
The starting end of that trip were nothing that any American wanted to see, but I wish that the home unload would have been much more dignified.
Still haunts me

buckman 02-27-2009 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 669022)
I . They're draped in the US flag and their sacrifice is a burden on the entire country.

-spence

I'm sure the men and women fighting over there don't feel their sacrifice is a burden on the entire country.

spence 02-27-2009 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 669124)
I'm sure the men and women fighting over there don't feel their sacrifice is a burden on the entire country.

That's not the point.

-spence

RIJIMMY 02-27-2009 08:32 AM

Bman, while I agree this can be expolited. I think every single american should see the cost of war.

RIROCKHOUND 02-27-2009 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 669160)
Bman, while I agree this can be expolited. I think every single american should see the cost of war.

:claps:

My point exactly!

buckman 02-27-2009 08:39 AM

Glad to know Buckman doesn't want us dead, he just thinks we're idiots! :rotflmao:

Who's we?

RIROCKHOUND 02-27-2009 08:50 AM

Liberals.. in response to that douche bags post that liberals should go off and die...

buckman 02-27-2009 09:10 AM

Oh, Some of my closest friends are Liberals.:btu: and they think they are the smartest people in the world.

Look. we all know how the media works. I do not want to see body bags the news.I don't need to see body bags on the news. And the children of those that are serving don't need to see body bags on the news.

I thought maybe some of you had more compassion then contempt.

fishbones 02-27-2009 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 669033)
I think that it should be kept private unless requested by the family.

There is a time and practice for honoring the remains of the returning. Those, and the especially the families wishes, should be honored above any "news" request.

I agree with this. The problem with the media is that it's not their child/sibling/spouse coming home, so they don't have to deal with the same emotions as the loved ones of the returning soldier. The friends and family are in an emotional state due to a sudden and unexpected death of a loved one and should be given whatever time and space they need. I'd hate to see anyone pressured to allow the media access when they're trying to deal with a tragedy.


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