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Canalman 11-22-2006 03:45 PM

Plug color importance?
 
I’m interested to know what people’s take on plug color is. Being a builder I love to go crazy making super detailed colors that take 12 different colors, all custom mixed, but then when I actually go out to throw plugs I tend to lean on just a few colors. Dave and I are looking at redoing our color lineup and wondering what you guys consider important. It’s obviously important to have your White, White/Pink, Yellow/White, Blurple. And I like to use Bunker and Herring Patterns. Is it better to have ones that resemble every baitfish in the world? Is it important to have a few variations of the staple baits, like a Silvery Bunker, a Greenish Bunker, A Yellowish Bunker etc. I like the latter better, what do you guys think and which colors/bait patterns are a must? I’m bored here at my real job :eek: give me something to ponder.

-Dave

tattoobob 11-22-2006 04:22 PM

I think anything dark on top and light bottom is good, black/white, Blk/purple, parrot

spence 11-22-2006 04:24 PM

I have my own favorite coller called "SPLENCE".

It's like blurple, but you wouldn't understand :)

-spence

luds 11-22-2006 04:30 PM

Both solid light purple and dark purple needlefish are favorites of mine. I've done well on them and always wonder why I don't see more custom plugs painted that way given the effectiveness of black and purple.

I tend to fish blurple on cloudy nights and around the new moon but have found that a light purple plug is still effective around the half moon. Solid dark and light purple both seems to fish as well as blurple on dark nights.

I also like metal lips and needlefish with a light purple back and baitfish combinations that include a purple hue.

I like purple and it seems to work well :wave:

Canalman 11-22-2006 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 435644)
I have my own favorite coller called "SPLENCE".

It's like blurple, but you wouldn't understand :)

-spence

You're probably right :read:

luds 11-22-2006 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 435644)
I have my own favorite coller called "SPLENCE".

It's like blurple, but you wouldn't understand :)

-spence

metroblurple?

Ake G 11-22-2006 05:25 PM

I pick top colors that I can see easily OTW so I can keep track of how I'm working a plug and where it is.I really don't think the fish care. It's probably just a visibility issue with them, as well!

When I'm painting my own,or buying plugs the only colors (other than all white or all black) I fish are White/pink stripe, Lime green over white, Chartreuse over white, hot pink over white.

Yeah, it's fun to "flex my airbrush skills..." but since I'm not interested in selling plugs....

Canalman 11-22-2006 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luds48 (Post 435657)
metroblurple?

Ok... I'm definatley using that name.

Pete_G 11-22-2006 06:32 PM

Some days color matters a lot, some days it doesn't much at all. I don't know if I've observed much more then that.

My plug bag these days is mostly white, black, and herring (blue/pink/white) all year long. Black or olive for my soft plastics and that's about it.

Of course, for a contrast, you have DZ's much brighter selection of needles. Neon green, hot pink, etc, as well as basic black and white.

I guess from a plug builder's persepective, it would be tough to offer what everyone wants because everyone has their favorites.

Tagger 11-22-2006 07:14 PM

Pearl white/chin splash red... covers dusk/dawn
olive/white
blue/white
blurple
yellow/red
Thats the majority of my fishing with most and largest fish on top three.. I noticed profile to be very important in my area Dave . Most fish on small baits 5 1/4" - 6". except for late fall on 8" needles . Slim plugs too.. Not alot of fish on large plugs . Always wonder whats going on everywhere eles. I know if there were more large pogies in my area, like there once was ,my nike would clean up . looks so good in the water ..

Young Salt 11-22-2006 07:18 PM

i dont care about color too much.......light, dark & contrast

striprman 11-22-2006 07:28 PM

This is what has worked for me in the canal. Swimmers and pencil/polaris poppers and atom plastics
Spring (herring run)
Silver/white belly and black top
Yellow, Yellow red
black, blue/white
Summer
Polaris in yellow, white, blue/white, blue, mackerel
Pencil in mackerel, yellow, white
Fall
white and pearl swimmers, blue/white pencil/polaris, white and yellow polaris and pencils, mackerel.

Along with jigs and eels

baldwin 11-22-2006 07:55 PM

White, black, yellow. That covers it when you really get down to it.

snake slinger 11-22-2006 08:34 PM

black black/purple

ChiefLinesider 11-22-2006 08:35 PM

I am a fan of bright colors & patterns that reflect light. Alot of my plugs are white & black. But then I have a bunch of neons green/bright yellows etc. which I will throw majority of the time. I dont know what it is but I do well with neon green in just about any condition. Of course I have my thoughts on why it works, but they are just thoughts on a endless quest to find a definitive answer to an impossible question. Why does a color work well? Or is it because that person has confidence in that color and uses it most often?

