Trump to meet with Putin
 

In less than 2 weeks the President will meet with Vladimir Putin.
There was an interesting interview on NPR with a former ambassador the other day.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/03/62562...mit-with-putin
His insight into Putin is interesting, regardless of whether you like his view of Trump.

I'm sure we'll get another round of "I asked him if Russia meddled in the election and Putin said they didn't so what do you want me to do?" :huh:

Considering Trump's remarks on Crimea and NATO I'm not sure what Trump is looking for from Putin other than keeping the pee tape locked up.

Should be quite an event, like a political version of a WWF championship bout--the Nazi vs. the Commie! The Gestapo vs. the KGB! Doesn't look good for the Nazi, considering past history. But maybe the Nazis learned something, and know what to look for this time. A new century rematch!

I do not see how this ends well.

Oh yeh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs

Maybe Trump won't be a pushover for Putin. Here's a conversation over a book by Conrad Black called "A President Like No Other.":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Epxvs76fcA

I dont have an issue with 2 super powers talking the issue is will we know what they Talked about

Considering Trump seems to be more frequently on the side of Russia than the West I'm not sure how a strong position -- even if he was capable -- benefits America.

A wanna be king meeting with a real life dictator, what could possibly go wrong?

Trump is on the side of America. And America is the most important country in the "West."

I don't know what you mean by being "on the side of."

And, probably because your sources are too limited, you may not have noticed that the "West" is having major squabbles with itself in Europe. Merkel is barely hanging on to power. Austria, Italy, and the Visegrad Four are opposing Brussels' demands on immigration. Brexit. Anti-immigration parties on the rise in the Nordic countries. And the arguments are more often heated, threatening, rather than merely civil differences of opinion.

And Trump is supposed to be polite, presidential, when ugly, slanderous depictions like this are constantly published by various fake news:

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...3&d=1530803162

I think he's on the side of Trump and has little respect or even understanding of the values that make America great. Everything with Trump is a winner or loser transaction in the moment. He shows no capacity for systems thinking let alone a sense of time.

I thing you're wrong on all points.

Trump is like the brutal soccer coach and tyrannical father figure, living vicariously through his tortured boys. Sure he knows what makes a great soccer player and in theory a great team, yet knowing these things helps him achieve neither. His MO is belittling his boys, forcing them to practice until they are sore and beat physically and more so mentally. Come game time it's screaming obscenities from the sidelines at both his boys for not staying in their lanes, the opponents and the coaches; all this does little to make great soccer players or a great team. It only makes boys that can't wait for each game and practice to end, wishing daily they were old enough to quit, so they could move on to something they enjoy and make their own decisions.

Trump's team may win a few games, but the boys, their parents and their opponents will hate them due to the way they play the game. If you feel the means justify the end, well I feel sorry for you, civility and respect are something sadly missing in this administration.

Exactly :btu: but they will insist our push back against his is just sour grapes another example of Trumps Civility and respect ..Trump suggests he would like to test Elizabeth Warren for Native American heritage, "but we have to do it gently because we're in the MeToo generation."

He'll prob. come back and say he and Putin discussed nukes and Europe will now be nuclear free. His fan boys will celebrate this great achievement.

Tiger Woods has been anything but hated. The winning U of M teams played the game as it was meant to be played and were mostly hated by their arch rival, Ohio State. And Tiger Woods loved his father and was grateful for his stern tutelage. All of Schembechler's players respected, even loved him.

And we're talking politics here. Civility, playing fair, in politics is an anomaly. The way the "game" is played in politics is dirty. If you consider the way Clinton and Obama and most any previous administration played the game was civil, then I think your notion of civility is a bit twisted--more like a big pretense and appearance of it (at times), while doing whatever it takes to win.

Get rid of the nukes and Europe won't be a threat to anyone so they'll actually be safer. You probably don't know this but most nukes are just sitting around getting old and if they get bumped, just a little bump and they'll go off killing m-i-l-l-i-o-n-s of people. It's going to save a lot of money not having to maintain stockpiles either.

