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Pete F. 01-10-2019 08:36 PM

I didn’t say that
 
Explain how today’s statement can be made by a rational human being
https://youtu.be/ROpfzDiAvzE
If he said it once I could see that it could be misconstrued
BUT
https://youtu.be/BEAH5RRNBoA

spence 01-10-2019 08:48 PM

Haha and Dangles will argue you’re a snowflake. How does it feel to be a victim of fraud?
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Sea Dangles 01-10-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159405)
Haha and Dangles will argue you’re a snowflake. How does it feel to be a victim of fraud?
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Not good,that’s why I check my statements every month. Caught one today. Guess where it originated? Ciudad de Mexico. Not that a wall can prevent it. Stay diligent young buck! Meanwhile,I suggest you delve into the successful walls put up throughout the world and the benefits they have provided to the citizens they were put in place to protect.
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Nebe 01-10-2019 09:19 PM

Don the Con...
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Slipknot 01-10-2019 09:38 PM

I cannot explain something your mind cannot comprehend.
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Got Stripers 01-11-2019 08:27 AM

So let me ask if all the rational (not us snowflakes) right leaning guys will you be ok with Trump declaring a national emergency over his desire to fulfill a campaign promise and by doing so setting a precedent you may wish wasn’t set if the next POTUS is a Democrat. If this was a democratic controlled government and the president declared a national emergency over gun violence in order to stop the sales of guns not used in the legitimate pursuit of hunting, you guys would be going absolutely nuts. You all know, regardless of whether you agree with the merits of a wall, this doesn’t meet the criteria to declare a national emergency. Will you be ok when he starts to take funds earmarke for fire and hurricane relief?
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PaulS 01-11-2019 08:39 AM

Well if it is for the Calif. fires they might be ok bc Calif should have been raking up their forests (and let's be honest - they are liberal). The snowflakes are playing chess and the master negotiator is playing 3 dimensional chess.

Pete F. 01-11-2019 08:40 AM

“You cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall—I am just going to say that we are working it out,” Trump told Mexican president Enrique Peña Nieto on Jan. 27, 2017, according to a leaked transcript of the call. “Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important talk about. But in terms of dollars—or pesos—it is the least important thing. I know how to build very inexpensively, so it will be much lower than these numbers I am being presented with, and it will be a better wall and it will look nice. And it will do the job.”

Slipknot 01-11-2019 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1159429)
“You cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall—I am just going to say that we are working it out,” Trump told Mexican president Enrique Peña Nieto on Jan. 27, 2017, according to a leaked transcript of the call. “Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important talk about. But in terms of dollars—or pesos—it is the least important thing. I know how to build very inexpensively, so it will be much lower than these numbers I am being presented with, and it will be a better wall and it will look nice. And it will do the job.”

He is obviously in love with himself
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Slipknot 01-11-2019 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1159428)
Well if it is for the Calif. fires they might be ok bc Calif should have been raking up their forests (and let's be honest - they are liberal). The snowflakes are playing chess and the master negotiator is playing 3 dimensional chess.

That tactic is pretty stupid of him if that is actually the way he framed it.
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Slipknot 01-11-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1159426)
So let me ask if all the rational (not us snowflakes) right leaning guys will you be ok with Trump declaring a national emergency over his desire to fulfill a campaign promise and by doing so setting a precedent you may wish wasn’t set if the next POTUS is a Democrat. If this was a democratic controlled government and the president declared a national emergency over gun violence in order to stop the sales of guns not used in the legitimate pursuit of hunting, you guys would be going absolutely nuts. You all know, regardless of whether you agree with the merits of a wall, this doesn’t meet the criteria to declare a national emergency. Will you be ok when he starts to take funds earmarke for fire and hurricane relief?
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If he can constitutionally legally use the emergency declaration, it won’t be able to build the whole wall anyway since it won’t cover eminent domain, so yes I would be against that part of taking land.

