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RIJIMMY 02-11-2010 09:33 AM

Feel better?
 
Washington (CNN) -- Vice President Joe Biden said Wednesday that terrorists continue to try to harm the United States, but another "massive" terrorist strike like the September 11, 2001, attacks is unlikely.

"The idea of there being a massive attack in the United States like 9/11 is unlikely, in my opinion," Biden said in an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live."



(*note - Spence supported this guy for president due to his international experience)

JohnnyD 02-11-2010 10:55 AM

Yes.

spence 02-11-2010 11:00 AM

Biden: Major terror attack on U.S. unlikely - CNN.com

...that intelligence suggests tactics have shifted towards smaller but dramatic attacks -vs- a grand scale event like 9/11.

This is "lame"?

Please help me understand.

-spence

eastendlu 02-11-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 746413)
Washington (CNN) -- Vice President Joe Biden said Wednesday that terrorists continue to try to harm the United States, but another "massive" terrorist strike like the September 11, 2001, attacks is unlikely.

"The idea of there being a massive attack in the United States like 9/11 is unlikely, in my opinion," Biden said in an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live."



(*note - Spence supported this guy for president due to his international experience)

So the man is not entitled to give his opinion? So you disagree and that is fine but lame? As for how big an attack in the future is anybodies guess as we are all armchair quarterbacks who knows what the future holds as the U.S. will always have its enemies from abroad and within.

Joe 02-11-2010 11:26 AM

Maybe they are hoping to stir chatter or create actionable intelligence and this statement is a feint? Far more likely it's just Joe Biden making a gaff.

Raven 02-11-2010 12:12 PM

he makes this statement based on what exactly?

a hunch? or What the Pentagon is telling him :huh:


i thought he was put in charge of helping out the AMERICAN peoples dilemma's some where....


IT seems like............ he's doing NOTHING

JohnnyD 02-11-2010 12:13 PM

Maybe the Dems are preparing themselves since the GOP is already positioning for their typical election-year attacks about how the Dems are soft on terrorists and how we were somehow safer under Bush - which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

justplugit 02-11-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 746474)
how we were somehow safer under Bush - which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

JD, how did you come to that conclusion?

fishbones 02-11-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe (Post 746448)
Far more likely it's just Joe Biden making a gaff.

You're probably right, Joe.
Everyone here probably knows that I'm not a fan of Palin at all, but it seems that her gaffes get a lot more attention than Bidens.
YouTube - Joe Biden Gaffe Blooper Mix

spence 02-11-2010 12:59 PM

If it was a gaff wouldn't that mean a big attack was imminent?

-spence

fishbones 02-11-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 746491)
If it was a gaff wouldn't that mean a big attack was imminent?

-spence

With Biden, you never know. He may have been referring to the band Massive Attack. They have no plans on being in the US any time soon. So he would actually be correct in that there will be no Massive Attack in the US in the near future.
Massive Attack Tour Dates | Pollstar - The Concert Hotwire

buckman 02-11-2010 01:42 PM

Is Joe still warning everyone to stay off jets and avoid crowded places to keep from catching Swine Flu??????

In the same Larry King interview he stated that one of Obama's great accomplishments will be Iraq......WTF

Joe's a "Meathead"

detbuch 02-11-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 746532)
Is Joe still warning everyone to stay off jets and avoid crowded places to keep from catching Swine Flu??????

In the same Larry King interview he stated that one of Obama's great accomplishments will be Iraq......WTF

Joe's a "Meathead"

Yes, and after all the accusations by Biden and Obama, during the Bush years that the Iraq invasion, and the surge were wrong, a failure, a mess, that we should have pulled out, that it destabilized the area and made the world a more dangerous place, that the Iraquis could never come together--on Larry King, Biden says "I am very optimistic about--about Iraq. I mean this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. . . .You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government. . . .I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."

He has the hutzpah to give the Obama administration the credit for something he and Obama railed against.

spence 02-11-2010 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 746534)
Yes, and after all the accusations by Biden and Obama, during the Bush years that the Iraq invasion, and the surge were wrong, a failure, a mess, that we should have pulled out, that it destabilized the area and made the world a more dangerous place, that the Iraquis could never come together--on Larry King, Biden says "I am very optimistic about--about Iraq. I mean this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. . . .You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government. . . .I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."

He has the hutzpah to give the Obama administration the credit for something he and Obama railed against.

There certainly was a popular line of thought at one time that reconciliation among Iraqi's was impossible. Even today the Kurds have retained a sense of autonomy from the central Iraqi government...

But to remark that Iraq might not end up a total disaster in the end does in no way contradict the assertion that it was a mistake to begin with. Additionally, the cost to US taxpayers and families to keep if from completely destabilizing the region has been quite severe.

That the sitting VP would put a positive spin on a US interest that hasn't fully played out??? OH THE SHAME...

-spence

buckman 02-11-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 746538)
There certainly was a popular line of thought at one time that reconciliation among Iraqi's was impossible. Even today the Kurds have retained a sense of autonomy from the central Iraqi government...

But to remark that Iraq might not end up a total disaster in the end does in no way contradict the assertion that it was a mistake to begin with. Additionally, the cost to US taxpayers and families to keep if from completely destabilizing the region has been quite severe.

That the sitting VP would put a positive spin on a US interest that hasn't fully played out??? OH THE SHAME...

-spence

You are the King of spin Spence.
He said" could be one of the great achievements of this administration. . . .You're going to see a stable government in Iraq"

NOT "might not end up a total disaster"

Where was Obamas, Bidens, Yours or any Bush haters positive spin a year ago?

spence 02-11-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 746543)
You are the King of spin Spence.
He said" could be one of the great achievements of this administration. . . .You're going to see a stable government in Iraq"

NOT "might not end up a total disaster"

Where was Obamas, Bidens, Yours or any Bush haters positive spin a year ago?