After you have landed a fish on your favorite white needlefish, you might say, wow I love white needles. But what would have happened if you had thrown a black needle in the same spot & worked it the same way. Was it because that fish was there and was hungry, or because you threw the correct color at the correct time?

Of course you cant prove that because you cant put all those variables back together. Of course this is all too technical, but I enjoy thinking about it.

One of my favorite sayings-
If it aint chartreuse, It aint no use.

tattoobob 11-22-2006 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefLinesider (Post 435733)
I am a fan of bright colors & patterns that reflect light. Alot of my plugs are white & black. But then I have a bunch of neons green/bright yellows etc. which I will throw majority of the time. I dont know what it is but I do well with neon green in just about any condition. Of course I have my thoughts on why it works, but they are just thoughts on a endless quest to find a definitive answer to an impossible question. Why does a color work well? Or is it because that person has confidence in that color and uses it most often?

After you have landed a fish on your favorite white needlefish, you might say, wow I love white needles. But what would have happened if you had thrown a black needle in the same spot & worked it the same way. Was it because that fish was there and was hungry, or because you threw the correct color at the correct time?

Of course you cant prove that because you cant put all those variables back together. Of course this is all too technical, but I enjoy thinking about it.

One of my favorite sayings-
If it aint chartreuse, It aint no use.

What happens when you are standing on a rock and try 4 differnt colors and the fish finally takes the last color, do you say it was waiting for a certain color or is it just sick off that plug passing over it on hits just to chase it away

ChiefLinesider 11-22-2006 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tattoobob (Post 435736)
What happens when you are standing on a rock and try 4 differnt colors and the fish finally takes the last color, do you say it was waiting for a certain color or is it just sick off that plug passing over it on hits just to chase it away

One of my favorite parts of the game.
Questioning

Joe 11-22-2006 10:07 PM

Black/Purple
All Black
All White
All Yellow
Yellow/White
Olive/White or Olive/Light Gold
Herring
Pogie
White w/Pink Stripe
Squid (seasonal)
Mullet (seasonal)

This is more geared to what sells - there are regional patterns that I don't sell that do well some places. I've tried a bunch of others - but these patterns far outsell most stuff. In wood, chartreuse does not do that well but in plastic (Super Strike) it does real well as does parrot.

jklett 11-22-2006 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldwin (Post 435717)
White, black, yellow. That covers it when you really get down to it.

:btu:

Redsoxticket 11-23-2006 12:21 AM

Glow in the dark color like green amber would be different. There are suid jigs that are effective so why not a plug.

vanstaal 11-23-2006 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefLinesider (Post 435733)
I am a fan of bright colors & patterns that reflect light. Alot of my plugs are white & black. But then I have a bunch of neons green/bright yellows etc. which I will throw majority of the time. I dont know what it is but I do well with neon green in just about any condition. Of course I have my thoughts on why it works, but they are just thoughts on a endless quest to find a definitive answer to an impossible question. Why does a color work well? Or is it because that person has confidence in that color and uses it most often?

After you have landed a fish on your favorite white needlefish, you might say, wow I love white needles. But what would have happened if you had thrown a black needle in the same spot & worked it the same way. Was it because that fish was there and was hungry, or because you threw the correct color at the correct time?

Of course you cant prove that because you cant put all those variables back together. Of course this is all too technical, but I enjoy thinking about it.

One of my favorite sayings-
If it aint chartreuse, It aint no use.

I often ponder the same thing i got this plastic plug it's yellow and orange paid 7.00 for it I killed them with it !! just a thought.

stiff tip 11-23-2006 06:29 AM

color me
 
for yrs (earlyer)when i fished the canal . it was any color u wanted as long as its yellow... why ??? because of the schools of pogies in the canal... but if we had a rush of macks through the canal i would switch to that color patten 4 as long as that run lasted ..... multi colors on your plgs are mostly eye candy...to please the user.. gibbs made most plgs 2/3 colors w/ some hi lites.. ask me my fav, colors ...... bl/sil/w....y/sil/ w ....gr /sil w/ verm lines....but best plg 4 me in the canal isssss.... the loaded ...cotton cordell... jazzed up n coated n loaded.... w/ lots of shiney chrome......

BigFish 11-23-2006 07:01 AM

White, black, silver, yellow and green! Contrasts and shades of gray!

