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Tagger

09-11-2007 05:32 PM

Hydro Orientated,,,how to...

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Turn your blank,,, must be round,, even the little spur center block ...

Tagger

09-11-2007 05:32 PM

ooops ... dinner ,,, be back maybe .. :wiggle:

Jigman

09-11-2007 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tagger (Post 524158)

Turn your blank,,, must be round,, even the little spur center block ...

Either that or cut the ends off just leaving the plug blank and no extra :faga:

Jigman

eastendlu

09-11-2007 05:41 PM

This must be the dehydro method.:gu:

Tagger

09-11-2007 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigman (Post 524161)

Either that or cut the ends off just leaving the plug blank and no extra :faga:

Jigman

Back ... yea you can do that ..but sometimes I get a real curvy plug close and go back on the lathe with it ..

Tagger

09-11-2007 05:54 PM

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Dunk it ,, mark it ,spin it .. double check ..

Tagger

09-11-2007 05:59 PM

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off to the band saw ... Made a V-block jig to cut yous guys plugs in half to see how you weight them ... comes in handy cutting lip slot too..Cut slot with top of plug you marked at 90 degrees .. I eye it ....

PNG	09-11-2007 06:00 PM

Thanks Eddy.

You ever try w/wout end blocks to see if there's a diff?

Tagger

09-11-2007 06:02 PM

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Off to the drill press ,,but ,, before you do you gotta make a jig like this .. I always just whip one up fast planning to make a better one later , but I never do .. My jigs are not Lu quality ..not even close

Tagger

09-11-2007 06:04 PM

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Now you can drill holes 90 degrees to lip slot ..

Tagger

09-11-2007 06:06 PM

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Thats it ... easy ... all com guys be doing this now ..

Tagger

09-11-2007 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PNG (Post 524181)

Thanks Eddy.

You ever try w/wout end blocks to see if there's a diff?

Yes I do all the time ... just showing you can leave it on ...an odd shape plug is rocky on the v block for lip slot .... so I might just cut it a cylinder at largest dim. ,, orientate and put it back on the lathe to finish .. just showing all has to be round .. any square and it won't work ... know yous knew that .. ofcourse its alot easier with a plug without a lip slot .. still only 2 jiggs .. I don't know how to do this with handcarves .. don't think its possible .

eastendlu

09-11-2007 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tagger (Post 524184)

My jigs are not Lu quality

Its ok Eddy if the jig works its good enough plus my plugs are not Tagger quality ..not even close but i'm getting closer maybe by 2017.

justplugit

09-11-2007 06:35 PM

Good stuff Eddie, Thanks. :btu:

I always cut the square ends off before dunking,
thinking they would interfere with a true orientation. :smash:

gldnbear93

09-12-2007 07:10 AM

Tagger,
I have not hydro-oriented a plug yet. I have relied on the belly weight and/or hooks to provide the ballast. Curious as to how subtle or vibrant is the general effect of orienting the body. I realize it will vary from one body to the next, since wood is not uniform in density (which I suppose is a good reason for hydro-orientation). Does the body just flip over to the "right" oreintation or is is a slower roll?

Also, it looks like you shaved the head on that plug after orienting it. Does that affect the natural orientation? Some of the lipless swimmers have a lot of wood cut/shaved off the face. I think this would have some impact on how it sits naturally.

I am going to work on some lipless swimmers this off season. I tracked down a couple of your predators and some orginal magna strikes and I have a nike style proto that I did, So I'm going to be playing around some.

ProfessorM

09-12-2007 08:03 AM

Thanks ED as usual someone is thinking here. I just last week hydro'ed about 20 goo goo's as I always do since you posted this finding a year or so ago. Pretty important step in a large unweighted plug I think so I do it to all of em.

Slipknot

09-12-2007 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gldnbear93 (Post 524273)

The bigger the plug, the more important it is to hydro-orient.
And if there are any knots at all, or sap on one side of the wood, the density can vary enough for a swimmer to sit totally wrong in the water and may roll right over. I had that happen to a pikie, so those bodies I just made into Patriot pikies.

nice job tagger, thanks for posting it.

Tagger

09-12-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gldnbear93 (Post 524273)

Tagger,
I have not hydro-oriented a plug yet. I have relied on the belly weight and/or hooks to provide the ballast.
If your adding alot of lead I don't think it matters in most pieces,,I do it out of habbit now ,,although I been liking unweighted plugs ..Float a few you tell me ..
Curious as to how subtle or vibrant is the general effect of orienting the body. I realize it will vary from one body to the next, since wood is not uniform in density (which I suppose is a good reason for hydro-orientation). Does the body just flip over to the "right" oreintation or is is a slower roll?
Some snap right around some slow roll ... every single blank is diffrent out of the same stick ..
Also, it looks like you shaved the head on that plug after orienting it. Does that affect the natural orientation? Some of the lipless swimmers have a lot of wood cut/shaved off the face. I think this would have some impact on how it sits naturally.
Floyd Roman Nike is tail weighted not belly weighted .. Big plug ... use 2" stock ... head is shaved .. Think this makes a huge difference on that plug ..
I am going to work on some lipless swimmers this off season. I tracked down a couple of your predators and some orginal magna strikes and I have a nike style proto that I did, So I'm going to be playing around some.

Good luck all excellent questions .

Backbeach Jake

09-12-2007 06:14 PM

Argument killer

Tagger once quipped that the way wood floats is a force of nature. I had no more to say on the subject. Work with the wood, not against. The wood knows what it's doing. The plugs that I really need to succeed are Hydro-Oriented. Swimmers mostly altho I'll probably go to all my plugs because I really hate to see a pencil coming in on it's side. Nice tutorial, Tagger.

stripercrazy

09-12-2007 09:24 PM

wow great post

the best post I've read in a while...the jig to drill the hook holes in the medal lip plugs...its so simple its excellent:claps:

Jigman

09-17-2007 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 524442)

The bigger the plug, the more important it is to hydro-orient...

As a side note to this, I did up some 9 inch jointed pikies this weekend. Cut before I hydro oriented. The two halfs oriented slightly different. Yep, there is that much difference within one section of wood.

Jigman

justplugit

09-17-2007 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl F (Post 525394)

so it would follow that any cutting or drilling or shaping (like a slope face, or pikie face, or rounding of the nose) would also alter the orientation... :huh:

Good point Karl, and the problem is once you shape the face your already commited to lip placement. :(

Jigman

09-17-2007 05:54 PM

Karl, that would make sense. However, I have floated many plugs in sealer after they've been drilled/angled/shaped. They still float right. Don't know? On plugs, like pencils, that I center drill and tail weight, I go ahead and drill the thru-hole and tail weight hole prior to hydro.

Jigman

Slipknot

09-17-2007 08:22 PM

the thru drilling for the wire could possibly change things in thin plugs like a needle if the hole strays offcourse, I know from experience.

Tagger

09-17-2007 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl F (Post 525394)

so it would follow that any cutting or drilling or shaping (like a slope face, or pikie face, or rounding of the nose) would also alter the orientation... :huh:

alter ? no ... you've already found the heavy side and put heavy side down ... any removal of stock(pikie head) on top just makes that side lighter wich, it already is any way ... still floats that side up .

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