republican convention...
 

I'm moving to new zealand :laughs:

don't sheep out number people there.....

:) That's a good place for a democrat!!!!

There must be allot of them there with high inflation!!!

There dollar is worth less then canadian!!!!

High taxes!!!!

And Levi dungarees are $150.00 apair!!!!!

With all that it must be a democratic country!!!!

The one good thing about New Zealand is that it is very scenic!!!!


":D FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!" :happy: :happy:

W 04:D

:smash: smoke and mirrors...... hes got you all fooled. He's screwing the enviroment... he's screwing the lowerclass.... it goes without saying that he's screwing with the constitution... He's gonna win though... his buddies down in florida with their rigged electronic voting machines will make shure of that.

I think Bush will win Florida and probably by a wider margin than most would predict. I was just in the Sunshine State and did a lot of driving between Naples and Tampa.

Not a Kerry sign, sticker or nothing to be found. Just a hunch....

and secondly... why do you guys like bush so much???? I dont get it, but then agian i'm young, (30) and an artist by trade. What is it about bush that has everyone so in love??? is it a church thing??

For sure the bible beaters don't want a gay couple to form a strong family bond and get benefits for their adopted child, or for a pregnant woman with a braindead fetus to be able to safely and legally address the issue.

That would just be wrong Eben and you know it :rolleyes:

For those more open minded types they must just be overlooking the obvious...

-Botching Iraq (the UN process, WMDs, troop strength, not equiping the troops, no peace plan) hell they pretty much screwed up everything but the bombing part.

-Painfully slow to adopt homeland security measures. How long was it that the entire dept was underfunded? What percentage of our ports are still not secure? Like 95%.

-Isolating the USA in the International community.

-Pissing off most of the world, and increasing the ability of al Qaida to recruit new members.

-No plan to address the health care crisis.

-A Medicare Drug Plan that provides little help to seniors and pads the pockets of the drug companies.

-An environmental policy that puts more mercury, carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide into my Son's lungs so the Energy industry can make more profit.

-Refusal to aggressively adopt alternative energy measures while oil is at 45 dollars a barrel.

-Tax cuts for the richest Americans while we have to borrow on credit to fund our troops.

-Largest defecit in history.

-Hasn't vetoed a single bill, huge growth in govt spending is completely out of control.

Jesus Eben, I could go on for an hour like this. And this is off the top of my freakin head :af:

If this is what it means to be a Republican then I gladly revoke my Republican registration.

-spence

How has Bush made it easier for Al Qaeda to recruit new members?

Some will hate us regardless, I understand that. I also understand we have killed a lot of al Qaida leadership, which is a good thing.

But the manner in which we chose to remove Saddam has, in most Muslim's eys, confirmed just about every negative stereotype about the US.

Don't think about what you know, think about how our actions are reported around the world. Botching WMD, Abu Graib, abandoning the UN etc... has done great damage to our credibility and poured gasoline on the fire of hate.

Not wise leadership :wall: if we are going to kill tens of thousands in a pre-emptive war, we need to do much, much better.

-spence

In my experience, most Muslims, especially Arab Muslims agree with our ousting of Saddam Hussein. Most of them only understand force, not diplomacy. Many, if not most of them would like us to now leave Iraq, but unfortunately they are not ready to work together in building and defending the new Iraq.

The real tragedy of Abu Ghraib is it has allowed the critics of the United States to drag the name of our Armed Forces through the dirt. But for every atrocity that was committed in Abu Ghraib, there are countless examples of professionalism, compassion, and mercy displayed by our military in the streets and back alleys of Iraq and the hills of Afghanistan every day.

I think I said as much above, it's not the ousting of Saddam but rather the manner in which we did it.

Our troops are top notch, but something like Abu Graib shouldn't happen in our military. Not today...It's a complete failure of leadership and it cost us a lot of credibility.

-spence

Well I know who i'm voting for.....

