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The Dad Fisherman 06-25-2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169201)
How about we just treat the kids in our care today like human beings as a start.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instan...e-children.jpg

wdmso 06-25-2019 11:17 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...aling-n1021151. Must be fake news. Almost 300 migrant children have been removed from a border patrol facility in Texas after media reports of lawyers describing “appalling” and potentially dangerous conditions, Department of Homeland Security officials told NBC News. size=1]Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device[/size]

Sea Dangles 06-25-2019 01:07 PM

Why would these kids be put in this predicament?
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basswipe 06-25-2019 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1169152)
You would get better treatment as a prisoner of war, then the children being held at Trumps “summer camps” for immigrant children.

You're really going to compare POWs and immigrant children?

I'd call you a complete and total retard except that would be an insult to to retarded people.

You have some serious mental issues to even make that comparison.From every vet out there here's a big GO EFF YOURSELF!

Got Stripers 06-25-2019 01:26 PM

Never debated or denied there are many (not sure anyone has quantified) kids here that were brought here under questionably circumstances, doesn’t change the fact some 3000 have been separated and are living in deplorable circumstances. Trump is ok giving money to farmers to make up for the hurt he put on them due to tariffs or rob other funds to build the wall, I’m pretty sure a lot could have been done well before this point if he and his GOP boot lickers gave a damn.
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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1169218)
Never debated or denied there are many (not sure anyone has quantified) kids here that were brought here under questionably circumstances, doesn’t change the fact some 3000 have been separated and are living in deplorable circumstances. Trump is ok giving money to farmers to make up for the hurt he put on them due to tariffs or rob other funds to build the wall, I’m pretty sure a lot could have been done well before this point if he and his GOP boot lickers gave a damn.
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you’re pretty sure a lot
could have been done. how
about instead of a wall, we
build a 1,500 mile
long day care center?

where would
you put them? whats the alternative?
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spence 06-25-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1169214)
Why would these kids be put in this predicament?
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Immigration turned into a political wedge issue to divide the country leading to an inability or unwillingness of our elected leaders to address the issues. Trump didn't invent the problem but he sure as hell has made it a lot worse.

Sea Dangles 06-25-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169223)
Immigration turned into a political wedge issue to divide the country leading to an inability or unwillingness of our elected leaders to address the issues. Trump didn't invent the problem but he sure as hell has made it a lot worse.

Jeff,if you are paying attention then you should know the amount of people trying to enter our country illegally has grown exponentially. Some want to deny it and cater to the offenders. Others are trying to prevent it altogether. Nobody should be surprised that it’s getting worse. This could have been prevented but as you point out, it’s political grandstanding at its finest.
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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169223)
Immigration turned into a political wedge issue to divide the country leading to an inability or unwillingness of our elected leaders to address the issues. Trump didn't invent the problem but he sure as hell has made it a lot worse.

it’s trumps fault that we’re seeing a surge in the
number of families as a percentage of people crossing?

Spence, what should he have done, when faced with all
these families? where would
you have told him to put them?
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spence 06-25-2019 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1169225)
Jeff,if you are paying attention then you should know the amount of people trying to enter our country illegally has grown exponentially.

I'm paying enough attention to know this isn't true.

Jim in CT 06-25-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169227)
I'm paying enough attention to know this isn't true.

it’s over 100,000 a month who are caught. what should we do with that number?
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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169227)
I'm paying enough attention to know this isn't true.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/cros...-year-ago.html
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a little old and not a lot of data, but...

spence 06-25-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1169229)
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/cros...-year-ago.html
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a little old and not a lot of data, but...

This doesn't back up SD's remark.

wdmso 06-25-2019 03:36 PM

compassion human dignity access to clean water a shower clean clothes medical care recreation

are basic provisions provided to every Inmate in the United States and POW or terrorist captured by the USA

blind to their crime color or where they are from..

And yet here the Trump supports can't figure that out?? they make excuse after excuse about who's fault it is

All the while accepting theses conditions as Part of the deserved outcome for those who dare try to come to America .. regardless of age or ability to make the choice ....

Another shining example of how to make America great Again :yak5:

Jim in CT 06-25-2019 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169230)
This doesn't back up SD's remark.

no, it’s not increasing exponentially. but it’s surging, very significantly. that’s not trumps fault, is it?
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spence 06-25-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1169232)
no, it’s not increasing exponentially. but it’s surging, very significantly. that’s not trumps fault, is it?
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The asylum seekers have been up and yes Trump has contributed significantly to the problem.

Got Stripers 06-25-2019 04:34 PM

Look at numbers from past administrations and today, the difference is Trump and policy, stats can’t lie like Trump. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck; guess what it’s a duck.
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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169236)
The asylum seekers have been up and yes Trump has contributed significantly to the problem.

i guess you’re right, the surging economy makes america that much more attractive to people
everywhere else...you walked right into that one.

since i’m pretty sure that’s not what you meant, please tell
us why it’s Trumps fault that many more illegals are crossing?


