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Jim in CT 09-15-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1214160)
The people moving don't State their moving because of crime or a few people pooping in San Francisco. The ones moving are lower educated poorer folks who can't afford California. The people moving into California make more money an are more highly educated. Lower immigration from other countries has her California also.
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so you found a source which states people claimed they were living for the reason you stated, but didnít claim and if the reasons i stated. thatís what youíre saying?

google ďwhy are people
leaving california.Ē.
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spence 09-15-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214161)
But the AP said the trend started i. 2017. Covid was a big deal in CA in 2017, then?
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No cycle is linear. You sure you work as an actuarial?

I'm serious about this.

PaulS 09-15-2021 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214163)
so you found a source which states people claimed they were living for the reason you stated, but didnít claim and if the reasons i stated. thatís what youíre saying?

google ďwhy are people
leaving california.Ē.
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Yeah exactly right
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Jim in CT 09-15-2021 04:10 PM

Pete - ďitís interesting that you claim to be conservative yet want more laws to prevent voter fraud.Ē.

where the heck did you get the laughably stupid idea, that being conservative means you donít support any conceivable law?
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spence 09-15-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214166)
Pete - ďitís interesting that you claim to be conservative yet want more laws to prevent voter fraud.Ē.

where the heck did you get the laughably stupid idea, that being conservative means you donít support any conceivable law?
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Complete twist.

Jim in CT 09-15-2021 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1214167)
Complete twist.

iím too old and fat to twist like you guys.

read what he said, please, and if itís confusing to you, have a child explain it.

thereís nothing anti conservative about taking obvious, basic steps to ensure voting integrity.
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spence 09-15-2021 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214168)
i’m too old and fat to twist like you guys.

read what he said, please, and if it’s confusing to you, have a child explain it.

there’s nothing anti conservative about taking obvious, basic steps to ensure voting integrity.
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When the voting system has no signs of a significant lack of integrity, it make no sense to pass laws that restrict voting. This is entirely opposite of any Conservative position I'm aware of. Groups calling out Biden trying to create a Monarchy are a joke. If anything the electorate should be concerned about the massive gerrymandering now underway in red states.

Let's keep our elections free and fair.

wdmso 09-15-2021 04:24 PM

massive gerrymandering now underway in red states. The only way Republicans can win elections in the modern era Ö. Cheat while blaming others of cheating
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Jim in CT 09-15-2021 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214170)
massive gerrymandering now underway in red states. The only way Republicans can win elections in the modern era Ö. Cheat while blaming others of cheating
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which his what the democrats do as well, did it in CT when they redefined the one rural district that occasionally went red, redrew the lines so it now includes enough urban areas to be solidly blue. shady, but both sides do it.
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PaulS 09-15-2021 04:50 PM

Both sides do it but the Republicans have perfected it and do it to a much more extreme basis. New York is going to lose one seat but may gerrymander 5 Republican seats out.
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scottw 09-15-2021 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1214174)

Both sides do it but the Republicans have perfected it and do it to a much more extreme basis.

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Good grief
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Jim in CT 09-15-2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1214174)
Both sides do it but the Republicans have perfected it and do it to a much more extreme basis. New York is going to lose one seat but may gerrymander 5 Republican seats out.
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you have anything to support that? thatís a sincere question, not a gotcha question.
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Jim in CT 09-15-2021 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1214169)
When the voting system has no signs of a significant lack of integrity, it make no sense to pass laws that restrict voting. This is entirely opposite of any Conservative position I'm aware of. Groups calling out Biden trying to create a Monarchy are a joke. If anything the electorate should be concerned about the massive gerrymandering now underway in red states.

Let's keep our elections free and fair.

youíre saying thereís no problem, so no need for voter id.

that would be a great argument if there werenít hundreds is aspects in your life where you are proactive already.

you wait until youíve had a car accident to get auto insurance?

you wait until your house gets broken into before you get an alarm?

please explain why itís more burdensome to require an id to vote, than it is to require an us to see a doctor or pick up a prescription.