Your other situation is NOT constitutional so it would be overturned unless Congress repeals the second amendment and everyone in the country should be against that if you want to be a free country.
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Got Stripers 01-11-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1159433)
If he can constitutionally legally use the emergency declaration, it won’t be able to build the whole wall anyway since it won’t cover eminent domain, so yes I would be against that part of taking land.

Your other situation is NOT constitutional so it would be overturned unless Congress repeals the second amendment and everyone in the country should be against that if you want to be a free country.
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Yes you would rightly feel that is a clear overreach of presidential power, yet that is exactly what Trump is planning to do IMHO. He f’ed the federal employees over a campaign promise and regardless of how everyone views the actual scope of the border problem, if you can honestly say you believe it warrants POTUS declaring national emergency; I think drinking all that red coolaid has clouded your judgement.
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spence 01-11-2019 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1159437)
Yes you would rightly feel that is a clear overreach of presidential power, yet that is exactly what Trump is planning to do IMHO. He f’ed the federal employees over a campaign promise and regardless of how everyone views the actual scope of the border problem, if you can honestly say you believe it warrants POTUS declaring national emergency; I think drinking all that red coolaid has clouded your judgement.
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^^^^^^ this

If Trump will fabricate a crisis to call a national emergency we’re into some dark territory.
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Sea Dangles 01-11-2019 10:49 AM

Is it code red again Jeff?
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detbuch 01-11-2019 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1159437)
Yes you would rightly feel that is a clear overreach of presidential power, yet that is exactly what Trump is planning to do IMHO.
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Slipknot spelled it out correctly. It is not a question of personal opinion. It is a matter of constitutionality. Is your opinion based on the circumscribed Executive power in Article 2 of the Constitution? Or is it based on your personal feelings?

Got Stripers 01-11-2019 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1159440)
Slipknot spelled it out correctly. It is not a question of personal opinion. It is a matter of constitutionality. Is your opinion based on the circumscribed Executive power in Article 2 of the Constitution? Or is it based on your personal feelings?

The facts prove the problem at the border is half of what it was a decade ago, yet because in two years he has failed to deliver his main campaign promise, he has to change the narrative to a full blown crisis to justify his actions, so yes it is about opinion. He has the right to declare a national emergency, but does he have the right to do so, only to fulfill a campaign promise?
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detbuch 01-11-2019 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1159442)
The facts prove the problem at the border is half of what it was a decade ago, yet because in two years he has failed to deliver his main campaign promise, he has to change the narrative to a full blown crisis to justify his actions, so yes it is about opinion. He has the right to declare a national emergency, but does he have the right to do so, only to fulfill a campaign promise?
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He has a right to do it under the proper conditions described in the emergency. But funding it all could be held up in Court challenges until the next election. A new President could stop it.

Slipknot 01-11-2019 11:25 AM

Bob, they went from supporting a barrier under Obama and even 2 years before him , to a wall is immoral. what changed? border agents say it will help, I believe them , you don't. simple

Got Stripers 01-11-2019 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1159444)
Bob, they went from supporting a barrier under Obama and even 2 years before him , to a wall is immoral. what changed? border agents say it will help, I believe them , you don't. simple

I’m not against a wall in sections the are extremely vulnerable, holding the government and federal employees hostage to get a wall along the entire length is fing stupid. You can look back to past administrations all you like, but this one had a deal done, until Trump tuned into TV and F&F’s railed on him. He is a child who didn’t get his way and will now likely attempt anyway to steal money from efforts to help people that need it more.
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Slipknot 01-11-2019 11:37 AM

ya sounds desperate
he's learning from the career politicians I guess in his bully ways

spence 01-11-2019 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1159444)
Bob, they went from supporting a barrier under Obama and even 2 years before him , to a wall is immoral. what changed? border agents say it will help, I believe them , you don't. simple

Dems went along with some fencing in 2013 with significant concessions from the republicans. It’s not the same situation at all.
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