China
 

Michael Krepon, cofounder of the Washington-based Henry L. Stimson Center, a private group that studies national security, called the Chinese test very un-Chinese.

“There’s nothing subtle about this,” he said. “They’ve created a huge debris cloud that will last a quarter century or more. It’s at a higher elevation than the test we did in 1985, and for that one the last trackable debris took 17 years to clear out.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/18/wo...gewanted=print

I am very soon going to start buying only products made in the USA for everything I do no matter what the cost. Eff these doods I have had enough seeing this stuff.

Glad you picked up on that
 

I was gonna post it too,,,because i think it's

extremely signifigant...

i read about this one huge american job

a bridge or something on that scale...

and we were importing the steel from them

having it go by ship to America... WTF :huh:

unreal...

I'm making a more conscious effort to buy more American and less Chinese whenever possible. THough when stuck with the foreign I will try to go Japan, Korea, Taiwan ROC before the Red guys to the north...

China is doing some concerning work militarily, accelerated for the past decade. Compain about how cheap goods are because of low cost Chinese manufacturing. Apply that same rule to military procurment being cheap(er) for them and they develop, buy, or steal what they can on the engineering side..

OK - off my Anti-China soap box for a while

THIS has some VERY serious implications...

China anti-satellite test sparks space junk outcry

Jan 19 6:16 AM US/Eastern





China's test of an anti-satellite weapon has sparked concerns that the trial had caused dangerous debris to scatter into orbit, potentially threatening commercial and military satellites of other nations.

The website space.com, quoting sources that it did not identify, said the January 1 strike against the old Chinese weather satellite had caused it to smash up into "hundreds of pieces, fluttering through low Earth orbit."

"The mess of space junk does put other satellites, including the International Space Station, at some risk," space.com's Leonard David said, adding though that the chances of a strike were "very small."

The main repercussion of the Chinese test has been fears of an arms race in space -- but debris is another big source of concern.

The space age reaches 50 years on October 4 this year -- the anniversary of the launch of the Soviet satellite Sputnik -- and there are hundreds of thousands of pieces whirling in orbit, the result mainly of exploded rocket stages and broken-up satellites.

David Wright, co-director of the Global Security Programme at the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS), a US private advocacy group, said the satellite that was destroyed had a mass of 750 kilogrammes (1,650 pounds) and was orbiting at an altitude of 850 kilometers (520 miles).

Many commercial, military and navigational satellites orbit in the region of 900 kilometers (560 miles), he said. The maximum altitude of the International Space Station is around 450 kilometers (280 miles).

"The collision would be expected to completely fragment the satellite into millions of pieces of debris -- nearly 800 debris fragments of size 10 centimeters (four inches) or larger, nearly 40,000 debris fragments with size between one and 10 centimeters (half to four inches) and some two million fragments of size one millimeter (0.04 inch) or larger," said Wright.

"At the very high speeds these debris particles would have, particles as small as one millimeter (0.04 inch) can be very destructive."

Most satellites do not carry sufficient shielding for even tiny particles like this, and in any case shielding is ineffective against any debris larger than about one centimetre (half an inch) in size," said Wright in a statement.

The orbital region "is very heavily used by satellites for both civil and military uses, which are threatened by the added debris," he warned

Among those who voiced fears was Australia, which said on Friday that, in addition to worries about the militarisation of space, "we're concerned about the impact that debris from destroyed satellites could have on other satellites, which are very expensive pieces of equipment."

The danger from debris comes from the enormous speeds at which they travel, which means even very small pieces impact with high energy.

me chinese

me incite

me brew up a saterrite

weewee you vewy funny geye :D

oops, is this the poriticar folum?

clap. :scream2:

Yea I figured this was pretty political

This should go in the conservation forum...These people have no total regard for this environment or what they do to other people and the effects of what they do. Someday your going to wake up and like the Dodge Nitro commercial something is going to come out of the ground next to your house but it ain't gonna be a truck. It'll probably be some nasty bacterioacid waste from China.

Wait til one of these 100,000 pieces of debris hits a $2billion dollar satellite. 1cm would blow one of these things up like a bomb at 1000 mph.

WTF

am I doing in here ??????

30 Years ago /when I had a real job / one of which was working in inventory accounting >.... which you had to keep a overall view on the inventory of the braches & what was being stocked // I had to actually catalog & assign a parts number for any new items ;;;
they had 36 branches in the Us / 11 in Canada & I can,t remember how many plants // somethings like 6 in the us / 3 in Canada & one overseas .................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I could see it happening /especially in our west cost branches // they were buying the same products we were making but for alot less money // everything from nuts & bolts to heavy steel ;;;
F$%^&*( nitwits were purchasing themselves right out og business .......... But to be competitive thay had toooooooooooo:whackin:


That being said ..........>>>>>>>>> I,m on my forth Toyota truck/ 3rd Tacoma >>>>>>>>> never mind the difference in price // I havn,t seen a truck that can touch these // JMO :read:

Peace

yea right

EFF China

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...556823,00.html

27000 or not, buckle up Jim, I know you love to point at the market, trade war is heating up again.
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What a great president we have.
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A spokesperson for the Chinese Ministry of Commerce says Chinese companies have stopped purchasing U.S. agricultural products in response to President Trump's new 10% tariffs on $300 billion of Chinese goods.
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U.S. farmers need to find another country that can purchase $5.9B worth of agriculture products.
$5.9BILLION
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I expect the Next Trump Socialist Bailout Executive Order is getting written right now.
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what does chinese theft of american intellectual property cost us each year? Pete, when you evaluate something, do you only look at the cost? or do you compare the cost with the benefit?
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Just what do you think the cost to us and the rest of the world will be since the stable genius decided to go it alone on this, a true leader would have organized it with our allies.