Who are these massive groups of people who donít have an id? they donít travel, pay rent or a mortgage, go to the doctor, have utilities to pay, etc?

itís such a lame argument.
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PaulS 09-15-2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214177)
you have anything to support that? thatís a sincere question, not a gotcha question.
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They've developed and used software that can map likelihood of votes down to each house.
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Jim in CT 09-15-2021 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1214180)
They've developed and used software that can map likelihood of votes down to each house.
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republicans did that? wow.

now can you provide data to suggest gerrymandering is done more by the gop?

i guess since the gop controls
more states, that gives the gop more opportunities.
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wdmso 09-15-2021 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214171)
which his what the democrats do as well, did it in CT when they redefined the one rural district that occasionally went red, redrew the lines so it now includes enough urban areas to be solidly blue. shady, but both sides do it.
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Once again Jim you love to make comparisons that donít exist..

If you think Dems use gerrymandering to the degree and intent the Republicans do it your crazy
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wdmso 09-15-2021 07:09 PM

https://election.princeton.edu/2012/...es-do-it-myth/

The AP scrutinized the outcomes of all 435 U.S. House races and about 4,700 state House and Assembly seats up for election last year using a new statistical method of calculating partisan advantage. Itís designed to detect cases in which one party may have won, widened or retained its grip on power through political gerrymandering.

The analysis found four times as many states with Republican-skewed state House or Assembly districts than Democratic ones. Among the two dozen most populated states that determine the vast majority of Congress, there were nearly three times as many with Republican-tilted U.S. House districts.

A separate statistical analysis conducted for AP by the Princeton University Gerrymandering Project found that the extreme Republican advantages in some states were no fluke. The Republican edge in Michiganís state House districts had only a 1-in-16,000 probability of occurring by chance; in Wisconsinís Assembly districts, there was a mere 1-in-60,000 likelihood of it happening randomly, the analysis found.

The AP analysis also found that Republicans won as many as 22 additional U.S. House seats over what would have been expected based on the average vote share in congressional districts across the country.

1. Republicansí gerrymandering increases seat share by 9.1%. Over 20 years For Democrats, the study found no significant overall increase in congressional seat share when the party controlled redistricting. Democrats having legal control over redistricting does little to swing the seat share in their favoróor to correct the disproportionality drawn by Republicans. Conservatives use the redistricting pen to draw maps advantageous to their electoral chancesóand they do so enthusiastically, netting partisan benefits that last for a decades worth of elections.
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Pete F. 09-15-2021 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214166)
Pete - ďitís interesting that you claim to be conservative yet want more laws to prevent voter fraud.Ē.

where the heck did you get the laughably stupid idea, that being conservative means you donít support any conceivable law?
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Letís see, where donít we need more
We have enough gun laws, most firearms deaths in the first world
We have enough tax lawsÖÖ
We have enough environmental lawsÖ..
ÖÖ,,,,,,,
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The Dad Fisherman 09-15-2021 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214178)
youíre saying thereís no problem, so no need for voter id.

that would be a great argument if there werenít hundreds is aspects in your life where you are proactive already.

you wait until youíve had a car accident to get auto insurance?

you wait until your house gets broken into before you get an alarm?

please explain why itís more burdensome to require an id to vote, than it is to require an us to see a doctor or pick up a prescription.

Who are these massive groups of people who donít have an id? they donít travel, pay rent or a mortgage, go to the doctor, have utilities to pay, etc?

itís such a lame argument.
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Maybe they should have mailed out a voucher good for the cost of an ID at your local town offices/DMV with the Stimmy checks. :huh:
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Pete F. 09-15-2021 08:21 PM

Youíre assuming that all people in this country have access to health care, transportation and a polling place that is open outside the hours they are required to be at work or financially able to take time off work to go and vote.
How long did people in low income districts stand in line to vote and how does that compare to middle and upper class districts?
Careful, the data exists
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scottw 09-15-2021 08:43 PM

oh no....it's a parade of armed insurrectionists and black white supremacists....what has the world come to?

https://twitter.com/LeeroyPress/stat...ne-mandates%2F

scottw 09-15-2021 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214193)

Youíre assuming that all people in this country have access to health care, transportation and a polling place