So the idea that the Obama Administration could cleanly pull 90,000 US troops from Iraq over a year into the term isn't an accomplishment they can take credit for?

-spence

RIJIMMY 02-11-2010 04:04 PM

isnt it funny that I did not voice my opinion but was attacked for having one in the first few posts. It was a simple question.

so my answer? No, I dont feel better, I want the VP of the United States to say some thing like this -

"We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

PRBuzz 02-11-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 746558)
I want the VP of the United States to say some thing like this -

"We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

Didn't some guy named George speak those words? I think he got a reprimanded for :whackin: some guy in a MASH tent. What was his name General............General Patton?

JohnnyD 02-11-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 746486)
You're probably right, Joe.
Everyone here probably knows that I'm not a fan of Palin at all, but it seems that her gaffes get a lot more attention than Bidens.

The far Right's only purpose for Palin is because she gets a lot of PR. Having her do a keynote speech at any event will trigger massive publicity.

Palin is shadowed by controversy due to the reports from the McCain camp after the campaign and because of her public comments. Reporters flock to controversy.

Biden is expected to make gaffs (this doesn't make them acceptable). Where as just about any appearance by Palin gives the news stations hours of commentary - be it by FoxNews and how they agree with her, or CNN for how she's an idiot.

spence 02-11-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 746558)
isnt it funny that I did not voice my opinion but was attacked for having one in the first few posts. It was a simple question.

We read the "lame" remark in your sig as your opinion.

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so my answer? No, I dont feel better, I want the VP of the United States to say some thing like this -

"We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
The point is to lead, not blow smoke up voter's asses. Biden was being honest. Honesty is one of the four pillars of leadership.

-spence

spence 02-11-2010 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 746567)
The far Right's only purpose for Palin is because she gets a lot of PR. Having her do a keynote speech at any event will trigger massive publicity.

Yea, cause she's good looking. Were she not we wouldn't know her name, unless we moved to Alaska.

-spence

detbuch 02-11-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 746545)
So the idea that the Obama Administration could cleanly pull 90,000 US troops from Iraq over a year into the term isn't an accomplishment they can take credit for?

-spence

The eventual draw down of troops from Iraq was ALWAYS part of the BUSH policy. What is it about success in Iraq that the Obama administration can take credit for, other than continuing the previous administration's policies?

The chutzpah is in continuing to trash the invasion, long after it was relevant to do so, in order to win back the congress and presidency, then turning around and claiming the previous "debacle" a success of the current administration.

detbuch 02-11-2010 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 746578)
The point is to lead, not blow smoke up voter's asses. Biden was being honest. Honesty is one of the four pillars of leadership.

-spence

Biden giving credit for success in Iraq to his administration (and none to Bush) is being honest and not blowing smoke up voter's asses?

justplugit 02-11-2010 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 746534)
--on Larry King, Biden says "I am very optimistic about--about Iraq. I mean this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. . . .You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government. . . .I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."

He has the hutzpah to give the Obama administration the credit for something he and Obama railed against.


Ya chutzpah for sure, wasn't it Obama and Biden that voted against the surge that ended up turning things around, and wasn't it Biden who wanted to split Iraq in 3 parts and now saying there is a good chance it is becoming a young Democracy?

detbuch 02-11-2010 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 746611)
Ya chutzpah for sure, wasn't it Obama and Biden that voted against the surge that ended up turning things around, and wasn't it Biden who wanted to split Iraq in 3 parts and now saying there is a good chance it is becoming a young Democracy?

For sure--among MANY criticisms that they launched. There was such a negative drumbeat against the war that they helped to turn public opinion against it, calling it a Vietnam, and emboldening the enemy to hope that we would treat it as such and withdraw. Instead, Bush refused to let that happen, and we now have an ally in the place of a former enemy. And Biden now claims it as a success of his administration!

buckman 02-11-2010 08:06 PM

I have to believe Biden is locked in his room right now.

Fly Rod 02-11-2010 09:09 PM

The time frame for leaving Iraq that biden is trying to give credit to the Obama administration was already hammered out in the Bush administration, no need to argue about it. :rotf2: :rotf2:

TommyTuna 02-11-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 746545)
So the idea that the Obama Administration could cleanly pull 90,000 US troops from Iraq over a year into the term isn't an accomplishment they can take credit for?

-spence

I guess that the fact the Status of Forces agreement to drawn down the troops in 2010 signed under Bush had nothing to do with it..fact wise that is.

Oh yes and Spence; Patrick Kennedy is not running for re-election, you should run for the seat, RI needs you, really needs you.:soon:

TT

RIJIMMY 02-12-2010 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 746578)
We read the "lame" remark in your sig as your opinion.


The point is to lead, not blow smoke up voter's asses. Biden was being honest. Honesty is one of the four pillars of leadership.

-spence

HONEST??? He is being stupid. Its that mentality that allowed for 9/11. Anything is possible and we need to be prepared. I know......Im a fear monger.

And PR BUZZ - That was a quote from Winston Churchill, not Patton

spence 02-12-2010 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 746674)
HONEST??? He is being stupid. Its that mentality that allowed for 9/11. Anything is possible and we need to be prepared. I know......Im a fear monger.

So Biden makes a comment that he thinks a small but dramatic attack is more likely than a large scale plot...and you...

Let's get this straight...

Interpret this as the Obama administration completely ignoring the possibility of another 9/11 scale attack?

And to cap it off you parrot some cheap election year rhetoric?

Talk about lame, that's just n#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g futz.

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And PR BUZZ - That was a quote from Winston Churchill, not Patton
Sounds like a more sophisticated version of Palin's "we win, they loose" approach to foreign policy :jester:

-spence


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