Tagger 11-23-2006 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe (Post 435752)
Black/Purple
All Black
All White
All Yellow
Yellow/White
Olive/White or Olive/Light Gold
Herring
Pogie
White w/Pink Stripe
Squid (seasonal)
Mullet (seasonal)

This is more geared to what sells - there are regional patterns that I don't sell that do well some places. I've tried a bunch of others - but these patterns far outsell most stuff. In wood, chartreuse does not do that well but in plastic (Super Strike) it does real well as does parrot.

Regional ,,, Reading these boards and talking to different people it seems alot of loyalty to certain plugs/colors is regional . It makes sense different bait in different areas would make this true . Montauk (3 ounce yellow darter),,, Jersey smaller lefty types ,, I don't know why . Most bait shops up north get there pogies from jersey .?? LI NY large wood (7400 surfster size)parrot ? Cape is a hog-pog Maybe a giant 12" jointed CCB type or a bomber.. Canal large yellow or white pencil popper.. North of the canal small stuff seems to be the ticket . 2 ounce max.. Not saying there isn't overlap and you can't catch a fish on another plug.. Maybe its just local loyalty pre-internett before we knew what every one eles was doing .

vineyardblues 11-23-2006 09:20 AM

A must have is bright ORANGE,,,,, :musc:
Simple but catches
VB

Karl F 11-23-2006 09:24 AM

You are correct Tagger.. regional.. Hodge Podge for sure.

If you don't have a black/gold a lot of nights on beaches near me, you might as well go home.. pink too..

Commercial builders, I would think would realize that the K.I.S.S. method would be the way to go, paint wise, and shape wise, would be the way to go in the long run.

Redhead yellow
Redhead white
Blurple
Blue/White
Black
Yellow
Mackeral (or Green/Silver, no pattern)
White
Black/Gold
Chrome/Blue

that list works for me, but could prolly be cut down..
leave the fancy stuff for the one of customs...
K.I.S.S. for the production runs.

Striperhound 11-23-2006 09:25 AM

I do the same mixing colors but there are a few points that can be made.

1st. Crazy color combo's catch fisherman more than they catch fish. Good for selling custom plugs. Although doing color combo's are more fun to paint.

2nd. Every time I pull a plug out of a bag it's white-yellow-black, pogie or herring. 5 simple patterns. I suscribe to the simple notion of K.I.S.S, Keep it simple stupid.

3rd. As your custom plug business grows you will need to keep things simple, more paint and time means more cost.

4th personal preference here but I would rather fish a white plug that catches than a real life replica of a pogie that doesnt.

You guys do have some unique stuff, think innovation and quality while keeping colors simple. :kewl:

bloocrab 11-23-2006 09:42 AM

Mr. Canalman - If I built plugs for myself, I would make them very detailed and purrrty - mainly because I enjoy art, looking at it or creating it. However, if I'm in it for the profit...I would concentrate on a more hardier plug, I would use fewer colors but better hardware and spend that extra time on a better FINISH. What I find with ALOT of hand-crafted plugs are the durability of the finish. I do not like paying $20 for a plug that shows it's guts on the first outing. The extra time put into multiple colors should be spent on more finish coats. - Fancy color patterns are attractive to the eye, the human eye that is. The quality of a well painted plug will definately sell. Unfortunately, a very detailed plug takes more time which will drive the cost up, which will lower the amount of buyers, but a hardy plug...once proven, will be bought over and over.

Do I think a fish can see the scales that some builders paint on their plugs? ....:hs: ....do I think they're cool looking ? :bounce: YES!
Can they see the variation in multiple color patterns?? I doubt it...
Most baitfish have a white-ish bottom-side regardless of what color their top-side is...most baitfish start to get chased or targeted from below...If you can add 2 + 2 and come up with 4, you'll understand that the ACTION along with the predator-fish being present are the KEY.

Why did yellow work when white didn't? Did you go back to white after catching with yellow? Did you fish it with as much confidence? Sure, I think there's a difference between very dark colors versus very light colors...but colors inbetween appeal more to my eyes than the fishs'...
Just my opinion


**OOPS, walked away without hitting the "reply" button, looks like some others feel like I do - and replied first, sorry for the repetiveness

Swimmer 11-23-2006 09:44 AM

Hey Luds
 
I like that metroblurple crack, well said.

tlapinski 11-23-2006 10:01 AM

Solid dark color, solid light color, and a contrast of dark/light. For a while I was too caught up in fancy colors. Now I stick to the basic pattern I just noted. I really think this will cover you on 95% of the scenarios you will run into. Are there times when one color seems to blow away others? Yes, but it is really hard to tell if it is something the user is doing different or if it is actually the color difference. We all have had experiences where we have stood next to guy using the exact same plug but doubles our results. Worry more about presenting plugs properly and at the right time and color will fall a distant 3rd place, IMO. Of course, your results may vary!


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