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they do

scottw 09-15-2021 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1214192)
Maybe they should have mailed out a voucher good for the cost of an ID at your local town offices/DMV with the Stimmy checks. :huh:
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maybe do a million dollar drawing or free college tuition drawing to incentivize people to get a form of identification...or maybe just free Big Gulps

wdmso 09-16-2021 07:10 AM

Please look up the History of voter Id .. then come back and tell me why is suddenly became a concern for conservatives only starting in the 1950s .. and I doubt youíll find the term voter fraud or election integrity mentioned never mind evidence of fraud as the cause for these changes .. but demographics and whoís votes. Now your getting to the bones of the issue. . But some how the the left are the intellectual dishonest ones.. 😂
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wdmso 09-16-2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214193)
Careful, the data exists
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Facts and data are no concern of conservatives

But lies and conspiracy then you have their attention
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scottw 09-16-2021 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214208)

Facts and data are no concern of conservatives


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this is definitely true :rotf2:

Pete F. 09-16-2021 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214208)
Facts and data are no concern of conservatives


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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1214210)
this is definitely true :rotf2:

A little of the typical troll method: creative editing

Covid past seven days:rtfm:

Mississippi
Deaths per 100,000: 1.8
Daily average deaths: 53.7

Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 1.52
Daily average deaths: 325.4

Louisiana
Deaths per 100,000: 1.42
Daily average deaths: 66

Arkansas
Deaths per 100,000: 1.07
Daily average deaths: 32.3

South Carolina
Deaths per 100,000: 1.05
Daily average deaths: 53.9

Texas
Deaths per 100,000: 0.99
Daily average deaths: 286

Wyoming
Deaths per 100,000: 0.96
Daily average deaths: 5.6

West Virginia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.88
Daily average deaths: 15.7

Alabama
Deaths per 100,000: 0.87
Daily average deaths: 42.6

Georgia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.87
Daily average deaths: 93.1

Tennessee
Deaths per 100,000: 0.85
Daily average deaths: 58.3

Idaho
Deaths per 100,000: 0.77
Daily average deaths: 13.7

Missouri
Deaths per 100,000: 0.75
Daily average deaths: 45.9

Oklahoma
Deaths per 100,000: 0.75
Daily average deaths: 29.6

Nevada
Deaths per 100,000: 0.74
Daily average deaths: 22.7


scottw 09-16-2021 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214211)
A little of the typical troll method: creative editing

Covid past seven days:rtfm:



Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 1.52
Daily average deaths: 325.4


past 7 days?

Jim in CT 09-16-2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214208)
Facts and data are no concern of conservatives

But lies and conspiracy then you have their attention
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do you judge a state on how it did last month? or how itís done since the beginning?

Are you guys serious?
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Jim in CT 09-16-2021 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214211)
A little of the typical troll method: creative editing

Covid past seven days:rtfm:

Mississippi
Deaths per 100,000: 1.8
Daily average deaths: 53.7

Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 1.52
Daily average deaths: 325.4

Louisiana
Deaths per 100,000: 1.42
Daily average deaths: 66

Arkansas
Deaths per 100,000: 1.07
Daily average deaths: 32.3

South Carolina
Deaths per 100,000: 1.05
Daily average deaths: 53.9

Texas
Deaths per 100,000: 0.99
Daily average deaths: 286

Wyoming
Deaths per 100,000: 0.96
Daily average deaths: 5.6

West Virginia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.88
Daily average deaths: 15.7

Alabama
Deaths per 100,000: 0.87
Daily average deaths: 42.6

Georgia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.87
Daily average deaths: 93.1

Tennessee
Deaths per 100,000: 0.85
Daily average deaths: 58.3

Idaho
Deaths per 100,000: 0.77
Daily average deaths: 13.7

Missouri
Deaths per 100,000: 0.75
Daily average deaths: 45.9

Oklahoma
Deaths per 100,000: 0.75
Daily average deaths: 29.6

Nevada
Deaths per 100,000: 0.74
Daily average deaths: 22.7


simple question. whatís more important, deaths in the last 7 days, or deaths since the beginning?

Who makes the baseball playoffs, the team with the best record in September? Or the team with the best record for the whole season?

Your brain just doesnít work right.

Florida is having an awful
time lately. Their total
numbers are still
way better than CT, MA, and NY, which we were told
was led by the messiah himself, the ďgold standardĒ according to biden.
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