North Carolina has a strong economy becasue they don't pay their workers squat. Where is the growth? The RTP (Research Traingle Park) area. in other parts of the state the situation is grave. Besides, is the 18.5% any different from any other oceanfront state? Additionally, how many of those people are government retirees moving there becasue their pensions are not taxed? As far as being terrible there, it is. Ask anyone in Caswell or Dare County. There are no jobs.
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I think he's a lunatic. I suspect he fishes with as much passion as he writes on this board. :) NC is one of four states that does not tax federal retirements. Much of the growth in that state has been retirees moving there so they can experience reduced taxes. As far as wages, outside of RTP workers do not make much. Look at the jobs that are offered on Monster and compare the salaries. Anyway, you focused on one minute point rather than discuss the value (if you can call it that) that unions bring to a region. Don't get me wrong. I am not defending them. Merely pointing out how the economy changes as a result of their actions, often to the good of the citizens who are not represented (also often to the detriment especially when the jobs go offshore as in textiles). Also, as a 14th generation dutchman who can trace his lineage to the 1640's in the Hudson Valley (and who also grew up just a stone's throw from Lancaster County) if you want to know about the "Penn's Woods Germans" I'd be happy to discuss. I agree that the history lesson is at best amusing. |
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Bluest states also most in debt, highly unionized and solidly Democrat (But that's all coincidental, right?)
By: Mark Tapscott 02/28/10 4:00 AM Editorial Page Editor Follow Him @mtapscott .Forbes magazine has completed a comprehensive look at "The Global Debt Bomb" and in the course of compiling the results found this very interesting tidbit: "The five states in the worst financial condition--Illinois, New York, Connecticut, California and New Jersey--are all among the bluest of blue states. The five most fiscally fit states are more of a mix. Three--Utah, Nebraska and Texas--boast Republican majorities and two--New Hampshire and Virginia--skew Democratic." But wait, it's actually more serious than that when you look at the 10 states in the worst financial condition, according to Forbes: "Of the 10 states in the worst financial condition, eight are among a total of 23 defined by Gallup as "solidly Democratic," meaning the Democrats enjoy an advantage of 10 percentage points or greater in party affiliation. These states include the ones listed above as making up the bottom five, plus Massachusetts, Ohio and Wisconsin. "Of the three other basement-dwellers, Kentucky is defined as "leaning Democratic" (a five- to 10-percentage-point Democratic advantage) and the remaining two--Louisiana and Mississippi--are termed politically "Competitive" (less than a five-percentage-point advantage for either party). Louisiana tilts slightly Democratic and Mississippi slightly Republican." Forbes quotes an Illinois political science professor who explains why these rankings turn out as they do: "Why do Democratic states appear to be struggling more than Republican ones? It comes down to stronger unions and a larger appetite for public programs, according to Kent Redfield, professor emeritus of political studies and public affairs at the University of Illinois' Center for State Policy and Leadership. "'Unions in general have more influence in Democratic-controlled states,' he says. 'This isn't to say that unions are bad, but where they're strong you have bigger demands for social services and coalitions with construction companies, road builders and others that push up debt.'" Read more at the Washington Examiner: Bluest states also most in debt, highly unionized and solidly Democrat (But that's all coincidental, right?) | Mark Tapscott | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner |
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Zimmy stated: our country's 400 yr history. - makes no sense. plenty of evidence above Jamestown was founded on "principles" - nope, business venture. Zim as agreed after 20 posts. The Pennsylvania Dutch came here for religious freedom - nope, thats like saying the massachusetts indians. No one was in another country and called themselves that. If he said dutch, germans or whatever, then it would make sense. |
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Read my entire post. I'm not trying ot defend unions. I'm merely stating how they have changed economies...both good and bad. I can't argue that they have gone overboard in many states and companies. I can argue that in the states where unions had strongholds (meaning contracts) the prevailing wage was higher--for good or bad. I say good or bad becasue sometimes having a higher wage is bad. An example is my state where they seem to not want any business base and to make that point they keep taxing us as if the last one just left. |
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"Again, all these issues are really complex. Also, based on policies, Reagan would be a democrat today, not tea party. "ZIMMY don't stay away Zimmy, you and Jimmy have developed some real chemistry... |
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UNIONS THREATEN BUSINESS