Nader :laughs:

oh my god that was a painful couple of hours.....
I think I'll go read "Mine Kamph"

Wow, night 3 of the RNC convention is a serious hatefest. Victory by personal attack, you Bush supporters must be proud :barf:

absolutely no mention of the serious agendas besides 'the war on terrorism'

this whole war on terrorisim is getting old in my book... kind of like the 'war on drugs' boy we shure won that one.... right spence :hihi:

I feel like I just had a apple pie enema :scream:

and secondly... why do you guys like bush so much???? I dont get it, but then agian i'm young, (30) and an artist by trade. What is it about bush that has everyone so in love??? is it a church thing??


I totally do not fit the mold of what people think a Bush supportor would be. Im young (24) and a blue collar worker from Massachusetts and it just amazes me how so many people my age and in my field have NO clue about anything thats going on in the world...they assume that everything they read and hear on the radio or watch on TV must be true. Half the guys i work with get there political news from those guys on 94 hjy in the afternoon and they think whatever they say is fact. It really makes me sad knowing people can be easly brain washed by liberal talking points and by some blowhard spewing an opionion with NO facts to back it up. If most people educated themselves and knew some facts about issues and used some common sense i am totally convinced Bush would win by a landside in Nov. But some people just Assume republicans are for the rich folks and the Dems are for the blue collor workers like myself....what a bunch of crap! Dems like to promise people jobs better wages and such....I dont want government giving me #^&#^&#^&#^&!....show some friggen pride and educate yourself to make more money and a get a better job, Kerry aint going to get you a job people.....only YOU are going to make yourself successful in this world...you wanna sit around and wait for somoene to hand you a good job/ better wages? You are going to waiting a long time you losers! Like all those freeks protesting on NY this week...you see these people!! what a bunch of low lifes they looked liked...no wonder they all support Kerry...they want everything handed to them so they dont have to work.

Skip, you seem like a good guy. Stick with me and I won't steer you wrong :humpty:

Kerry doesn't want to give you a job. That's a bunch of right-wing radio BS. And the protestors are largely people who are far left or don't believe in either party. Are they for Kerry? Most probably are, but I've seen plenty of low-lifes protesting abortion clinics that are all for Bush for certain.

I'm a registered Republican that's embarrased to say I used to be with the party I saw tonight. I wouldn't be supporting Kerry if I thought he wouldn't defend the country or if he was a socialist.

-spence

Kerry doesn't want to give you a job. That's a bunch of right-wing radio BS. And the protestors are largely people who are far left or don't believe in either party. Are they for Kerry? Most probably are, but I've seen plenty of low-lifes protesting abortion clinics that are all for Bush for certain.

Ill agree with you on the protesters not being the mainstream Dems. There was a poll done and i think like 40% off them defined themselves as socialists. Thats kinda creepy!:eek: And yes the abortion clinic protesters are wacked also. Im pretty tilted to the right but not that far!:D

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I'd like to know how some of you republicans feel about the whole Swift Boat thing, because technically it trashes on half the armed forces.

Lets look at it this way, say you're in Nam, snag some shrapnel you barely notice (well... you notice it you bleed and it burns like hell) but it dosen't stop you from duty... You get a purple heart.

You're playing basketball on hill blahblahblah, you break your ankle, you get a purple heart.

You go running through the bush and smash your nose and bleed all over yourself, you get a purple heart.

None of those purple hearts count because the swift boat vets say that Kerry's are invalid because they were "minor injuries".

Sure their bull rhetoric may thrill the stupid, but I'd hope some people would think before beleiving their crap.

Also, first night of the RNC, ripoff of the Saturday Night Live theme, and nobody cheered. :laughs:

Zell Miller- I love this guy :)......

A question for you Dems, do any of you actually like your candidate, or do you just hate Bush?