You have to have a pretty good brain to put all this together which is why nobody has thought of it until Trump.

Trump sounds a lot like Earl Woods, doesn't he
Woods served two combat tours during the Vietnam War, the first as an infantry officer, and the second with the elite United States Army Special Forces.[2]

After graduating from the Defense Information School and being promoted to lieutenant colonel, he was assigned as an instructor of Military Science & Tactics, (Army ROTC) at the City College of New York. He retired from active duty in 1974.[4]
Trump sounds a lot like Bo also
"If you were around him long enough, you’d hear him tell the story about his father, who was a firefighter. Bo’s favorite tale was about his dad not accepting a stolen copy of a civil service exam. Had Bo’s dad taken it, he would have eased on to a promotion. Alas, Bo’s dad rebuffed his friend’s offer only to see himself fail the exam and his friend pass after having cheated. Bo’s dad didn’t get the promotion. His buddy did. But, it didn’t matter to Bo’s pop. He knew he did the right thing. Young Bo observed all of this … and he never forgot the lesson."

Me thinks you have your woods mixed up with your irons:)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...reer/99964020/

President Trump just praised Putin in his latest rally while mocking an ailing Bush and his points of light. I guess he wants a bigger government instead of volunteerism. Where's the Republican to stand up and say "sir have you no decency"?
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There are no real republicans left. Just fascists. :hihi:
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So when he takes a shot at Elizabeth Warren (she’s not the issue) and then makes fun of the me too movement, I suppose the media should ignore that? In a few short minutes in his latest rally he takes a shot at one of his peers (his MO), then fires a shot at our NATO allies, while saying Putin is just fine, all while making fun of the women rallying in the me too movement and the media and we should ignore that?

No shock that he just gave a Fox exec a post, even though he too was accused of inappropriate behavior; but DJT I’m sure is in good company with all those execs leaving or being let go for inappropriate behavior. Unfortunately we have nobody above him to give him his pink slip.

I guess you would agree with Trump when he says Kim is an honorable man, that he believes Putin never authorized any election meddling, that all Mexicans are rapists and gang members and the me too movement is a political ploy to get the women vote out to oust this clown. I’m also have no doubt you believe there is no global warming and the crazy weather the past few years is just a fluke.

I know you can’t stop posting to win every argument, but I’m not drinking the cool aid you and some others seem to be high on. Trump I’m certain pissed off many when cancelling all joint exercises with the South Koreans without getting anything other than what could be just another promise, can’t be any concerns with him meeting privately with Putin right🤮
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Even in jest, statements like this will help Trump get 4 more years

Agreed.
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Anyone else notice the group of 8 House Republicans who met in Russia last week only to be summarily ridiculed by state media? Must have been a productive session. I hear they did go the the ballet.
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I don't either but have you ever seen the video of all of the Republicans and Fox News folks ridiculing Obama for saying he would meet with North Korean leader without conditions. 180 degree turn from recent and shows the hypocrisy of the right.
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Does the media typically record such meetings?
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like most meeting they usually put out the agenda and talking points prior to the meeting ,, unless they say executive privilege .. then who knows

as of today Trump “I’ll talk to [Putin] about everything,” Trump said on Friday

Trump on Friday implied the U.S. could discuss recognizing Russia’s annexation of Crimea during the summit in Helsinki, thats odd

in Reality the GOP calling most on the left socialist and communist is what got trump elected ... most supporters dont know what either mean and clearly dont know what a fascists looks like or what it means

For those who need a visual representation

https://i.imgur.com/rynzTLn_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium
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" all Mexicans are rapists and gang members"

Really? he said that?