By Charlie Sykes Mar 10, 2011 March 10, 2011 Mr. Tom Ellis, President Marshall & Ilsley Corporation 770 N. Water Street Milwaukee, WI 53202 SENT VIA FASCIMILE AND REGULAR MAIL Dear Mr. Ellis: As you undoubtedly know, Governor Walker recently proposed a “budget adjustment bill” to eviscerate public employees’ right to collectively bargain in Wisconsin. .. As you also know, Scott Walker did not campaign on this issue when he ran for office. If he had, we are confident that you would not be listed among his largest contributors. As such, we are contacting you now to request your support. The undersigned groups would like your company to publicly oppose Governor Walker’s efforts to virtually eliminate collective bargaining for public employees in Wisconsin. While we appreciate that you may need some time to consider this request, we ask for your response by March 17. In the event that you do not respond to this request by that date, we will assume that you stand with Governor Walker and against the teachers, nurses, police officers, fire fighters, and other dedicated public employees who serve our communities. In the event that you cannot support this effort to save collective bargaining, please be advised that the undersigned will publicly and formally boycott the goods and services provided by your company. However, if you join us, we will do everything in our power to publicly celebrate your partnership in the fight to preserve the right of public employees to be heard at the bargaining table. Wisconsin’s public employee unions serve to protect and promote equality and fairness in the workplace. We hope you will stand with us and publicly share that ideal. In the event you would like to discuss this matter further, please contact the executive Director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, Jim Palmer, at 608.273.3840. Thank you in advance for your consideration. We look forward to hearing from you soon. James L. Palmer, Executive Director Wisconsin Professional Police Association Mahlon Mitchell,President Professional Professional Fire Fighters Jim Conway, President International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311 John Matthews, Execuctive Director Madison Teachers, Inc. Keith Patt, Executive Director Green Bay Education Association Bob Richardson, President Dane County Deputy Sheriffs Association Dan Frei, Prersident Madison Professional Police Officers Association |
Police and Fire are excluded. Why would they sign on the letter? Where is the original with signatures to give some credibility to the letter?
I never said tehy "lifted the boat." I said they caused change. Not all unions are large evil McDonald type conglomerates that you portait. Many work closely with their management to find solutions to economic problems and even take concessions when times are tough. Its easy to put everyone in one basket so you can hate them. That seems to be the christian thing to do--then we can crucify the infidels or burn them at the stake. |
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Zimmy, I think you're missing the point about Reagan. His personal philosophy certainly wouldn't have allowed him to "call" himself a Democrat. That being said, as you've noted Reagan's actual behavior was quite different from the image most people have. He had no problem raising taxes, running from a fight, increasing the size of government and our national debt, working deals with our enemies and on and on... Oddly enough, Reagan seems to be the most significant figure aspiring Republican candidates want to emulate. He did tell a great story and make us feel good though... -spence |
apparently Spence has at least one neighbor in bizarro world :uhuh:
JHWB...JWB...??? never mind..I Googled it..."Just Handshakes We're British"...still confused ......but OK...you are the smart one:alien: |
Hooked on Phonics...
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Economic Growth Potential 1. South Carolina 2. Tennessee 3. Virginia 4. North Carolina 5. Texas 6. Arizona Best Business Climate 1. Texas 2. Virginia 3. Utah 4. South Carolina 5. Tennessee 6. North Carolina Workforce Training Leaders 1. Louisiana 2. Georgia 3. New Mexico 4. Florida 5. North Carolina probably as a result of all of those retirees moving there for tax reasons :) those southern states are a disaster 10/15/10 - North Carolina ranked 3rd by Forbes for Best States for Business Gov. Bev Perdue on Oct. 14 announced Forbes magazine is ranking North Carolina as the 3rd Best State for Business in America. North Carolina improved from last year’s Forbes ranking of fifth. In addition, the Governor announced that recent statistics from the Federal Bureau of Labor and Statistics show North Carolina is the 3rd best state for declining unemployment and 4th in the nation for job creation. In the Forbes rankings, North Carolina scored third in Business Costs and Regulatory Environment and ninth in Growth Prospect. Forbes scored the states on six measures including business cost, labor supply, regulatory environment, economic climate, growth prospect and quality of life. let's see...North Carolina...or Michigan, RI...etc...? |
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Secondly, you fail to address the point that not all unions are bad. Nowhere did I try and defend the union activists any more than I tried to defend the governor. My personal opinion is that both sides are so polarized it really does not matter what anyone thinks. Third, you keep throwing stats on North Carolina that show it has business potential. Why would I argue that. If you allow businesses to run rampant over their employees and give them lots of tax breaks of course it will look as though it is a great place to go as a business. I didn't see a stat that showed it was a leader in job development (just potential). Your turn to continue gathering the lions...:) |
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this is getting boring....reading is fundamental |
Yep, You aren't changing my opinion and I'm not changing yours. Time to move on... See ya..
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