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Cool Beans 10-22-2009 06:15 AM

Got OnStar?
 
How much control does Obama Motors have over your car... hmmmm.. tracking (knew that), ability to turn on your flashers (didn't know that) and ability to shut off your engine on command (didn't know that either). Damn if they declared an "emergency" they would effectively be able to "ground" all GM vehicles, even if you don't subscribe they can "activate" the service at "no charge' to prevent you using your car. Think about it, you wanna stop widespread panic with everyone trying to drive out of town, and one switch and you eliminate a very good percentage of the traffic. or prevent them from leaving....
I realize this was designed to help recover stolen vehicles, but if used wrong...... ouch

YouTube - "Cop Cam" - OnStar Commercial

Raven 10-22-2009 07:09 AM

how they gonna stop my horse and buggy heh heh heh :grins:

Nebe 10-22-2009 08:28 AM

Sad
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

RIROCKHOUND 10-22-2009 08:39 AM

Thats the connection your mind makes between GM's theft protection? seriously? what a paranoid world you live in CB

Swimmer 10-22-2009 09:15 AM

They actually responded to a help call from a police department the other day and had On-Star disable the accelerator in a vehicle that was leading them on a chase.

RIJIMMY 10-22-2009 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 719025)
Thats the connection your mind makes between GM's theft protection? seriously? what a paranoid world you live in CB

seriously! I mean it doenst matter anyway since Bush and the patriot act took away all your freedoms.

talk about paranoia!

RIROCKHOUND 10-22-2009 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 719030)
seriously! I mean it doenst matter anyway since Bush and the patriot act took away all your freedoms.

talk about paranoia!

Big difference from the ability to tap anyone's phone, and the fact that they will disable vehicles en masse.

Besides, I've never been a big anti-rah rah patriot guy....

JohnnyD 10-22-2009 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 719005)
How much control does Obama Motors have over your car... hmmmm.. tracking (knew that), ability to turn on your flashers (didn't know that) and ability to shut off your engine on command (didn't know that either). Damn if they declared an "emergency" they would effectively be able to "ground" all GM vehicles, even if you don't subscribe they can "activate" the service at "no charge' to prevent you using your car. Think about it, you wanna stop widespread panic with everyone trying to drive out of town, and one switch and you eliminate a very good percentage of the traffic. or prevent them from leaving....
I realize this was designed to help recover stolen vehicles, but if used wrong...... ouch

YouTube - "Cop Cam" - OnStar Commercial

:smash::smash:

Did you know that 9/11 was an inside job?

Joe 10-22-2009 10:12 AM

If the police want you to stop and you don't, this makes better sense than a high speed chase or pinning the vehicle against the guard rail.

fishbones 10-22-2009 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe (Post 719037)
If the police want you to stop and you don't, this makes better sense than a high speed chase or pinning the vehicle against the guard rail.

I think police cars should be equipped with lasers and cannons like in video games. That would be much more exciting than disabling a car with OnStar.

Cool Beans 10-22-2009 04:36 PM

So none of you think this is an issue? What about just a simple programming error on OnStar's part that shuts your car off on the newport bridge? Disabled is disabled. I have onstar on the wifes van and I don't remember the part about them actually having control of the vehicle in the contract. It says they could track it and find it within 3 days if it was ever stolen.

It's a good function as long as it is used for the intended purpose.
It is a great tool for law enforcement, but has capability for much more.
I just don't like the fact that something that I bought and paid for can be disabled via satellite for any reason.

Cool Beans 10-22-2009 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 719025)
Thats the connection your mind makes between GM's theft protection? seriously? what a paranoid world you live in CB

I don't see it as paranoia, but as yet another "freedom" that we as Americans have given away, for the greater good of feeling safe. So what would you say to having the same controls on your computer, your rifle, or even your fishing rod (gets stolen they disable the reel). Every time we give someone else control or the ability to control, we give up more and more of freedom... don't like this at all.....

PRBuzz 10-22-2009 04:47 PM

For those with OnStar, don't you get the "monthly maintenance checkups" which tell you about the complete status of your vehicle: mileage, engine status, oil level, transmission, etc. Did you know they offered free unlock the door service?
GM's OnStar is just like from the Outer Limits: "we control the horizontal....we control the vertical....": we control your GM vehicle.......we can summon help when airbags deploy....we can lock and unlock your doors.....we can find your vehicle anywhere.....we can control the engine......our control is omnipotent as we don't even need your permission.

From an OnStar Subscriber, I pay for these services monthly.

RIROCKHOUND 10-22-2009 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 719087)
I don't see it as paranoia, but as yet another "freedom" that we as Americans have given away, for the greater good of feeling safe. So what would you say to having the same controls on your computer, your rifle, or even your fishing rod (gets stolen they disable the reel). Every time we give someone else control or the ability to control, we give up more and more of freedom... don't like this at all.....

