Interesting read for those who lean right
 

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Thanks. Never heard of the Cloward-Pliven strategy before. Very interesting. A lot of the other stuff has been known in bits and pieces, but to put it all together, to connect the dots . . . it's very convincing. I think this should be an interesting read for those who lean left, but no matter how well it is put together, I doubt if they'll accept it. I suspect they will, if they read it and all the other links included with it, they will find a way to briefly dismiss it and move on with no further discussion--the twisting slowly in the wind strategy.

I've seen comparable compilations of crap about the Right. People that take these things as unquestionable fact need to have their head checked - just look at the source.

I agree that a source, in and of itself, can cast suspicion on the content, but the content should still be analyzed. I never heard, or don't remember hearing of the Cloward-Piven strategey. It sounded conspiratorial, so I googled it, and sure enough, several sources described it. Even though you may dispute the conclusions, I didn't see anything in Gary's linked article that was made up. The "facts" are pretty much verifiable. It's up to you whether you agree with the conclusions. Don't you think that a back-and-forth discussion of what's actually in the article would be more appropriate than dismissing it out-of-hand? I don't, wholeheartedly, agree that the extreme liberals want to simply destroy America, but I do think they are much more comfortable with socialism than with capitalism. And their political strategies, to me, point that way. It doesn't make sense, to me, to constantly try to solve our fiscal insolvency by getting massively deeper into debt. It doesn't make sense to promise to fix the insolvency of social security "very soon", but instead propose a massively expensive health care plan. It doesn't make sense to sign on to a global climate treaty that will cost many billions of wealth transfer to other countries when we don't have enough to solve our own problems. The extreme leftist position has consistently been to heap massive spending on top of massive debt--which fits nicely with the Cloward-Piven strategy.