He is incapable of political negotiation.
If you don't have an apparent Win/Win in diplomacy, you can accomplish nothing, as Trump proves.

He has no agreement, NONE. But he will come up with another threat and weaken his position further.

The Chinese just put a shot across our bow with the devaluation of the yuan, they will do more if he keeps playing his typical bully role.

Here is the result of America First (ALONE) to date

We pay tariffs, Trump's claim that China pays is a LIE
We don't ship AG products and have no equivalent markets
Russia and the rest of the world gain new markets for ag products in China and elsewhere
Manufacturers are realigning their supply chains, in some cases to eliminate dependence on the US.
Putin and Xi JinPing welcome the shift in the world order brought on by Trump.

Meanwhile Chinese sources say Departments in China to start “decoupling” from the reliance on the US. The Chinese want to get items they need from other sources or make them in China. This is a step up in the trade tensions.

From Bloomberg yesterday
China’s leaders took a while to realize what close observers of Donald Trump have long known: The U.S. president is a terrible negotiator. Global investors seem to be catching on as well. Stocks plunged on Monday as investors weighed the consequences of an escalating conflict over trade.

Trump has said that the U.S. will impose a 10% tariff on an additional $300 billion worth of Chinese goods on Sept. 1, unless China starts acceding to his demands. If he follows through, the president will have levied tariffs on virtually all imports from China, including toys, smartphones and other consumer goods that had previously been spared. China has promised to retaliate if the new measures go forward. The government reportedly told state-owned enterprises to suspend imports of U.S. agricultural products and on Monday allowed the yuan to weaken below 7 to the dollar for the first time in more than a decade.

Trump’s logic is simple, albeit wrong. He thinks that China, which had agreed to continue talks in Washington next month, is playing for time; he’s particularly irked that it hasn’t put in the big agricultural orders President Xi Jinping supposedly promised when the two met in June. The new tariffs help Trump look tough as he hits the 2020 campaign trail while imposing further pain on China’s limping economy. Any hit to U.S. output will presumably encourage the Federal Reserve to cut rates further — something Trump has been urging for months.

Yet the new levies are no more likely to produce the deal Trump seeks than his previous rounds. The cost of tariffs is paid by U.S. consumers and businesses, not China (and that’s not counting the billions in compensation the government has had to shell out to farmers hurt by Chinese retaliation). U.S. manufacturers have been forced to realign their supply chains and are struggling to secure crucial inputs. Meanwhile, any jobs leaving China are moving to low-wage countries such as Vietnam, not back to the U.S.

Trade tensions have dented China’s growth, but they aren’t the main reason for its recent slowdown. China’s leaders, moreover, have ways to prop up output and employment. They appear to have calculated the costs of additional tariffs and found them preferable to compromising on policies they see as fundamental to their economic model. They’re also figuring that they can bear the domestic political costs better than Trump, who is acutely sensitive to both rural voters and gyrations in the stock market.

Finally, the way Trump imposed the latest tariffs confirms Chinese officials’ greatest fear about striking a deal: They think he’s incapable of sticking to it. Trump acted just after trade talks in Shanghai had ended relatively amicably, and apparently against the advice of his top advisers.

The U.S. has legitimate complaints about China’s economic behavior. Beijing should be helped to spin concessions on those issues as being in China’s interest — as many, in fact, would be. If the U.S. had concentrated on making Chinese pledges as airtight as possible, the two sides might’ve made some real progress. Issuing unrealistic demands and painting any prospective compromise as a Chinese surrender will only stiffen resistance.

That’s not all. Over the past year, the U.S. should have been building leverage by enlisting allies and working through the World Trade Organization. Instead, the Trump administration has postured, picked needless fights with friends, and undermined global institutions.

Striking a deal won’t get any easier as the U.S. enters full campaign mode. And additional interest-rate cuts won’t avoid the economic damage being done. Trump has backed himself into a corner, and the U.S. will pay the price.

Thank goodness we have a great leader
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As one of S-Bs finest comedians, I'm assuming you are once again being facetious.

As one of S-B preeminent fable tellers I assume the same of you.
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Nothing would make me happier than to have my opinions be fables, I fear that it is not so, unfortunately.

He's getting more policy based on conspiracy theories delivered from Fox this am and twittering it out to the world.

He thinks it is a far better source than the PDBs prepared for him by his administration. SAD

pete they’ve been beating us in a trade war, and shamelessly stealing intellectual property, since the early 1990s. should he do nothing, as clinton/bush/obama did?
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Nowhere did I say nothing should be done.

What I think is that Trump is incapable of accomplishing anything of any import on the diplomatic front, whether it be trade, WMD or promotion of respect for human rights. The latter he has only eroded.

Over the past year, the U.S. should have been building leverage by enlisting allies and working through the World Trade Organization. Instead, the Trump administration has postured, picked needless fights with friends, and undermined global institutions.

Keep crying wolf
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Nobody is listening anymore
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So claims:drevil:

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