How is it a freedom?
Can't you cancel OnStar? it is a commercial service. NOT A MANDATE...
give me a %$%$%$%$ing break.

it is designed and used as a SECURITY measure... uh oh, we have ADT home security, what if they decide to lock me out of my house...

Cool Beans 10-22-2009 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 719142)
How is it a freedom?
Can't you cancel OnStar? it is a commercial service. NOT A MANDATE...
give me a %$%$%$%$ing break.

it is designed and used as a SECURITY measure... uh oh, we have ADT home security, what if they decide to lock me out of my house...

sure you can cancel the service provided to you, but that does not remove control of the vehicle... its pretty easy to flip the switch, just like when you sent them a check to start it... it is controlled on their end, you cannot disable the feature without removing it from your car. I don't know just seems like it has a possibility to be used for "the greater good" in a government decided "emergency" if the need arose. I dought they ever will, but its the fact they could if they wanted to that bugs me.

JohnnyD 10-22-2009 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 719146)
sure you can cancel the service provided to you, but that does not remove control of the vehicle... its pretty easy to flip the switch, just like when you sent them a check to start it... it is controlled on their end, you cannot disable the feature without removing it from your car. I don't know just seems like it has a possibility to be used for "the greater good" in a government decided "emergency" if the need arose. I dought they ever will, but its the fact they could if they wanted to that bugs me.

It's quite easy to remove. You don't like it, don't use it. You know that officials have the capability of tracking your every moment based on triangulating your cell phone position and not just when you're using it? That was initiated years ago.

I guess the Big Brother thing started a while ago.

If your car is more than a few years old, it won't have the accelerator disabling feature. But, if you're really paranoid (which it's quite obvious you are or just fishing for something to piss and moan about with an attempt of putting it on the administration) you can remove it quite easily.
CTS-CTS-V FAQ: How do I disable Onstar?

Let's not forget the administration that set the precedent for your "government decided 'emergencies'".

buckman 10-23-2009 05:39 AM

It is a little creepy that someone sitting on a computor controls your car.

PRBuzz 10-23-2009 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 719163)
It is a little creepy that someone sitting on a computer controls your car.

Which is more creepy:

someone sitting at a computer with the ability to control your car

OR

someone sitting at a computer controlling a flying drone loaded with bombs (half a world away)

If the technology exists, man will use it for both good and bad........any way to make a $.

(please I am not trying define what is good or bad by these examples)

scottw 10-23-2009 06:02 AM

think of all of the fun a hacker or disgruntled employee might have....

JohnnyD 10-23-2009 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 719171)
think of all of the fun a hacker or disgruntled employee might have....

Think about all the fun of speculating something that has never happened.

likwid 10-23-2009 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 719163)
It is a little creepy that someone sitting on a computor controls your car.

You should be more creeped out by the fact that a well motivated hacker can access your bank account online and take all your money.

The Dad Fisherman 10-23-2009 07:43 AM

Everybody is always worried about "Big Brother" watching...yet they have no problem putting down there life story on MySpace and Facebook, complete with pictures, for the world to see.

and if that wasn't enough now they are tweeting there every movement on Twitter.

"Going to take Dump"
"Sitting on Toilet"
"Grunting...shouldn't have had extra cheese last night LOL"
"Wiping"
"Are those carrots? WTF"
"Holy Crap....To much TP....Something for the cleaners to clean up LOL"
"Outta Here CU Lata"

and so on.......

Offshore24 10-23-2009 09:26 AM

^^^ I don't like that visual.

buckman 10-23-2009 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by likwid (Post 719183)
You should be more creeped out by the fact that a well motivated hacker can access your bank account online and take all your money.

I don't keep my money in banks:uhuh:

scottw 10-23-2009 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 719186)
Everybody is always worried about "Big Brother" watching...yet they have no problem putting down there life story on MySpace and Facebook, complete with pictures, for the world to see.

and if that wasn't enough now they are tweeting there every movement on Twitter.

"Going to take Dump"
"Sitting on Toilet"
"Grunting...shouldn't have had extra cheese last night LOL"
"Wiping"
"Are those carrots? WTF"
"Holy Crap....To much TP....Something for the cleaners to clean up LOL"
"Outta Here CU Lata"

and so on.......

Shakesperian...:rotf2:

TheSpecialist 10-24-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRBuzz (Post 719091)
For those with OnStar, don't you get the "monthly maintenance checkups" which tell you about the complete status of your vehicle: mileage, engine status, oil level, transmission, etc. Did you know they offered free unlock the door service?
GM's OnStar is just like from the Outer Limits: "we control the horizontal....we control the vertical....": we control your GM vehicle.......we can summon help when airbags deploy....we can lock and unlock your doors.....we can find your vehicle anywhere.....we can control the engine......our control is omnipotent as we don't even need your permission.

From an OnStar Subscriber, I pay for these services monthly.


SKYNET :uhuh:


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