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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1169237)
Look at numbers from past administrations and today, the difference is Trump and policy, stats can’t lie like Trump. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck; guess what it’s a duck.
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how is it trumps doing, that immigrant crossings are up? i thought he was attacking our democratic institutions, and according to you, he was weakening our global status? if he has turned america into a brutal dictatorship, and an
international laughingstock, why are more people
risking everything to come here?

can’t have it both ways, GS...
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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 05:17 PM

I’ve asked the TDS sufferers here what the alternative is, where should we put the tens of thousands of people
we catch every month. i keep asking that obvious question, i haven’t seen a syllable in terms of a response.

newsflash..:if you have no better alternative, that means he’s making the best of a rotten situation. and one that the parents, not our president, created.
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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 05:21 PM

by the way, dna tests have shown that about one third of the children who cross, are not related to the adults they cross with. these are fake families, sometimes
with rented children to give the adults a better shot at being allowed to stay. is it a good idea to leave children with adults who
would exploit them this way?

this is a sick situation, it shouldn’t be political. Seal
the border, discourage people
from coming illegally, and allow more legal
immigrants. that’s the answer, it’s not partisan, it’s not complicated, it’s not unfair.

our current policies encourage the criminal exploitation of little kids.

https://pluralist.com/dna-tests-reve...ren-unrelated/
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Got Stripers 06-25-2019 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1169241)
how is it trumps doing, that immigrant crossings are up? i thought he was attacking our democratic institutions, and according to you, he was weakening our global status? if he has turned america into a brutal dictatorship, and an
international laughingstock, why are more people
risking everything to come here?

can’t have it both ways, GS...
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Are you really arguing his policies haven’t contributed to this situation? Additionally I started this thread not to debate cause but to call out this administration for doing nothing to address this and it’s been a long time since this has been a problem.
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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1169244)
Are you really arguing his policies haven’t contributed to this situation? Additionally I started this thread not to debate cause but to call out this administration for doing nothing to address this and it’s been a long time since this has been a problem.
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what policies has trump
enacted, which would
encourage more illegals to come? i keep hearing that Trump is a xenophobe. now you’re saying he’s encouraging more to
come here.

wait, maybe he hates them so
much that he encourages them
to come, so that he can intern the children in concentration camps? is that it? he’s luring them
here, just to brutalize them?

there’s
no reason why these people
can’t have toothpaste. as to showers? sorry, some
months we catch over 100,000 of them. we don’t have facilities to hold that many people
where they can shower daily and be comfortable. no such facility exists, and would take.a long time
to build it.

where would
you put them?

trump did nothing to address it? you’re right he should have gotten the wall when the gop controlled congress.
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Got Stripers 06-25-2019 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by basswipe (Post 1169216)
You're really going to compare POWs and immigrant children?

I'd call you a complete and total retard except that would be an insult to to retarded people.

You have some serious mental issues to even make that comparison.From every vet out there here's a big GO EFF YOURSELF!

Go read the guidelines of the Geneva convention and tell me then these kids aren’t been denied some of the basics. Here is just a snippet for those that like to throw insults without understanding the point of my post. Have a good day, I won’t get down to that level to exchange insults.

POWs must be treated humanely in all circumstances. They are protected against any act of violence, as well as against intimidation, insults, and public curiosity. IHL also defines minimum conditions of detention covering such issues as accommodation, food, clothing, hygiene and medical care.
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Sea Dangles 06-25-2019 06:25 PM

Clearly the best president of our lifetime. Thank him for your good nights rest snowflakes.
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Got Stripers 06-25-2019 06:40 PM

Yup a man (white Bill Cosby) our children can all look up to🤣
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Jim in CT 06-25-2019 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1169252)
Yup a man (white Bill Cosby) our children can all look up to🤣
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we didn’t elect him to
be a role model, but to improve things. hard to deny that things are better now.

when i was at aetna, we had a CEO who was well known to be a world class pr*ck. but he was a terrific CEO.
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Got Stripers 06-25-2019 07:35 PM

We didn’t elect him and by that I mean I didn’t vote for a man with no morals, someone with a history of screwing others for personal gain, a pig and sexual predator, narcissist to the extreme, habitual lier, a man incapable of treating anyone with respect, the negative descriptive adjectives are endless; I voted for the lesser evil. If this is the new norm we are in deep s*hit, if nothing about the means troubles you, then feel free to ignore the wrong to get that good feeling about the economy. Trump island isn’t as good as you think it is, nor is the robust economy all his doing, but keep those blinders firmly in place and you will not see anything that disturbs you.
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Sea Dangles 06-25-2019 09:34 PM

Sticks and stones now? Go cry a river.
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Got Stripers 06-26-2019 05:39 AM

I call a spade a spade, Trump calls all Mexicans spades, bad hombres, mostly rapists and gang members. Then we have the other immigrants coming from the sh*thole country’s. Then all the lies just endless and what’s more troubling is that his base continues to believe them, like cult members. Love the reporting of numerous ICE agent interviews, where many are longing for the Obama term rules and clarity and ease of dealing with immigrants.
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