Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178132)

I understand it's not a vote to authorize impeachment it is a vote on a resolution asserting their right to conduct an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump,

seeing Republicans have made up new standards when it comes to impeachment

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178136)

obama asked a russian official to postpone missile talks to help him get re-elected. and he didn’t get impeached.

senate democrats sent a letter to ukraine asking them
to investigate Manafort and Trump, their political rivals, and they didn’t get impeached

all kinds of evidence that Biden engaged in a quid pro quo with ukraine, which, in addition to possibly achieving legitimate policy goals, also possibly benefitted his druggie son tremendously. Biden didn’t get impeached.

So who has different standards for what’s impeachable.
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178137)

None of them are POTUS not sure how you cant see the difference..

And you dont need a vote to have an impeachment hearing . Unless your a republican now its a thing
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178136)

obama asked a russian official to postpone missile talks to help him get re-elected. and he didn’t get impeached.

senate democrats sent a letter to ukraine asking them
to investigate Manafort and Trump, their political rivals, and they didn’t get impeached

all kinds of evidence that Biden engaged in a quid pro quo with ukraine, which, in addition to possibly achieving legitimate policy goals, also possibly benefitted his druggie son tremendously. Biden didn’t get impeached.

So who has different standards for what’s impeachable.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178138)

Obama wasn't potus? Wow I need to re-read my history....

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1178139)

If this is the mindset of an informed voter I'm afraid we're doomed as a Country.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1178141)

Love seeing the butt hurt flakes spiraling out of control.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178142)

vague insults from a little
twerp who can never criticize his own side or compliment the other side. bleating of the sheep spence, that’s 90% of what you do. what did i stay exactly, that was wrong?

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1178146)

You have pretty much all of it wrong. You are fact intolerant.

Quit with the stupid insults. I think you're better than that and you'll never be as big of a prick as your mentor SD.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178142)

vague insults from a little
twerp who can never criticize his own side or compliment the other side. bleating of the sheep spence, that’s 90% of what you do. what did i stay exactly, that was wrong?

from a guy who literally couldn’t bring himself
to showup here for weeks after the election.
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1178186)

Jiminy crickets
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178150)

you called me misinformed, then have the sack to ask
me to drop the insults.

i have it all wrong? i’ll go slowly...

(1)did obama, or did he not, ask
a russian official to postpone missile talks until after his reelection, because in obama’s words, he’s have more flexibility to work with the Russians, after his last election, therefore after he was answerable?

(2) did three democrats in the us senate ask ukraine to
investigate their political opponents, or did they not?

(3) did biden, or did he not, brag about withholding ukrainian aid if they didn’t fire a prosecutor, at a time when his son had a lucrative job for which his qualifications were questionable, at a ukrainian company known to be corrupt?

all of that is wrong? no truth there?

have you thought about where you’ll hide in 2020 if it doesn’t go your way?

i’m not even a little bit of a
prick. but i’ll call your crap when
you lob it at me.
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1178191)

Jim they are all irrelevant to the topic and what Trump did .. with hold aid . Unless a foreign goverment gave him dirt on a political opponent..

None of your examples are remotely the same no matter how you insist their the same ..
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1178209)

A growing number of Republicans are privately warning of increasing fears of a total wipeout in 2020: House, Senate, and White House.

But not Donnie, or is he just putting on a brave front?

Nervous Nancy Pelosi is doing everything possible to destroy the Republican Party. Our Polls show that it is going to be just the opposite. The Do Nothing Dems will lose many seats in 2020. They have a Death Wish, led by a corrupt politician, Adam Schiff!

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178150)

you called me misinformed, then have the sack to ask
me to drop the insults.

i have it all wrong? i’ll go slowly...

(1)did obama, or did he not, ask
a russian official to postpone missile talks until after his reelection, because in obama’s words, he’s have more flexibility to work with the Russians, after his last election, therefore after he was answerable?

What's the illegal action? Starting negotiations after an election is not illegal.
Obama was quoted the following day saying he wasn’t trying to “hide the ball,” and would carry through with negotiations with Russia. In May 2016, after nearly a decade of planning (and over the continued objections of Russia), the NATO missile defense system in Europe was finally launched.

(2) did three democrats in the us senate ask ukraine to
investigate their political opponents, or did they not?

The three senators sent this public letter https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf asking the Ukrainian Prosecutor General to answer some questions regarding interference and cooperation with the ongoing Mueller investigation.

(3) did biden, or did he not, brag about withholding ukrainian aid if they didn’t fire a prosecutor, at a time when his son had a lucrative job for which his qualifications were questionable, at a ukrainian company known to be corrupt?

