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Mr. Sandman 01-27-2009 01:06 PM

ball bit for poppers
 
What kind of ball bit do you use to make these? Never did this before and was wondering what the right tool and process is.
thanks

Mr. Krinkle 01-27-2009 01:28 PM

some use ball rasps. I use a Frued Round Nose router bit...expensive though. I haven't been able to find a big ball rasp for big poppers.

go4broke44 01-27-2009 01:32 PM

look for kutzall sphere burr

they're on ebay from time to time, maybe amazon too. Thats what i use, there are many different methods though. Someone else ground down a spade bit to cut them, or like Krinkle you can use a cove router bit with the guide bearing removed.

Mr. Krinkle 01-27-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by go4broke44 (Post 659149)
look for kutzall sphere burr

they're on ebay from time to time, maybe amazon too. Thats what i use, there are many different methods though. Someone else ground down a spade bit to cut them, or like Krinkle you can use a cove router bit with the guide bearing removed.

It's actually not a cove bit. It's a round nose bit. here's a website to look at.

http://www.freudtools.com/p-180-round-nose-bits.aspx

I haven't heard of the kutzall burr...i'll have to check it out.

go4broke44 01-27-2009 04:08 PM

do you have a fence or something set up so that bit doesn't wander? I would think the chance of it walking off the end of the lure, and into your hand would be high!:err:

The Dad Fisherman 01-27-2009 04:13 PM

Nothing like looking down and seeing Fresh Knuckle Meat all over the tool....

I use one of Salty's balls:jump1: to cup my Popper Mouths......works Great

Pete F. 01-27-2009 05:10 PM

I use the reground spade and would even with a ball bit. It is a way better cutting edge that won't load up like a ball bit, regrind the point so it does'nt cut and will follow the thru hole.

Mr. Krinkle 01-27-2009 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by go4broke44 (Post 659192)
do you have a fence or something set up so that bit doesn't wander? I would think the chance of it walking off the end of the lure, and into your hand would be high!:err:

I start it with a same size forstner bit so it doesn't wander. No knuckle meat....YET:hang:

Finatic 01-27-2009 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go4broke44 (Post 659192)
do you have a fence or something set up so that bit doesn't wander? I would think the chance of it walking off the end of the lure, and into your hand would be high!:err:

If you use the router bit with the bearing on the end, take the allen screw and bearing off. The stub will center the bit in the nose wire hole. Just gotta be careful no matter what tool is spinning.

smac 01-27-2009 10:00 PM

Jim, I use a spherical burr from Foredom. I go the coarse ball and let me tell this thing is no joke. I hold the popper perpendicular to the ball while it in the drill press. Very unforgiving. If your not careful, your popper face will be 2" deep.

Use a 1/2 drill bit first then use the burr to finsh.

go4broke44 01-28-2009 09:12 AM

I have the green one pictured here, kutzall extreme 1"

No problems with sawdust loading up the ball at all, maybe because the green is the most coarse one. I use the same method as smac, except I don't start the hole at all, just go right to it.

http://www.warrencutlery.com/mcart/i...phere-2003.jpg

Bernzy 01-28-2009 09:57 AM

http://easyburs.com/

Great product......Fair pricing.

Bernzy

The Dad Fisherman 01-28-2009 10:17 AM

Those are very similar to what I use....

splinters 01-29-2009 02:39 PM

i use the router bits minus the guide bearing method. just drill a pilot hole 1st that is big enough or they can walk a bit. then i just sand a lot. its a bit crude but does work. and yes i have had the bits bite into my hand so put the plug in a vise or something.

Rockfish9 01-30-2009 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by go4broke44 (Post 659413)
I have the green one pictured here, kutzall extreme 1"

No problems with sawdust loading up the ball at all, maybe because the green is the most coarse one. I use the same method as smac, except I don't start the hole at all, just go right to it.

http://www.warrencutlery.com/mcart/i...phere-2003.jpg

Thats exactly what I use and the way I use it, jut got for it, no pre cupping.... quick and efficient...

Mr. Sandman 01-30-2009 10:14 AM

I would think it would wander...do you have a vise on your drill press?

Rockfish9 01-30-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman (Post 660040)
I would think it would wander...do you have a vise on your drill press?


The green is so aggressive that it only takes a light touch to get it to work, hardly any pressure is needed to to get the job done...

ProfessorM 01-30-2009 01:18 PM

and where do you purchase such a tool Joe? I need one. Thanks

PNG 01-30-2009 03:38 PM

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=943


http://www.olivercorp.com/catalog/kz1.pdf

Awesome burrs

ProfessorM 01-30-2009 06:21 PM

i just ordered one on e bay for 12 bucks including shipping. 1 inch size. Kutzall

Charleston 01-31-2009 09:18 AM

What do you finish with? The silver Kutzall I have looks like I cupped the plug with a chainsaw.:wavey:

PNG 01-31-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Charleston (Post 660412)
What do you finish with? The silver Kutzall I have looks like I cupped the plug with a chainsaw.:wavey:

A light touch using the gold or you could again with (silver) a light touch rotate the plug on the burr.
If you notice a high cutter thats putting in a line file the offending "burr" down a little. Some of these burrs need tuning but well worth the small effort.


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