You know, cutting off someone's head is prisoner abuse. Abu Graib shouldn't happen, I agree. It's a failure of some Colonel who failed to exercise command, not the president. I'm aggravated because they are courts martialing E-4's but not the Colonel. But really drop it, we didn't cut anybody's head off.

You talk allot about Bush making the rest of the world angry and how he went about it the wrong way. How about all those UN Security counsel resolutions that were disobeyed by Iraq. For the record, the French didn't want us taking over Iraq, that's about it. The rest of the world was over there, helping us. Yea, we took charge of the situation, we didn't waffle at all.

Perception of morality has an impact for me. To claim to be catholic, then agree that same sex couples should wed, and abortion is okay is downright hypocritical. Last democratic president we had was having sex in the oval office, remember that?

Remember that drug plan for seniors?, research who's bill that was. The economy, research that recession that Clinton started. You know those oil prices, enter reality, research gas prices in Great Britain. Also, research how many times the Clinton administration could have taken out Bin Laden, but passed. OBL might not be caught yet, but he doesn't have his own country anymore.

You know, I've been in the military for 22 years. Kerry has never supported the military, ever. He served, but never supported, always voted against bills that strengthen defense. But I should vote for him to be the commander and chief? Not a chance.

Hey Navy Chief

SK1 here, served onboard the USS Goldsborough DDG out of Hawaii for 4-years then the Sub-base for 3 more :). I wish I would have stayed in.

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It's not as much fun as it used to be.

Well said Navy Chief!
 

From one soldier to a sailor, thanks!

B Co. 1st Bn. 14th Infantry, 25th Infantry Division

Not the point Chief. We removed Saddam calling him a tyrant then replced his torture with some of our own in the very same prison. This isn't a tit for tat argument that their torture is worse than our torture.

The issue isn't what happened even as much but how it was dealt with. The world is looking for a little humility in our response, nothing more. Instead the pentagon blamed the individual, the investigation proved otherwise but the damage was already done.

Why should the French want to help when our leadership is mocking them as "old Europe". When you want something from someone do you call them a name? I though most of us learned these life lessons in 3rd grade.

And by the "rest of the world" I assume you mean England where most of the people where violently against what Tony Blair was doing. To be fair I'll include Australia, even though most of that country was against what we were doing they did supply a few people.

After that the list drops down to Belieze, Uzbekistan, Lower Antigua etc... This was no coalition.

Pardon me, but I didn't know Clinton was running this year.

There's personal morality, and there's society. We do not live in a Catholic society. To impose one's personal religous views on people is what I would expect out of Iran, not Washington.

The Republicans removed all components of the Bill that would encourage competition.

I'm having a really difficult time understanding this, please help me.

How is a drug plan that stifles competition and increases government subsidies, in any way shape of form fiscally conservative?

Regarding Bin Laden. Bush was toting the same apathetic line until 9/11. I suppose it was only a wake up call for the Republicans right?

And to be frank Chief I really appreciate your working to keep my family safe. But the reality is your distorted perceptions of Kerry's defense record are not rooted in facts. Read this ->Bush group repeats misleading attacks on Kerry's defense record

The claims made by the Bush camp are lies and distortions.

I'm not arguing for the sake of it, I just want to make sure you guys are supporting Bush for the right reasons. I've looked very hard and I'm hard pressed to find many.

-spence

I love the RNC, the city's empty :)

Five surgeons are discussing who the best
patients to operate on are.

The first surgeon says, "I like to see
accountants on my operating table because when you
open them up, everything inside is numbered."

The second responds, "Yeah, but you should try
electricians! Everything inside them is color coded."

The third surgeon says, "No, I really think
librarians are the best; everything inside them is
in alphabetical order."

The fourth surgeon chimes in, "You know, I
like construction workers.Those guys always
understand when you have a few
parts left over at the end, and when the job
takes longer than you said it would."

But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he
observed: "You're all wrong. Democrats are the
easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart,
no balls, no brains and no spine, and the head and
the ass are interchangeable