He absolutely bragged about it as he should have. But you missed the facts to push another fairy tale.
Ukraine has long struggled to combat corruption, and anti-graft efforts scaled up in the wake of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution that toppled then-President Viktor Yanukovych.
Paul Manafort spent from 2004 to 2014 as a consultant to Ukraine's Party of Regions and its standardbearer, Viktor Yanukovych.
In 2014, then-Vice President Biden’s son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a large private Ukrainian gas firm. Also in 2014, the firm’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky (the former Ukrainian ecology minister and a political ally of Yanukovych), came under investigation for corrupt business dealings. In 2015, Viktor Shokin was appointed to the role of prosecutor general and thus assumed control over the investigation into Zlochevsky and his businesses.

Following cries from observers about Shokin’s own ineptitude and corruption and pressure from Vice President Biden, among others, Shokin was fired in 2016. Shokin’s firing drew praise from Western observers, including from the European Union’s envoy to Ukraine, who noted that the firing of Shokin “creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office” and expressed “hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office ... becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust.”

Notably, Ukraine’s then-Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko stated in May 2019 that he was aware of no evidence of criminal wrongdoing by Hunter Biden. The New York Times reports that “no evidence has surfaced to support” President Trump’s allegations that the former vice president sought to dismiss Shokin in order to help his son.

all of that is wrong? no truth there?
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1178213)

All good false narratives have connections to the truth, but the dots don't connect.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1178215)

"What's the illegal action?

I didn't say there was an illegal action. I said it's an example of Obama asking a foreign power for a favor which would help him get reelected (obviously,Obama didn't want the voters to know his intentions regarding Russian missiles until after his election was behind him). Does that sound familiar, sound like any part of why Trump is being impeached? If it's OK for Obama to ask for a favor which would benefit him politically, why can't Trump do it?
Because it is a violation of his oath of office, to ask a foreign government for assistance in his election.

"Obama was quoted the following day saying he wasn’t trying to “hide the ball,”"

And if you're going to believe what Obama says in a prepared statement after he got caught on a hot mic and take his word for it, we can take Trump at his word.

"The three senators sent this public letter https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf asking the Ukrainian Prosecutor General to answer some questions regarding interference and cooperation with the ongoing Mueller investigation. "

In other words, they asked a foreign power to assist/investigate in getting dirt on a political rival. Does that sound familiar, sound like any part of why Trump is being impeached? If it's OK for senate democrats to ask a foreign power to assist in the investigation of a political rival, why isn't it OK for Trump to do it?

I guess it would have been ok if instead of sending an official letter as members of Congress, they had asked Rudy to do it for them with the assistance of a couple hirelings of Russian Oligarchs

As to Biden, your response completely ignored the evidence that Biden's family, namely his son, personally benefitted from Biden's actions as VP. You dodged that issue completely. But if Biden can use the leverage of a quid pro quo to benefit his son, why can't Trump do the same to benefit himself? I'm not saying the prosecutor didn't deserve to be fired, I'm saying someone else should have pressured them to do it, someone whose son didn't have a lot at risk.

What evidence is there that Hunter Biden's hiring was in exchange for anything? As far as pressure goes, lot's of other organizations wanted the corruption in Ukraine stopped, Biden was chosen to be the spokesman for the USA.

None of this will matter. He's probably getting impeached in the house, obviously not convicted in they Senate, and the voters can decide if the impeachment was legit or a sham based on previous similar actions that were OK at the time, and which you defend today.

Then the IG and Durham reports will come out, which you have already made up your mind are a sham, and which most conservatives have already made up their minds is legit.

I go where facts and common sense take me. In this case, I can make a very compelling case that Trump is being held to a different standard than Obama, senate democrats, and Biden. I don't believe that because I want it to be true (that's what you and Spence do), I believe it because the facts suggest it's true. If Trump in fact committed an impeachable offense, I'd be happy to see him impeached, I like Pence a lot better. Nicer guy, more truly conservative.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1178219)

Kelley told Trump that if he hired a yes-man, he would be impeached.
There are plenty of people in this administration that know the truth and it is starting to open up.
Sondland is next, he will recant his testimony and I expect, admit that Trump told him to say there is no quid pro quo.
This is not the Trump Organization, it's the US government and it is hard to hide the underhanded BS like Trump did for years in his business. There's a reason he was party to thousands of lawsuits, in fact if you google "party to thousands of lawsuits" guess who is number one.
Things in Trumpland will crash fast, until weeks before his resignation Republicans stood firmly behind Nixon.