RI Licensing Issues...
 

OK - we all know just how wonderfull this topic is, here are some links to what's being tossed about. Now the last meeting only had a couple of us there (Me and Fishpart) but it turns out that we went to the wrong meeting as the correct one was the day before (I love getting info second hand :eek: ) but it was my fault for not double checking - sorry about that Fishpart. Kinda wierd how they only covered the Rec issue for about 5 minutes, right? That was because the day before they focused on the rec issue....

OK - here is a link to the DEM site: http://www.ci.uri.edu/Projects/rifish/default.html

and to the Rec SW License: http://www.ci.uri.edu/Projects/rifis...creational.htm

I recommend people get a good look at it before REALLY making up minds... I'm going to make a few hours for this and try to take an unhurried look (my biggest problem)

Questions
 

Sent these questions.....let's see what the answers be.

"In the breakdowns of state license structures, the last item is "Supported by Recreational Community"
Does this mean, endorsed by Rec's, or paid for by Rec's?
Or both?
Will the receipts from the license go completely to the Saltwater fishing interests(Programs, enforcement, administration)?
Or to the General fund?"

Responses
 

From :
"Tim Lynch" <tlynch@dem.state.ri.us>

To :
"OX XO" <oxxo77@hotmail.com>

CC :
"dennis erkan" <derkan@dem.state.ri.us>

Subject :
Re: Saltwater license questions

Date :
Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:46:31 -0500

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Mr. Larmey,
Thank you for your e-mail.
To the best of my knowledge, the answer is BOTH. In the case of Florida, while there is no 100% guarantee of where the license revenues go, there is a watchdog type committee that provides some form of security of those revenues. As I was told, this group acts as a reminder to the legislators that any abuses of these funds, for unrelated use, may have serious implications come re-election time.
As to the other states, I have forwarded your question to Dennis Erkan of our staff. He may be able to provide additional information. However, I am sure that if there is not a 100% guaranteed lock box for those other states, the response would be similar to that of Florida.
Hope this helps.
Tim Lynch
-----Original Message-----
From: OX XO <oxxo77@hotmail.com>
To: tlynch@dem.state.ri.us <tlynch@dem.state.ri.us>
Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:36 PM
Subject: Saltwater license questions


In the breakdowns of state license structures, the last item is "Supported by Recreational Community"
Does this mean, endorsed by Rec's, or paid for by Rec's?
Or both?
Will the receipts from the license go completely to the Saltwater fishing interests(Programs, enforcement, administration)?
Or to the General fund?

R W Larmey

oxxo77@hotmail.com

Responses
 

From :
Dennis Erkan <derkan@dem.state.ri.us>

To :
R W Larmey <oxxo77@hotmail.com>

CC :
tlynch@dem.state.ri.us, mgibson@dem.state.ri.us, jrb@ids.net

Subject :
Reply - Saltwater license questions

Date :
Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:08:55 -0500

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R. W. Larmey,

I assume from your questions that you have a copy of the document, "Protected and Unprotected License Receipt Accounts in States with Marine Recreational Licenses" (if not I can forward it to you).

Q. In the breakdowns of state license structures, the last item is "Supported by Recreational Community"
Does this mean, endorsed by Rec's, or paid for by Rec's?
Or both?

A. Tim Lynch is correct - The answer is both, but the intent of the question was to determine if there is significant opposition to the license fees and are people generally happy with programs and services available. When contacting the individuals named in the report, the question was asked about the recreational community's position on the licensing and programs funded by the receipts. While I'm sure that most of the "recreational community" in the states we contacted would like to have the same programs without the corresponding license fees, the "Contacts" stated that the recreation community is supportive of work conducted in their respective states. States with totally protected accounts (Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, California, and Oregon), are able to offer substantial programs and services.
The "Protected and Unprotected License Receipt Accounts in States with Marine Recreational Licenses" document is available at this address:
http://www.ci.uri.edu/Projects/rifis...e_Accounts.htm

Q. Will the receipts from the license go completely to the Saltwater fishing interests (Programs, enforcement, administration)? Or to the General fund?

If your question is about Rhode Island: If a marine recreational license were established, the Department (DEM) would want a restricted receipt account to address concerns by the recreational community and directly fund and expand marine recreational programs. A list of potential recreational program improvements is included in the attached document (from main document available at recreational subcommittee meetings.
See also:
http://www.ci.uri.edu/Projects/rifis..._Licensing.htm

If your question is about other states: License receipts in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, California, and Oregon go directly to recreational fishing programs. Generally the funds are split between freshwater and marine recreational programs.

The Marine Licensing Subcommittee is meeting regularly to determine the feasibility of implementing a Marine Recreational License. All meetings open to the public. Next meeting December 13, 6:30 - 8:30 PM, in the Hazard Conference Room, URI Coastal Institute.

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Dennis E. Erkan, Principal Marine Biologist
Department of Environmental Management
Division of Fish and Wildlife
Coastal Fisheries Laboratory
1231 Succotash Road
Wakefield, RI 02879
Tel: (401) 783-2304
Fax: (401) 783-2760
http://www.state.ri.us/dem/

Nice work Ox. Thanks for the links too. Now even more reading ;) :D

While I don't think I'm in favor of a license, certainly without meeting some specific criteria, this may be much more of an honest effort than a grab as I first thought. I really think we need to see all of the facts first....

John

Some more info regarding the RI SW License (against the license this time):

http://www.ci.uri.edu/Projects/rifis...AA_license.pdf

Hopefully DZ or someone else can confirm this but the http://www.ci.uri.edu/ website shows this Thursday December 13th, as the next meeting for a Rhody Rec License... Anyone else plan to attend?

The meeting is on Thursday 12/13 starting at 6:30 pm. Hope to see many of you there.
DZ

DZ, see you there....

Ox Nice Job . a voice is a powerful tool !

It seems to me that no matter what they say now or later . They are still going to screw us the recs and its going to cost us a ton . Politicians and liars ! liars and politicians ! seems to be the same animal . And once RI passes this then Ct and Mass will be right behind !

"READ MY LIPS NO NEW TAXES" !!!!!!

Next election vote "None of the above " !

Carry on !

Just a reminder
 

Just a reminder....

Tonight
13 December, 6:30 - 8:30 PM Hazard Conference Room, Coastal Institute, URI Bay Campus, Narragansett, RI

:( can't make it...................

So how did it go?

Went OK (considering I'm on the fence on this issue). I posted in another thread my thoughts on it and where it stands. It looks like it will probably happen but it doesn't look like evil management as I was first led to believe. IF (sorta big IF) it's done correctly, it could be a good thing... The people appear to be trying hard to do the right thing...