The media doesn’t but there should be an official government record of the meeting even if its not immediately made public. I’d think he should also have a translator.
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Well, I am sure these leaders value your opinion Jeff and will proceed accordingly.
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That’s my understanding of protocol.
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Wayne, there is no strong moderate Dem wing anymore. There are Progressives to Socialists, and a few remaining moderates . The more extreme of these people want to pull the Constitution apart and they are gaining influence. Yes, ugly Republicans are a better alternative to that.


Classic



This (mark it down, I am agreeing with Spence)

I think the moderate dems are all still there, they just don't have a unified face to rally around.

Sure the "third party candidate" talk gets tired but I could absolutely see a massive GOP exodus forming a legit 3rd party that many dems would jump on to if the DNC can't put up a solid candidate.

To soon to tell though. Until the investigation fallout settles nobody knows what either party may look like.

Bobby Knight would be a better example.

Yes, his mother, according to Tiger, was the enforcer of whom he said "My mom’s still here, and I’m still deathly afraid of her. She’s a very tough, tough old lady, very demanding. She was the hand, she was the one, I love her so much, but she was tough."


But his father taught him the game. He was a taskmaster, and played psychological games with Tiger to make him mentally tough.

You said "Trump is like the brutal soccer coach and tyrannical father figure, living vicariously through his tortured boys. Sure he knows what makes a great soccer player and in theory a great team, yet knowing these things helps him achieve neither." No doubt Tiger's father, like your brutal soccer coach, lived vicariously through Tiger's success. And, contrary to your notion that "all this does little to make great soccer players or a great team. It only makes boys that can't wait for each game and practice to end, wishing daily they were old enough to quit, so they could move on to something they enjoy and make their own decisions," Tiger did become great and he loved to practice and he loved his father. Actually, a biography of Tiger Woods by Benedict and Keteyian show that Tiger and his father, in some ways, especially sexual, are more like the media's portrayal of Trump rather than being upright, honorable people

Bobby Knight would be a better example of the brutal coach you conjure up. He more closely lived up to your depiction of such a coach of whom you say "His MO is belittling his boys, forcing them to practice until they are sore and beat physically and more so mentally. Come game time it's screaming obscenities from the sidelines at both his boys for not staying in their lanes, the opponents and the coaches." And yet he created winning teams and championships and was respected by most of his players.

There are many stories of children who were forced to practice an instrument against their will and who would rather do something else, but in the end, became highly successful, even great virtuosos and wound up being thankful for their parents "brutal" discipline. Some may not have eventually been thankful, but became wealthy, famous stars of their craft, a la, Michael Jackson. Various armed services and special forces go through tortuous training and come out better than they went in and respected their drill master.

But Trump doesn't actually seem to fit your brutal soccer coach mode.
His children love him and are loyal to him. They are not failures who resent the way he raised them. And many who know Trump say he is the opposite of your brutal soccer coach. And many like him and are loyal to him. And he rewards loyalty.

Of course, you probably don't believe any of that. I take the word of those who like him, are loyal to him, say he is congenial in person and not the psychopathic monster that various media portray him to be. I have no reason to think that they are lying. But you, apparently, do not believe them. And so, for you, he is that despicable being, and so you can add to the narrative and make him the "brutal coach" who is hated by his players and who does not create winners.

Sometimes, often, "brutal" coaching is not as brutal or rotten as you depict it and can actually achieve winners, champions, better people . . . success.

But, the context as Spence would call it, is different when comparing Trump with a brutal coach. Politics (not statesmanship) is a dirty game. In politics it is the nature of the game to play dirty. In politics, the dirtiest player does not necessarily finish last. Nor does the least dirtiest player necessarily finish first. But most all of them play dirty. And always have.

I can understand why you wouldn't want to drink the aid if its temperature is not to your preference. But, though I understand it, I don't care.

Koolaid is a historical reference to a 1978 incident in Jonestown, Guyana where 900 people, mostly members of a religious cult died after drinking Koolaid laced with cyanide and other drugs.